• I’m gonna start out with my thoughts on NAs, feel free to discuss I’m probably wrong in a lot of circumstances, but I want to learn. If I take a

    Russia’s
    1. Russian Winter-  😢 . What kills it - it is too defensive, and not particularly good at it. AARE appears to have a lot of focus on the many first skirmishes in a scramble for victory cities. Russian Winter is basically saying that you’re waiting for the Axis to come all the way next to Moscow before you can use it, and that usually doesn’t happen as the game is usually determined at some point before that. You may also get no further benefit from it than one extra turn from it, because the Axis can dance around active zones for a turn. A free turn is good don’t get me wrong, but it would seem to come at an awfully late part in the game while the Axis could be dictating it far before then.

    Suggestion: Russian Winter can be declared at the beginning of the Russian turn. At least this way you could use it on R1 to boost a Russian Triple attack, or at least it would take away the warning the Axis players get in the current embodiment declared at the end of your turn.

    2. Mobile Complex =  🙂 Good for a KJF strategy, or in a KGF, as a second NA. In some respect it is already as good as Russian Winter because it delays the Axis for a turn in which they have to rebuild the complex after they get the territory like Caucasus/Moscow. What makes it better than Russian Winter is that it is very flexible and hard for the Axis to avoid, you can move your complexes to areas where reinforcements are needed, and you can continue to do this as opposed to Russian Winter. You also get a free complex and inf, nothing to sneeze at.

    3. T-34s =  😞 Requires a big tank building session for Russia, and defensive play. However, the best defense comes from infantry, and infantry also provide fodder for future offense. It might be good if coupled with Lend Lease to nab a couple extra arm per round from your Allies, but it’s a little bit too defensive and not great at it either compared to the infantry you could build instead of the arm.

    Suggestion: Give Russia a free arm at the beginning of this NA.

    4. Lend Lease =  🙂 Solid all the way around in any strategy as first or second NA. Over some rounds Russia could feasibly accumulate the cash to develop a rocket tech, or in any case you can nab some fighters from your Allies to trade with Germany/Japan easier, which is great, since Russia already has a lot of men on the frontlines, just needing some expensive gear which it otherwise would not be able to afford.

    5. Russian Rail  🙂 A great NA. Russia can easily hold Karelia by itself, which is sometimes a big problem with the other NAs. You can zoom infantry from Mos/Cauc directly to Karelia, and zoom a lot of infantry from Asia towards Germany as well. Big pressure on Germany limits their build options, which is good since Germany is difficult in AARE.

    6. Siberian Conscripts:  🙂 You must plan a way to maintain the territories for a few rounds, otherwise it’s not worth it, but if you do plan it right, it’s worth a lot of IPCs and delay to Japan. It’s horrible if you allow Japan to expand to Yakut in 2-3 turns, because you have no NA anymore.

    Germany’s
    1. Atlantic Wall -  🙂 Not bad, but not always the answer. It gives you a superior defensive position, but you have to watch out for mass bombardments on W. Europe, which will eventually cave it in.
    2. German 88’s -  🙂 Not bad, but it’s limiting in the sense that the way to take advantage of it is to do a huge infantry/artillery push, which may not be the best way to win in AARE.
    3. Divebombers -  🙂 Not bad. It forces the Allies to build a carrier or two, and gives you more leeway in trading territories. What I like is that it’s flexible, since fighters are flexible.
    4. Panzers -  🙂 Good. It lightens the load of trading territories in two ways; you can now take those annoying zones where someone pickets 1-3 inf + aa (normally risky to send aircraft in), and you can also take the territory even if your inf screen burns off. But you have to send the panzers en masse because it’s really not good if they dont’ instantly kill the opponent, so it might only help you trade 1 territory per turn if you want to be very certain of the results. But then again, 1 territory per turn helps a LOT.
    5. Wolfpacks -  🙂 Good. What better way to annoy the Allies than with subs? The UK isn’t going to be happy at all when it starts off of -8 on its very first turn, and it likely won’t let up for a good while due to how difficult it is to tag subs and also the UK’s rapidly diminishing income.
    6. Afrika Corps -  :-). IMO it’s not terribly difficult to counter if you’re in the least used to AAR’s method of cleaning Africa out with the Allies; those few units don’t tend to make a huge difference because the Allies usually have air superiority in Africa, making it hard to trade/push there. But if you suspect the Allies’ strategy has a huge weakness in Africa, there’s no better way than to start off G1 with a truckload of units there and watch the Allies scramble with both that and the German navy.

