@Pervavita:
Chosin Reservour in Korea saw a major conflict between US and Chines troops. i would say that meets your criteria of a conflict between powers.
the war over all was world wide in scope, there were however no major German vs US conflicts. it was many theaters of one war over many years.
Again, I repeat that the Korean War was in fact a war. But it wasn’t part of the Cold War, and it wasn’t WW3.
I don’t understand your second statement.
@ncscswitch:
Too much time in between?
It was multiple continuous conflicts spread over the entire 50 year time span and encompassed the globe.
Just because you did not have 10,000,000 men in uniform in the field does NOT preclude it from being a world war.
Yes, too isolated and separated by time.
Look, it’s easy to lump them all together, but they weren’t connected except that the US felt they needed to get involved in each one. So perhaps you are arguing that WW3 was perpetrated by the US?
It’s quite a stretch to link all those together in a global conflict. Individually, it didn’t matter whether they were won or lost (and primarily we “lost” each one), and, ultimately, we came out on top even though we couldn’t police the world.
@balungaloaf:
indeed. the USSR wanted world communism, its their goal and the goal on the comintern(communist international).
they wouldnt let eastern europe govern itself after WWII. thats huge. that makes everyone wary. then they beef up the military of USSR backed n.korea to let it invade s.korea. it was a test to see if they can use surrogates to achieve their means. our response told them no.
Well, the US wanted the world as well, and the entire world after WW2 was not allowed to govern itself - the Koreas, SE Asia, Middle East, Africa, etc., etc. This was not entirely the Commies’ fault. And, the USSR actually didn’t back N. Korea invading S. Korea, even when asked. Their involvement didn’t occur until the US crossed the agreed-upon demarcation line (38th parallel). So really, we were the aggressors and China and USSR responded (and even warned us they would do so).
they tried to influence takeovers in france, germany, spain, italy, latin america all by funding communist groups and communist parties. by gaining these countries, they would find new allies in a war against america.
see whats going on here. they would have slowly isolated us into nothing. choke of our foreign trade and resources and not have to fight to destroy us.
The problem is the US held this view, just as you do, and it was incorrect. So we jumped into conflicts that we couldn’t win and were pointless to begin with. Just because countries were becoming communist does not mean that they were just an extension of the USSR. They didn’t want to be under the heel of either superpower. I’d like to also see where you read about these supposed coups that all primarily failed or were redundant anyway. And it’s not like the US didn’t stage coups of its own.
they tried again in vietnam. after the french got kicked out by the communist ho chi mihn, we went to protect the new nation of s.vietnam from the communist north, again backed by the USSR. after the n.vietnamese takeover, due to democrats in congress (after a s.vietnames repulsion of a 2 million man northern invasion (bigger than barborosa) without any american ground troops) abondoning the country with no aid. the communists spread into cambodia and laos. thialand and burma resorted to military dictatorships to stop communism. that happens alot.
Again, you misconstrue the situation. The Soviets had really no significant involvement in the Vietnam War. The Vietnamese wanted a unified country, but didn’t agree on which method of rule. The core conflict again was unification of Vietnam without another country ruling over it. The US was afraid that if Vietnam went Communist, all of SE Asia would. So we extended a conflict that was destined to lose anyway, for completely misguided (and wrong) reasons.
Besides that, Vietnam attacked communist Cambodia and repulsed a (communist) China invasion after we left. So much for that communism spread.
@Cmdr:
If you think I said that, Jermo, then you did not read what I wrote correctly.
The United States used Desert Storm as the Coups de Grass for the Cold War. But the Cold War did not end just because the Soviet Union collapsed and we were A) naive and B) hosing the deck with premature testosterone.
Meanwhile, China was buying a president and buying intercontinental ballistic missile guidance systems from said president and getting the flood gates opened to purchase a large portion of our oil out of the Alaskan pipeline.
Ok, I guess the key here is you don’t understand the term coup de grace. So look it up.
And again I reiterate that you and many here claimed multiple times that the Cold War ended with a Reagan victory. But I don’t really care enough to push that.
BTW, you just sound like a conspiracy theorist. Care to say something about 9/11?
@dezrtfish:
I hate to entertain this off topic nonscence, but first of all I assume by this you figure to go home and raise up a couple “spineless fools” yourself? M, don’t let the corp push what little remains of your natural reasoning ability out of your head. It’s ok to use your own brain to create your own thoughts every once in awhile even if you have to do it by light of a flashlight under a blanket.
Both of my oldest children have told me a number of times that they can’t wait to join the army when they get old enough, fortunately I have 10 years or so to get some sense into thier heads, slim chance though I supose my father is a vietnam vet, my grand father is a Korean vet, my great grand father is a WWI vet and his father fought against the Spanish.
So, M, if you don’t know what your talking about, don’t.
I hope I didn’t misunderstand you…but I think you’d be doing your kids the right thing. Father first, fighter second.