How do you plan to do this, Bunnies?
With teh jenforces! (hums A-Team theme)
Yes, you do seem to be using imaginary units a lot.
Pretending you have all your fighters and bombers in range of SZ 14, why should Germany care? They can just unify their fleet in SZ 7 and take England instead. If you leave your fighters to defend the homeland, then the Germans can kill the SZ 15 fleet.
Why pretend? India fighter plus Anglo-Egypt fighter at sea zone north of Anglo-Egypt, two other UK fighters in Russia, UK bomber at Russia. UK fighters at Russia have range to south of Western Europe with the UK carrier; the UK carrier fighters can hit waters south of S. Europe and land in Africa.
All of this is, of course, DISCRETIONARY - the UK can wait to see Germany’s turn. UK does not HAVE to do this; UK can opt instead to unite the UK fleet against Japan. And all that movement mentions NO buy by UK1; UK can easily buy 5 inf 3 tank or some such to make a German capture of London impossible. (Although UK is probably better served by buying other units.)
Exactly my point. ENGLAND SHOULD DO SOMETHING ELSE, like what you just outlined above. In which case, you have given Germany the least of all her great options (namely to take Egypt at almost no cost, instead of a huge cost resulting in the possible loss of Africa forever.)
But yes, you CAN for go the attack on SZ 5, put your fighters and bombers in Moscow, move your fleet into SZ 15, still get cut off with Germans in Egypt and have the German fleet sitting united in SZ 7. As I said, just because England does something on UK 1 does NOT MEAN GERMANY HAS TO DO SOMETHING ON GERMANY 2. You cannot wait and see what Germany will do on Germany 2 to make England 1’s combat and non-combat moves. Not unless you are playing with the Hippity Hoppity Rules set.
There’s nowhere else for the German fleet to go on G2 except to the waters south of Western Europe, and even then the 4 fighters of the UK air (and of course the navy and the bomber) will be in range if UK buys a carrier on UK2 to land the fighters that start in the sea zone north of Anglo-Egypt.
Incorrect. From SZ 13 Germany can easily go to SZ 7, 8, 11, 12, 17 or 18. All of which are out of range of the fighters and bomber in Russia. SZ 7 is probably the best place if England’s all set up. Now you are trapped in the med with your only escape coming right into Germany’s united fleet.
And, if we pretend you were foolish enough to try a fleet unification in SZ 12 to block the Germans in, the Luftwaffe + 1 Submarine can sink it all with the loss of 1 submarine, 3 fighters (4 fighters if she lost her submarine in SZ 13 on G1) allowing the unification to happen anyway. Honestly, that’s pretty good option to me, I have eliminated the British and American threat and can recover the extra fighters over the next couple of rounds. (2 fighters, 2 bombers is plenty for use in trading with Russia in most cases. Since England and America are no longer a threat, I no longer need 5 fighters, 2 bombers until they become a threat, and by the time that happens, I’ll have 5 fighters, 2 bombers again.)
If Germany buys mass navy on G2, UK should be just as happy considering the Russians have a 10-13 less ground units to worry about.
Correct, you WOULD have to move the UK fighters to Russia on UK1, but the ONLY reason for UK NOT to do so is even BETTER German targets in the water - in which case UK can always opt instead of sending the UK Indian fleet north of Anglo-Egypt to put up a defense of India with the extra infantry, tank, and fighter spared from Anglo-Egypt and possibly contest Japanese control of the west Pacific.
Again, that’s my entire point! England SHOULD NOT MOVE INTO SZ 15 on UK 1. It’s a trap they cannot possibly win. You go in there and you’ve handed Germany the advantage for the next 4-6 rounds as best I can see it. Yes, Russia’s pushed ahead into Europe a little farther then normal (though to be honest, when I have Russia I almost always have Balkans, Belorussia and Karelia as dead zones with a large contingent in Ukraine, so it’s not like less Germans are going to be allowing me in farther then I normally am anyway); but now Germany can leave W. Europe empty and focus everything on Russia. So instead of locking up 25 units in W. Europe defense, you have nothing there and +25 units pushing Russia back. That’s a HUGE swing.
So what we have is 5 possible options for Germany on G2:
1) England put her fighters in Russia and moved her fleet into SZ 15.
2) England and America joined forces in SZ 8. In which case, you better have built some destroyers or something to keep the 5 Fighters, 2 Bombers from sinking the combined allied fleets in SZ 8 and to do that, you would have negated purchases for the protection of England opening up a Sea Lion attempt.