    UK
    1. Radar -  🙂 For $8, you get a $5 aa gun, turn your bb into an AA gun that shoots at a 2, and get your destroyers to bombard. Or you get all your fighters immune to AA guns and defend on a 5. Radar is good because it gives you the flexibility to deal with any combination of German naval/air assaults.
    2. Royal Airforce -  🙂 I think usually the best way to deal a simple carrier reinforcement of the Baltic is to overpower it with air. With Royal Airforce, you can have a total force of 7 figs 1 bom ready to attack the Baltic on G2, forcing them to give it up or build even more boats. Although air alone can’t hit subs, figs are a great way to clear a sub-heavy navy by removing all the support units in an efficient manner.
    3. Royal Navy -  🙂 Destroyers is a good strategy in AARE due to combined arms. More destroyers out in the sea means more defense against naval/air assaults, and eventually mass bombardments.
    4. Commonwealth -  🙂 An inf per turn is nothing to sneeze at if you can manage the long term game. In fact, it’s easily one of the strongest NAs if you can do the long term. This NA  alone can make Africa invincible to all the most brutal of Japanese/German expansion tactics, and those tactics are extremely costly to other theaters of war. Putting an inf per turn into an inaccesible place like South Africa helps a ton.
    5. Colonial Garrison -  😞 Personally, I don’t think the UK can manage to put up units at an IC and also deal with Germany’s navy. The other problem is that complexes you set out there are vulnerable to convoy raids, and you may not be very happy if both Japan/German y have subs along the Indian coast. Commonwealth is probably better if your only goal is to maintain some pressure at India/Africa. But if the Germans are hamstrung or don’t care about their navy, garrisoning India/Australia can create a headache for Japan as the subs/inf stream out.
    6. UK Lend Lease -  🙂 If the Germans are going with a massive massive navy, this can be used as a second NA to recruit American figs as well as give the UK some cash to play with as convoy raiding takes its toll. The UK can assemble a huge airforce on its own with royal airforce + lend lease, allowing it to cleanly wipe out the Germans without the hassle of a 1-2 strike from UK/US which has a lower success rate.

