Could the USA/Allies Have Saved East Germany from Communism?



  • Other than Kicking Russian Communism’s (T_6, 🙂 )Booty!
    Come on, let’s think. - Xi

    “(Chinese) Communism is not love. Communism is a hammer
    which we use to crush the enemy.” - Mao Zedong
    –----------------------------------------------------------------
    “Communism is a proposition to structure the world more
    reasonably, a proposition for changing the world. As such,
    we have to analyze it and, if we deem it reasonable, act upon it.”

    • Friedrich Dürrenmatt, Swiss essayist.

    "Communism has never come to power in a country
    that was not disrupted by war or corruption, or both.

    • John F. Kennedy, Speech, July 3, 1963, to NATO.

    “The clock of communism (in Russia) has stopped striking.
    But its concrete building has not yet come crashing down.
    For that reason, instead of freeing ourselves, we must
    try to save ourselves from being crushed by its rubble.”

    • Alexander Solzhenitsyn, Russian novelist.
      “How We Must Rebuild Russia,” opening sentence of essay,
      published in Soviet Union’s biggest-selling daily newspaper,
      Komosomolskaya Pravda (Sept. 18, 1990).

    “A specter is haunting Europe—the specter of communism.”

    • Karl Marx, German political theorist, social philosopher,
      and Friedrich Engels, German political theorist, social philosopher.
      In Karl Marx: Selected Works, vol. 1 (1942).
      The Communist Manifesto (1848). Opening sentence.

    “Russian Communism is the illegitimate
    child of Karl Marx and Catherine the Great.”

    • Clement Attlee, British Prime Minister. Speech, April 11, 1956.

    “Those who wait for that must wait
    until a shrimp learns to whistle.”
    Referring to the possibility of the
    Soviet Union rejecting communism.

    • Nikita Khrushchev, Soviet premier. speech,
      9/17/1955, Moscow. New York Times (9/18/1955).

    “It is bad luck for world history that of
    all people the Russians adopted Communism,
    because they are totally unfit for it.”

    • Friedrich Dürrenmatt, Swiss essayist.
      “The Marriage of Mr. Mississippi”, pt. I (1952).

    “In the end we beat them with Levi 501 jeans. Seventy-two years
    of Communist indoctrination and propaganda was drowned out by a
    three-ounce Sony Walkman. A huge totalitarian system…has been
    brought to its knees because nobody wants to wear Bulgarian
    shoes…Now they’re lunch, and we’re number one on the planet.”

    • P.J. O’Rourke, journalist. Repr. In Give War a Chance (1992).

    “One question that people always ask at home is never asked here:
    ‘What happened to Communism in Russia?’ Everybody yawns when a
    visitor brings it up, because the answer is so obvious to every
    Russian. The answer is that there never was Communism in Russia;
    there were only communists.” - Arthur Koestler,
    Hungarian-born British author. “The Shadow of a Tree”,
    pt. 2, The Trail of the Dinosaur (1953).

    “For us in Russia, communism is a dead dog, while, for
    many people in the West, it is still a living lion.”

    • Alexander Solzhenitsyn, Russian novelist. Radio broadcast,
      BBC Russian service. Listener (London, Feb. 15, 1979).

    “Our fear that Communism might some day take over most of the
    world blinds us to the fact that anti-communism already has.”

    • Anonymous U.S. Analyst In 1967.
      Quoted in “The Uses of Anticommunism,” vol. 21,
      published in The Socialist Register (1985).
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      I think that cover the best quotes I can find without writing a book. - Xi


  • Russia did a lot during WWII. They took more and dished out more than we did. Sure, they were a totalitarian communism, but they fought the war too. Russia felt East Germany was something they had won. And to tell you the truth, they earned it. The resulting country however, really wasn’t a nice place to live, and thats completely the Soviets fault.

    Too bad, Germany could of recovered much easier if we had kept it set up as a United country.



  • @Yanny:

    Russia did a lot during WWII. They took more and dished out more than we did. Sure, they were a totalitarian communism, but they fought the war too. Russia felt East Germany was something they had won. And to tell you the truth, they earned it. The resulting country however, really wasn’t a nice place to live, and thats completely the Soviets fault.

    Too bad, Germany could of recovered much easier if we had kept it set up as a United country.

    A classic example of Communism VS capitalism.



  • Communism VS capitalism

    More like a distorted example. Tell me why you believe this.



  • Agreed with Yanny. Russian troops wanted Berlin (and Hitler) real bad after the suffering of their people by the Nazi’s. I really don’t think the Allies could have excluded a Russian occupied zone on that point alone…



  • @TG:

    Communism VS capitalism

    More like a distorted example. Tell me why you believe this.

    I can’t think of a better example.
    Since WW2, two superpowers emerged, each with its own economic platforms.
    After 40 years (up unitl 1990ish) which country was left standing and prospering?

    The truth is, after the “wall” came down, the Soviet occupied counties behind the “curtain” were no better of economically than they were pre WW2.
    That’s pretty telling when it is compared to capitalistic nations.

    Communism inhibits motivaton and the need for someone to “do their best”.
    A complete lack of innovation.
    Which effects the progress of mankind.



  • Since WW2, two superpowers emerged, each with its own economic platforms

    Tell me how the mircoeconomics of the Soviet Union actually functioned.

    Communism inhibits motivaton and the need for someone to “do their best”.
    A complete lack of innovation.
    Which effects the progress of mankind.

    Uh no, communism calls for people to do their best according to their ability. The motivation comes for doing things in their own right and to build a better future.



  • @TG:

    Since WW2, two superpowers emerged, each with its own economic platforms

    Tell me how the mircoeconomics of the Soviet Union actually functioned.

    Communism inhibits motivaton and the need for someone to “do their best”.
    A complete lack of innovation.
    Which effects the progress of mankind.

    Uh no, communism calls for people to do their best according to their ability. The motivation comes for doing things in their own right and to build a better future.

    Don’t know about mircoeconomics. Sorry.

    Communism is a good in theory. However, its not realistic when you factor the human condition into it.

    Capitalism is more sound.
    Compare China to Japan.
    Compare China to Hong Kong.

    The invisible hand will take care of everything. 😉



  • Compare China to Japan.

    Uh… It seems that China seems to experience more economic growth than Japan right now.



  • China is experiencing more economic growth because it has become a combination of Communism and Capitalism. Going to be a great country once they get their human rights issues worked out.

    Question, I don’t know the answer. Is China’s Government Elected?



  • Question, I don’t know the answer. Is China’s Government Elected?

    Yes, most of the positions in the government are based on election, though often these elections are rigged. There hasn’t been once been a successful and smooth transfer of power (usually ending in bloody coups) since it went communist

    China is experiencing more economic growth because it has become a combination of Communism and Capitalism.

    I wouldn’t exactly call it communist. More like socialist.


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