If 5 fighters 2 bombers is all that is in range of SZ 8 and London is threatened, the London invasion threat is 5 inf 1 bomber 1 inf 1 tank unless you’re proposing a G1 Med fleet move to south of Western Europe which is SUCH a HUGE change that you HAVE to mention it. Anyways, US can add 2 inf 1 art 1 tank 1 fighter 1 bomber and UK can add 1 tank - this is without buying anything - for defense of 1 AA gun 4 inf 2 art 2 tank 1 fighter 1 bomber. UK can EASILY afford a carrier and four infantry to lock up London, and assuming the Med fleet is out of range, that’s a London defense force of 1 AA gun 8 inf 2 art 2 tank 1 bomber and a SZ8 fleet of 4 transport 1 sub 1 destroyer 1 carrier 2 fighter 1 battleship. True, the Germans can kill a lot of that, but it is probable that any sort of attack on that fleet will be very expensive for Germany (again, unless Germany moved its Med fleet WEST, which is such a HUGE difference that you have to mention it)
Now you are reacting, not acting. Yes, you CAN stop Sea Lion by massing EVERY LAST PIECE OF EQUIPMENT POSSIBLE IN ENGLAND. And of course, now that the British fighters are NOT IN RUSSIA LIKE YOU ORIGINALLY ARGUED, now Germany can easily sink the Transport, 2 Fighters, Carrier and 2 Destroyers in SZ 15 because there is NO THREAT AT ALL to SZ 14 from England.
Again, my point is made. You are allowing Germany to be very flexible with her units and you are NOT stopping any of her plans. However, she has forced you to change your plans twice now. And no matter what set you chose, you end up losing more then she does (not to mention she’s almost losing nothing in either engagement but you are losing a lot in both.)
3) England and America joined forces in SZ 12 allowing the Germans to hit you with Submarine, 5 Fighters, 2 Bombers sinking yout fleet and unifying destroyer, 2 submarines, 2 transports and a battleship in SZ 7.
Unification in SZ 12 is just silly with a German Med fleet sitting at S. Europe or south of W. Europe. But look, you’re proposing German Med fleet south of W. Europe if you’re proposing German fleet unification in SZ 7 west of Western Europe (would you PLEASE refer to sea zones with geographical reference instead of these arcane numbers?) Anyways in this case UK/US can still send fleet to E. Canada and northwest of UK and build UK ground to prevent German invasion of London, and as you make no mention of a Baltic fleet buy, UK could attack the Baltic fleet (and of course keep the UK Indian fleet out of the Med.
Thanks for finally realizing that. I was beginning to think you’d never realize that the German fleet was NOT in SZ 14 that I was using it to sink your battleship without loss (in most cases anyway, there’s the off chance you’ll sink a submarine, but it’s not very high.)
So yes, the unification in SZ 12 is pretty silly. Honestly, without buying a carrier and locking up your fighters from England, a unification in SZ 8 is also very silly. In either case, the German Luftwaffe can sink the combined fleet with very modest losses (like 3 fighters and a submarine to get 4 transports, submarine, destroyer and battleship) with the carrier and fighters, the Germans would probably have to expose the battleship and that would make the attack cost prohibitive. Then again, now the fighters are NOT in Russia like you originally called for.
4) England invaded SZ 15, but did NOT bring the fighters from England into range of SZ 14 in which case Germany can either attack SZ 8/12 or just unify SZ 7 or build a small set of naval fodder and stationed herself in SZ 14 to sink the British fleet on Germany 3.
England shouldn’t make a mistake of this magnitude, so discussion of that point is moot. It is so dumb to bring the UK fleet to SZ 15 north of Anglo-Egypt but not bring any fighters to within range of S. Europe that it simply shouldn’t happen.
And yet, in the 5 games I’ve done this, England has never brought her fighters into range. Normally she loses them in SZ 5 after sinking the Baltic Fleet which is fine with me.
5) England did something smart, retreated everything it could and let Germany control the Med without invasion.
Again, England doesn’t HAVE to do this. My point is that the UK can RESPOND to the German move, and the Germans leaving Anglo-Egypt alone gives UK that many more options.
And what I am saying is the smart move is to take the armor, fighter and destroyer gift and get the heck out of Dodge before Germany spanks you. And that the options left open to England are far less in power and scope then the options left open to Germany if Germany waits one round to take Egypt and instead consolidates her forces to mass fire on the enemy.
A sniper is deadly. An artillery barrage is more deadly.
As I said earlier - Germany can FORCE the UK to stay out of the Med, but it is horribly costly to the Germans. I will pay the price of an arm if I can get an arm and a leg for it.
Yes, but the Germans can save a lot of money in forward placed units creating a much stronger front against the Allies because of it if they do not attack SZ 15, Egypt, SZ 13, Karelia and Ukraine at the same time. It’s easier to hit Gibraltar, SZ 13, Ukraine and Karelia because it costs you much less and allows you to put more firepower on the enemy resulting in fewer of your own losses.
I am pretty sure we agree that the value of an Infantry Unit 2 spaces away from the nearest friendly Industrial Complex has a greater tactical value then an Infantryman bought this round. Mainly because the purchased unit has to be placed and then move two spaces whereas the existing unit is already in position to attack or defend.
And that’s my basic concept. Germany can easily have 6 Units in Libya without moving anything there (assuming Libyan bid) and have her entire navy poised to attack SZ 15/SZ 12/SZ 7/SZ 8 without any long term tactical cost to her. If England moves to allow it, then England is at great risk of both making a tactical error somewhere and cascading dice failure. Germany is at risk of neither. The reason Germany is not at risk is because Germany is acting and forcing England to react to whatever she does. This gives her control of the board.