Ron Paul

I don’t have that much patience.

Well, first off I think Blue Falcon is extreme.

Second I guess as long as you dont mind 50% or 60% Income tax along with any other taxes they can think of go ahead and vote Democrat.  At least then you can have the government take care of you.  I for one would like to spend my money instead of having the Government do it for me.  Since I’ll most likely be voting from Iraq, if you vote for Obama, I can come home early, and get ready to defend my house from the “people” we are fighting on the other side of the world.  But it will be worth it, I’ll only have to do the bare minimum for work, because I won’t mater how hard you work every body gets the same, because that’s what’s fair.

Oh hell nevermind, I’m going to go get a cup of starbucks bold, I won’t be able to afford one soon…

thats why not to vote McCain is because of the BF. he dosn’t stand by conservative values. his only clame to fame is the war. yes he has voted on his values, but his values are not conservative. he is for amnasty for illegals, he is a pro globel warming tax man (1.2 Trillion a year is the proposed tax for this that he stands by), he dosn’t understand the economy (tax cuts bad, his change on it came after he came under fire for that stance… oo a flip).
he is a one trick pony, that trick may be a good one, but with out the support of the other things the pony is going to have no where to land after it’s trick.

@balungaloaf:

someone sounds like a big baby. like rush. if its not my guy i’ll cry and try to make our whole party lose… real mature.  take a loss like an adult.

OMG…… I agree w/Bloaf again on something.

People who say that McCain isn’t conservative enough or Celery (I like this Imp L) isn’t liberal enough are too far right or left. It isn’t surprising that these people can’t find a candidate to support after the sane among us weed out the nut jobs in the primaries.

We need leaders that can build consensus and work with the other party and find middle ground and solutions to our shared problems. The R party & D party both have some good ideas and concepts. Neither party has all the answers.

The loony left, which supports a welfare state and the radical right which wants to outlaw abortion and chase illegals from house to house need to be smacked in the face with some realities and understand that in a democracy we need to be able to reach middle ground to find answers that are digestible by the majority of us. And the extremist from both parties who live amongst us (read talking heads, religious nutz, filthy rich elites, newspaper editors et al.) should understand that most sane Americans don’t believe in or support their loony and radical positions.

If individuals who support both far left & right positions don’t want to play politics with the majority of americans after we weed out THEIR candidates than I say fine….good ridance to you all. The country will be in a better place once you are all gone.

Eh…your vote doesn’t matter anyway in the Pres. election.

Unless you are on the electoral college.

@Jermofoot:

Eh…your vote doesn’t matter anyway in the Pres. election.
Unless you are on the electoral college.

Come-on? You are far too cynical.

@JWW:

@Jermofoot:

Eh…your vote doesn’t matter anyway in the Pres. election.
Unless you are on the electoral college.

Come-on? You are far too cynical.

Ok, so I made it more extreme than it seems, but IMO the electoral college is obsolete.  Direct vote, please.  Or modification of the electoral college so that it’s not winner take all.

something politically we agree on 

@Jermofoot:

Ok, so I made it more extreme than it seems, but IMO the electoral college is obsolete.  Direct vote, please.  Or modification of the electoral college so that it’s not winner take all.

Yeah, then the young lads w/guns in jesus country (IOWA, Nebraska etc…) revolt because they soon realize that their votes don’t matter as they observe the massive large city pop’s drown out their voice in the political system….

A few massive states (NY, CA, FL, TX etc…) shouldn’t be able to steam roll our republic’s political system year in year out.

And each state has a direct vote.

Lastly, there have been few instances where the electoral college hasn’t performed as it was intended.

Wrong, the ONLY candidates that matter are strong conservatives.  I don’t want a wannabe liberal.  If I’m going to vote for a liberal, I’ll vote for the Democrat.  I don’t go for impostors.

Romney isn’t conservative enough for me, but he’s the best one running who has a chance at winning.

McCain, well, look at who he worked with in the past.

McCain Fiengold
McCain Kennedy
McCain Lieberman

The Dream Act

The guy touts the liberal platform.  That’s why he’s the media darling.  He’s NOT a conservative, not in the real sense of who conservatives have been in the past 30 years.  He is a conservative if you look back to the 1950’s and 1960’s when Conservatives were the Rich White Establishment.

If you want the Rich White Establishment, then you probably like John McCain.