    Japan
    1. Banzai -  😄 Gold star NA. I would recommend this 100% as Japan’s first NA. On J1, it frees up a significant portion of your airforce to do other things. On further turns, it allows your infantry to become quite the fighting force; each infantry has a 16% higher chance to hit on round 1, the most important round. Since the infantry is a cheap unit, that’s amazing. Really frees up a lot of equipment and gives you a huge battering ram to break through any pressure that the Allies are throwing at you in Asia.
    2. Kaitens -  🙂 Good NA. If America’s going after you, the free sub and cheap sub are quite welcome for fodder. If American’s not going after you, you can manufacture 5 subs much more cheaply to convoy raid the US.
    3. Tokyo Express -  🙂 It can be a very quick win by grabbing Australia on J2, and then holding Hawaii/Karelia/India, which is not out of the question the way some people play. Otherwise, it’s probably better as an anti-KJF tactic, since transports in KGF are getting you a more varied force to the frontlines at less cost. If you’re fighting off the Americans though, it helps a ton to build TE destroyers because they do a lot of things for their cost - offloading 2 inf per turn just like transports (in noncombat), sub detection, and reasonable attack/defense rates.
    4. Most Powerful Battleships -  :? Not sure about this one. It feels like it needs a permanent cost reduction of 1-2 IPCs. Look at NAs such as Royal Airforce, Navy, Divebombers, Kaitens, Kamikazers, Wolfpacks. Those NAs do 3 things - improve the unit, give you a discount on the first unit, and then give a further permanent cost reduction. Why is this one different? Two other NAs break the mold as well, but those are understandable - 88’s is understandable because a permanent reduction would make it way too good, it’d be the 100% replacement for infantry (not to mention you get 8 IPCs of free units as opposed to 5 or so on the above mentioned NAs). Reinforced carriers doesn’t necessarily deserve a permanent cost reduction because the US has another NA that can do that too.
    5. Kamikazes -  :? I just haven’t used this enough. I suppose it’s good vs KJF because you can snipe out transports, but using that ability isn’t economically sound, and is severely dampened if the US builds redundancy like having 3 transports with them. Plus the US might not even care about transports and simply look to convoy raid you to death. Also the US can easily counter this with reinforced carriers, so their carriers are no longer so vulnerable.
    6. Tech Advantage -  🙂 Basically a quick +16 IPCs to the Japanese. Probably most useful in a KGF to give the Japanese Jet Power to lend some more defense to Germany, help their tech out if they need it, and also to help overcome the common AA gun in Caucasus.

    US
    1. Reinforced carriers -  🙂 Possibly a requirement for KJF, otherwise your carriers are fodder for kaitens/kamikaze.
    2. Naval Industry -  🙂 Very likely a requirement for KJF, gives you a big economic edge. Every naval unit you buy is $1 earned, so if you’re buying 4-5 subs a round, you’re making an extra 4-5 per turn. Awesome!
    3. Tech Advantage -  🙂 Not only does it save on you a tech, but it takes out the 50% risk factor in rolling partial tech. That really makes a huge difference; failed techs hurt doubly because they cost you more to finish and they also take another turn to implement. This can quickly get you some rockets into the game against Germany, or any other tech you can think of.
    4. Pac Divisions -  🙂 Basically +3 IPC per turn. That’s even better than naval industry if you build less than 3 boats per turn. Gives you flexibility in defending the W. Coast as well as shucking units. Combine pac divs + naval industry to make the US a monster to fight against.
    5. Marines -  :? Haven’t used enough. If you plan it right you could get a huge payload into W. Europe on turn 3 or so, but I think it’s a better idea to slowly ramp up destroyers with combined arms to wear out W. Europe then Germany.
    6. Mech infantry -  🙂 Infantry aren’t supposed to move at 2, but now they do. That makes retaking Africa with the US a cinch, as well as operations in Europe. It would of course be worth a lot more with a nation like Germany or Russia, but it still is good for the US.

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    I’ll go in reverse.

    Marines: Honestly, unless your opponent forgets you get to transport marines by submarine for one turn and leaves Japan open, I don’t see the utility of them in the long run, compared to the fraggin AWESOME advantages America can choose from.

    Tech Investment: By far THE best NA in Enhanced.  Common!  No more wondering if you get the NA AND you can pass the savings on to friends!  (Who wouldn’t want to pay 12-16 IPC per tech instead of 16-20 for the first attempt???)

    Reinforced Carriers:  Nice, helps absorb hits from the German submarines, but as Bean said, not very utilitarian except to hurt Japan afterwards.

    Pac Div:  Okay, an infantry is nice.  In in a 10 round game that will be 30 IPC.

    Naval Industry:  Very awesome!  Counters Kaitens by giving you the price break, makes it possible to buy loads of fighters to give away to England and Russia, etc.

    Mech Infantry:  The way to go if you are doing Africa.  Inf + Arm = Fast run to Caucasus.  Saves you 4-6 transports.


