Phase 5: Non-combat Move: Reinforcement (passive)
Can you load up infantry on a transport during this phase and send them out to sea?
Diplomacy: Neutral VCPs
At what point do the neutral VCPs kick in for victory consideration? I could make a case for either +/-3 (e.g., when you start collecting it’s income) or +/-5 (e.g., when it is fully committed). The rules aren’t clear or I didn’t read them close enough.
We’re in a tight game of back and forth and Spain goes into -3 Diplomatic status. Axis wants to start claiming the +2 VPs for Madrid and Allies have no way of countering it. Should the VPs for the VCs only be counted when there troops in the country (e.g., +/-5) or is “dems da breaks!”.
For neutrals their VC status does not count unless they are full allies ( you control their forces and can move them outside the neutrals borders). So it may be possible to even attack Spain while its your ally. This was actually Hitlers plan under Operation Isabella if Franco didn’t cooperate. Of course then Spain becomes a new ally of UK immediately, which can control its armed forces. Now if you think you can just move Spains army outside and take madrid, your wrong because Dec of war are made during the movement phase, allowing the new controlling player (UK) to reposition her remaining armed forces in spain immediately to defend against German aggression. So the important point is you cant claim the VC points until its a full ally.
Phase 5: Non-combat Move: Reinforcement (passive)
Can you load up infantry on a transport during this phase and send them out to sea?
Its implied. For example If during reinforcement phase Italy wants to bring some infantry to Africa. They can do this provided they have a transport and 2 units for each transport can be transfered to this front, so if you only have 2 transports only up to 4 land units can be brought over. And yes you can just send them to ‘sea’ if you want during NCM
Victory Conditions:
LITE doesn’t have the disclaimer from AARHE 4.0:
“Victory is achieved if victory conditions are maintained for one full game round.”
Example (note: we were using Diplomacy and LITE, but it applies to conquering as well):
Axis wanted to claim victory right after the Diplomacy roll that took Spain to -3 (n.b., assuming that you start collecting the 2 VPs for Madrid at -3 along with the income. I’m still hoping for a ruling that +/-5 is required).Point is though, don’t the Axis have to allow the Allies the benefit of trying to take something back and hold the required VPs for a whole turn?
Yes +/- 5 IS REQUIRED TO COLLECT VC. The allies GET a full turn to attempt to retake something in order to restore the game away from axis victory, so for one turn you must survive.
Maybe the LITE rules should say
“Victory is achieved if you hold the required VP points at the start of your turn. Axis required 45 points; Allies 55 points.”
Yes i too agree. WE will have tekkyy add it.
So, we of course got confused and come for clarification. Resort to standard AAR LHTR 2.0 rules if there isn’t any discussion in LITE on a specific topic?
My intention is that if LITE doesn’t talk about it then it is not there.
So in Lite, IDs don’t perform anything more than usual. All those special combat rules regarding amphibious assault from AARHE are not used in Lite.
In fact the Lite document only mentions amphibious assault once in “combat move” phase.
At what point do the neutral VCPs kick in for victory consideration? I could make a case for either +/-3 (e.g., when you start collecting it’s income) or +/-5 (e.g., when it is fully committed). The rules aren’t clear or I didn’t read them close enough.
You count the netural VCP only when +5/-5.
At -3 Axis gets the income but Axis units can’t enter and Axis can’t deploy units at the VC. So logically the VC is not in Axis hands yet.
LITE doesn’t have the disclaimer from AARHE 4.0:
“Victory is achieved if victory conditions are maintained for one full game round.”
Yes i too agree. WE will have tekkyy add it.
Yep checking for YOUR victory at beginning of turn is a neat way to do the same as “hold one turn”.
I’m adding it.
Can you load up infantry on a transport during this phase and send them out to sea?
Actually my intention is that loading/offloading can only be done during your turn.
@Imperious:
Now if you think you can just move Spains army outside and take madrid, your wrong because Dec of war are made during the movement phase, allowing the new controlling player (UK) to reposition her remaining armed forces in spain immediately to defend against German aggression.
Don’t know what you situation you are referring to. At +4 Axis units can enter Spain. Axis can’t control Spainish troops. At +5 Spain is fully committed Axis. Territory and units goes towards a particular Axis player. So now you can move Spainish troops but you can’t “attack” it since its a friendly territory. Madrid is now Axis.
@Imperious:
Its implied. For example If during reinforcement phase Italy wants to bring some infantry to Africa. They can do this provided they have a transport and 2 units for each transport can be transfered to this front, so if you only have 2 transports only up to 4 land units can be brought over. And yes you can just send them to ‘sea’ if you want during NCM
No. Reinforcement is not meant to be a full movement thing.
The rule states you can move to adjacent territory or sea zone. Thats all.
What IL explained there is actually part of the “Strategic Redeployment” rule in full AARHE.
Yea i was referring to Strategic Redeployment transfers over sea zones.
Infantry Deployment
This is a worry.
In full AARHE you can deploy at VCs, with the capacity being the value of Victory City Point of the VC.
In LITE you can deploy anywhere, with the capacity being the income value, but 50% for captured territories.
Sure it also helps Allies but
Japan can deploy 9 infantry at Mainland Asia
Germany can deploy 9 infantry near Cau (3 each at Eeu, Ukr, Blk)
Infantry Deployment
This is a worry.
In full AARHE you can deploy at VCs, with the capacity being the value of Victory City Point of the VC.
In LITE you can deploy anywhere, with the capacity being the income value, but 50% for captured territories.Sure it also helps Allies but
Japan can deploy 9 infantry at Mainland Asia
Germany can deploy 9 infantry near Cau (3 each at Eeu, Ukr, Blk)
what then do you propose we do?
Infantry Deployment
This is a worry.
In full AARHE you can deploy at VCs, with the capacity being the value of Victory City Point of the VC.
In LITE you can deploy anywhere, with the capacity being the income value, but 50% for captured territories.Sure it also helps Allies but
Japan can deploy 9 infantry at Mainland Asia
Germany can deploy 9 infantry near Cau (3 each at Eeu, Ukr, Blk)
I admit, this is pretty scary. Not sure if it was just luck, or not but UK/Rus survived – but it seemed that in the hands of a professional it would be doom for that side of the world. Pushing that many infantry was a lot to take on. Japan built APs instead of having to mess with factories and was funneling over ARM/ART.
I thought the goal of LITE was to play on the AAR map, so this is a tough one to get around. We were actually using the new map and I thought 5 INF a turn was bad enough.
Thanks for bringing it up. I didn’t have a good counter to a Japan player running a tight land war with that much production capability. Especially since UK can’t overfly Russia.
ok how bout this for AARHE Lite:
factory use OOB rules….number of total units equal to IPC value of territory
VC one infantry unit per VC point… a 5 VC city can place 5 infantry
If no VC then Infantry only at 1/2 value of territory rounded down.
I thought the goal of LITE was to play on the AAR map, so this is a tough one to get around.
Actually why is it hard to get around? In terms of VCs, LITE has the same list as full AARHE.
@Imperious:
VC one infantry unit per VC point… a 5 VC city can place 5 infantry
If no VC then Infantry only at 1/2 value of territory rounded down.
Wait No.1 is just infantry deployment rule form full AARHE.
If we have that we don’t need No.2.
I like No.2. Simple and not too powerful.
ok thats fine then.