@Cmdr:

Wrong, the ONLY candidates that matter are strong conservatives.

ummm ok :?

@Cmdr:

If I’m going to vote for a liberal, I’ll vote for the Democrat. Romney isn’t conservative enough for me,

I guess you should sign up at moveon.org now!
Good luck finding someone conservative enough for you that the majority of amercians can stomach supporting.

@Cmdr:

The guy touts the liberal platform.

Against abortion, pro-military, against same sex marriage, pro cutting gov’t largess, pro NRA. Yeah your right! Those are the foundations of the democrat’s platform. I think I’m a liberal too!

@Cmdr:

If you want the Rich White Establishment, then you probably like John McCain.

I see your point, Mitt, John Kerry, Teddy Kennedy, they aren’t rich, white or part of any establishment!  :lol:

As I have already stated……

The loony left, which supports a welfare state and the radical right which wants to outlaw abortion and chase illegals from house to house need to be smacked in the face with some realities and understand that in a democracy we need to be able to reach middle ground to find answers that are digestible by the majority of us. And the extremist from both parties who live amongst us (read talking heads, religious nutz, filthy rich elites, newspaper editors et al.) should understand that most sane Americans don’t believe in or support their loony and radical positions.

If individuals who support both far left & right positions don’t want to play politics with the majority of americans after we weed out THEIR candidates than I say fine….good riddance to you all. The country will be in a better place once you are all gone.

@JWW:

@Jermofoot:

Eh…your vote doesn’t matter anyway in the Pres. election.
Unless you are on the electoral college.

Come-on? You are far too cynical.

The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything. -Stalin (its sorta true )

I thought this thread was about Rue Paul the Tranny…

if a republican had to win it should be Ron Paul. but he won’t get the nomination. how many states has he won? lol republicans just don’t for pipe-lovin anarchists. psst Ron pass the weed. I got the money if you got the goods lol

Back on topic…

Ron Paul I do think IS running for the Libertarian Nomination (as Jen posted previously).  He has a boat load of cash, and has picked up a LOT of name recognition despite little “free press” during his time in the Republican Primaries.

Normally Libertarians do pull largely (but not exclusively) from the ranks of Republicans, due mostly to the extremely fiscal conservative outlook of the Libertarians.  But they also draw support for Democrats due to their support of individual freedom and lack of government regulation and control.

This year I suspect that the Libertarian (if they do nominate Paul) will actually draw MORE support from the Dems that from the Republicans due to Ron Paul being a RABID anti-war candidate (the only one left in the race).  20% of the voters out there place withdraw from Iraq as their single greatest concern, and that is a lot of potential Paul votes since McCain, Clinton, Obama, and Romney all are on the other side of the fence on that issue.  Add in the fiscal conservative Republicans who are not going to go for McCain, the social moderates who will not vote for Romney…  And the general lack of enthusiasm for ANY of the 4 remaining major candidates from the 2 main parties, and it COULD be a good year for a Libertarian Ron Paul ticket…

I like RP. It’s just his/Libertarians isolationist philosophy that I disagree with.

I was watching Hannity last night and I had an apiphany, Jennifer = Ann Colter

How does it make sense to say I’d rather be a socialist than vote for a guy that works with the socialists to get what he wants done?

By the way youtube is full of videos of the debates of Romney in the 90s Claiming to be as liberal or more so than Teddy K.  Here’s a good quote from Romney “We have tough gun laws in Massachusetts, I suport them, I won’t chip away at them, I beleve they help protect us and provide for our safty.”

Dezrt, it makes logical sense from this standpoint:

Since McCain has only signed off on liberal legislation, though he talks a good talk, he must, there fore, be a liberal.

And, since he is a liberal, but claiming to be a conservative, people will believe his actions represent what conservatives want to do.

And thus, he will sully the name of conservativism and do irreparable harm to the party as a whole.

However, if we elect someone who wants the same things as McCain, but admits to being a liberal, then liberalism will sustain the sullying of the name and the irreparable harm, not the conservatives.

Thus, if the choice is between a Republican Liberal or a Democrat Liberal, the obvious choice is to go with the Democrat Liberal so we can use true conservativism next time to contrast what the Democrat did wrong.

McCain is for illegal immigration.  McCain is for big government.  McCain may be against abortion, but unless the Supreme Court gets 3 or 4 open minded Justices in the next few years, and someone can actually get through the court system to be heard by the Supreme Court, abortion is a non-issue.  It’s like when the magician brings out the beautiful assistant to distract the crowd while he lines his pockets for the next trick.

