I'll always tell you. the "most tolerant" are always not.



  • @Cmdr:

    Yes, we can claim it, because while the ideas floated in the ether for millenia and eons even, America proved it could be done successfully.

    No it didn’t.  There were plenty of democracies before the US.


  • 2007 AAR League

    besides greece and rome prior caesar?


  • 2007 AAR League

    @Cmdr:

    Yes, we can claim it, because while the ideas floated in the ether for millenia and eons even, America proved it could be done successfully.

    I agree with pervavita and jermo, here. At best, we can claim that we’ve taken democracy further than any other nation.

    We still have civil rights lawyers, the EPA, OSHA, the AFL/CIO, etc. And it’s not because a democracy needs those kinds of people and organizations it’s because if we didn’t have them there would be people who would take advantage of their absence. In a true democracy, those organizations wouldn’t exist because the things they fight for or fight to protect wouldn’t be issues to be dealt with. We would have already worked them out. As much as we would like to say that we follow the “all (wo)men are created equal” rule there are still people out there who are considered or feel that they are more equal than others and those are the people who generally corrupt the democratic concept.


  • 2007 AAR League

    not many. i count two.  and then it took a thousand+ years and america to bring it back.

    and both democracies spawned civilizations which had a great impact for the world and knowledge and spreading of ideas.  same with america.



  • Rome was a Republic not a Democracy. there are fundamental diffrences between the two. Republic has a senate that makes the judgments. Democracy dosn’t but instead the people vote on all the laws.
    the US is a hybrid of both.


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    @Jermofoot:

    @U-505:

    Ok, so I was on my way to Wal-mart and McDonalds as I was thinking about what exactly our culture is and the irony was definitely not lost on me.

    I think you could have stopped there…it says it all. Or was that meant to be a joke?  :lol:

    It was both a joke and a reflection of the state of our culture. Unfortunately or not.  😄

    @Jermofoot:

    How about Hollywood?  Pop stars (not that other nations don’t have their own…)?  Coca-cola?

    The obsession with “celebrity” is definitely a part of our culture. But, that all goes back to my post about the gladiators and Greek actors. It’s a portion of other cultures that we adopted. Although, we did take it to a higher degree.

    @Jermofoot:

    but doesn’t that mean being omnicultural, we are really cultureless?

    Ok, these are things.  But do they make a culture?  Does everyone play baseball, jazz, drive big & fast cars, are celebrities, etc. etc.?

    Again, more stuff.  Take away all that, and we don’t have a “culture.”

    You’re right. I’m kind of guilty for taking us in that direction. It’s not what we invented, it’s how we use them that defines parts of our culture. But I do think that we have a culture.

    Take the internet. That we invented it isn’t important. It’s the fact that we are almost completely dependent on it now that reflects our culture. We communcate, make connections, entertain ourselves(porn anybody?), transact business, and educate ourselves with it. Think about how much time each day that you spend on the internet. If it went down suddenly we’d be lost. Yeah, we would eventually cope but it would devastate us initially in all kinds of ways. Socially, economically, as entertainment.

    I think our culture is mostly defined by “Git er done”. And “I want it and I want it now”. And “why do we do this? Because we can. The means and the consequences be damned”. And violence. We are a violent culture despite our “supposed” status as the worlds leading democracy and advocate for peace and freedom.



  • The United States is NOT a democracy (thank the Gods!)

    But we are no longer what we were supposed to be either (a Democratic Federated Republic).

    The fact that we have moved closer to Democracy (expansion of the vote, popular election of Senators, Presidential Electors bound by law to honor popular vote result, etc.) is what has allowed us to proceed so quickly down the road of the demise of Democracy.

    No democracy may survive for long after the people discover that they can taken what they want away from others by using the force of government to make the theft legal.



  • @balungaloaf:

    not many. i count two.  and then it took a thousand+ years and america to bring it back.

    and both democracies spawned civilizations which had a great impact for the world and knowledge and spreading of ideas.  same with america.

    yeah, and then they fell… are we going to fall? It’s hard to determine whether or not a nation with such an amazing amount of power will fall. Yet, history has proven every nation has… Roman… Ottoman… French… German… they all went down.

    Don’t worry, I have my fingers crossed for us.

    Ooops off topic.

    Oookay,…


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