Rule Question



  • In response to the Caspain Sub #18 thread, I would like to ask a question (because I dont think it was adequately answered).

    Can attacking sea/air units retreat before defending submarines submerge? I know that the TripleA programming doesn’t allow it, but if you are playing TripleA and this case ever presents itself, would you just use the unit editor?

    Thank you.



  • LHTR 2.0 says to this:

    “If the attacker has not withdrawn all units, defending submarines may submerge.”

    This implies defending subs submerge after the attacker has chosen to either retreat (or submerge) or not.

    (page 16 - Condition B) Defender withdraws subs by submerging)



  • didn’t know there was a unit editer

    ok, as far as i know the combat goes they move out of combat at the same time. so both sides subs would submurge simeltaniouslly, or navies/air retreat at the same time the subs go under.



  • thank you



  • whether to use the unit editer depends on your opponent(s)
    like if it was agreed to play LHTR, or they just wanted to play TripleA style



  • This was discussed in the CSub 18 thread.  Basically, it depends on which rules you are playing under

    • The OOB rules are vague about which happens first, even using the FAQ/Errata info from the web
    • LHTR clearly states the attacker retreats first, then the defender can submerge if the attacker is still there.
    • CSub’s has their own rules clarification sheet that clearly states that the defending subs can submerge before the attacker can retreat.

  • 2018 2017 '16 '11 Moderator

    @Ranor:

    LHTR 2.0 says to this:

    “If the attacker has not withdrawn all units, defending submarines may submerge.”

    This implies defending subs submerge after the attacker has chosen to either retreat (or submerge) or not.

    (page 16 - Condition B) Defender withdraws subs by submerging)

    Page 14 is more to the point.

    It categorically states that the Attacker choses to press the attack or retreat BEFORE defending submarines chose to submerge or remain surfaced.


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