McCain may even be pro-military.  But so is Hillary.  She voted for the war in Iraq the first time and has yet to actually cast a ballot against the war.  Though, she’s had a lot of speeches about how we need to find a new path in Iraq.  Again, if you look at her actions and McCain’s actions, they run parallel, not perpendicular to each other.

What America does NOT want is another wishy-washy conservative.  AKA “Compassionate” conservative like George Bush.  George was reelected because we knew Kerry was worse, not because Bush was great.  We need another Bush Sr.  We need another Richard Nixon.  We need another Andrew Jackson.  We need another Thomas Jefferson.  We need another Ronald Reagan.  We need another John F. Kennedy.  We do not need another FDR.  We do not need another Bill Clinton.  We do not need a John McCain.

Jesus Christ jen.  get over it.  romney’s gonna lose, and you gotta quit pouting.  McCain is very conservative.  blather on all you like with hannity and rush and colter. which i like colter, anyone who calls someone a fag and doesnt care about the PC is gold in my books.

wow.  McCain fiengold.  bipartisan laws have to be with both parties you dig?  all it said was no negative ads 30 days before election day……(bush vs McCain anyone) and also the ads have to say who funded it and who they support.

oh no how terrible.  so shutup about this being all terrible.  pleeeaaaasssseeee.

McCain is for illegal immigration?  wow did you ever twist that, wont dignify that stupidity with a response.

He may be against abortion?  Jesus H…        He MAY be pro military?..no more crack.

and Ron Paul wont return campaign funds from white supremicists…the only reason the media has stayed mum on this is b/c they want him to run as a 3rd party ticket.  if they let everyone know that, he wont stand a chance for 1%.  and his writings…dont forget those…funny how they go hand in hand with the no return of the racists donations.

McCain liberman is for a good cause, but put in in a stupid way.  its not realistic, its idealistic…damn green hippies.  he was just trying to do the right thing though.

oh and McCain was against tax cuts b/c he said middle income and lower income people need tax cuts also.  he wanted them for EVERYBODY……and he wanted to cut spending to match the cuts.

sounds very conservative to me.

i won’t reply to what you said, but i will say this.
the tone and wording you used was far from in line IMO. the way you went at it is the same kind of talk that will get this whole political debate closed down. there is a respecfull way to talk about this with out being degrading to people with opposing views to your own.

There’s a difference between working WITH the Democrats for CONSERVATIVE legislation, and abandoning the party to side with the democrats.

Reagan worked WITH the Democrats to move the conservative agenda forward.  McCain has yet to work with the Republicans, he’s abandoned the party, and now wants us to support him.

Romney’s not out yet.  He got almost as many votes as McCain in Florida and he had the most votes by people who consider themselves conservative (while McCain got most of the votes from people who consider themselves liberal or moderate.)

But I want to know, Balung.  If Romney gets the nomination, will you vote Democrat?  You seem to dislike Romney for some reason, though the only reason I can assume is because he’s a Mormon and not a Catholic or Protestant.

true, mormons are nice people, too nice,  but i think their religion is whack.  i wouldnt vote for a satanist, witch, evangelical snake worshipper, a muslim b/c their faith calls on non muslims to be subdued(read the quotes from the koran, its undeniable), a hindu b/c of its racist caste system, a unitarian, an athiest, an animist, or some others that i cant think of.  oh and not a scientologist.

other than the founding fathers of mormonism being responsible for cold blooded murder.  which they turned the story into a movie to come out this summer, just so if Mitt was nominated, he’d be blasted by hollywood.

that and the whole premise of the conception of mormonism is dumb.  2 sacred rocks?  only he can read them?  from a hat so no-one else can see?  when he’s called out on it, by a smart lady, who says “hey prove it,……if the stone with the tablet in the hat says what you say it does, do it again and it should say the exact same thing…”  very smart, joseph smith then had to change from the original rock saying it wouldnt work again… :roll:

but i will vote for romney before hillary…i’d think about it for a loooong time with obama, then slap myself and vote republican.  and then think about it some more.

McCain has too supported republicans, he was a bush defender to show his loyalty to the party.  what else did the party want?  hardly any other republicans were out there stauncly defending bush.