    Japan needs a bit of tweaking.  For one, Tech Advantage should be identical to America’s NA.  Why nerf the Japanese one?  They already have the Kaiten and Kamikazee nerfs (lost equipment for possible results.)

    Tokyo Express can be a life saver if you are facing a K/SJF.  They function just like transports in NCM and like half a transport in CM, but they can bombard if you have CA and they can fight.


    Russian Rail:  Too powerful.  This needs to be scaled back to LHTR restrictions of what zones you can double move your infantry through.


    I’d also like to see Africa Corps replaced with naval water tight hatches:  you have to detect the submarines and then you have to roll at one less then your normal attack value to sink them.  (Destroyers would roll at 2 to hit them.)  Might be overly complicated to implement.

    Failing that, how about giving Stuka’s their SBR capabilities back?  1d6 / 2.  Then if Germany gets JP, they can use the Jets to replace the SBR damage on England that their submarines arn’t doing because they’re all dead.  (England, of course, will counter with Radar and their own JP to intercept.)


  • @Bean:

    I’m gonna start out with my thoughts on NAs, feel free to discuss I’m probably wrong in a lot of circumstances, but I want to learn. If I take a

    Russia’s
    1. Russian Winter-  😢 . What kills it - it is too defensive, and not particularly good at it. AARE appears to have a lot of focus on the many first skirmishes in a scramble for victory cities. Russian Winter is basically saying that you’re waiting for the Axis to come all the way next to Moscow before you can use it, and that usually doesn’t happen as the game is usually determined at some point before that. You may also get no further benefit from it than one extra turn from it, because the Axis can dance around active zones for a turn. A free turn is good don’t get me wrong, but it would seem to come at an awfully late part in the game while the Axis could be dictating it far before then.

    Suggestion: Russian Winter can be declared at the beginning of the Russian turn. At least this way you could use it on R1 to boost a Russian Triple attack, or at least it would take away the warning the Axis players get in the current embodiment declared at the end of your turn.

    I’ll comment right now only on this one as you are a bit off base.  Russian winter and the turn (or two) that it buys you is HUGE.  Remember most Enhanced games are over by rounds 10-12.  One round delay means 8-10% of the game you can stretch your self a little thin and still be covered.

    I’ve also used this very early in the game (After breaking the treaty) against Japan to hold my allied advances so it’s not always a later round NA.

    Allowing it to be declared on Russia beginning of the turn to utilize the offensive capabilty is too strong.  It IS a defensive NA, and giving offensive power the next round also defends those territories next turn or those units that move up could be destroyed.

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    Yes, but it’s value, compared with the ungodly power of Russian Rail, is minute at best.  It’s like telling a kid that if he cleans your garage you’ll give him a cookie when his mommy just bought him 25 boxes of cookies from the girl scouts.

    Sure, it’s a cookie, but why go through the work?

    Add to that the Allies coming in at Europe with 20+ destroyers (combined of course) and Combined Arms each and there’s no chance you’ll ever NEED to use Russian Winter.  Hell, the only thing I’ve been able to do so far is to build submarines like a mad woman with German to keep the allies from plopping down 2-3 destroyers EACH a round!


  • @Cmdr:

    Yes, but it’s value, compared with the ungodly power of Russian Rail, is minute at best.  It’s like telling a kid that if he cleans your garage you’ll give him a cookie when his mommy just bought him 25 boxes of cookies from the girl scouts.

    Sure, it’s a cookie, but why go through the work?

    Add to that the Allies coming in at Europe with 20+ destroyers (combined of course) and Combined Arms each and there’s no chance you’ll ever NEED to use Russian Winter.  Hell, the only thing I’ve been able to do so far is to build submarines like a mad woman with German to keep the allies from plopping down 2-3 destroyers EACH a round!

    yes Bean is doing this to me right now, and I am formulating the way I can beat him….

    It’s a bit of a challenge (and I like that!)

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    @axis_roll:

    @Cmdr:

    Yes, but it’s value, compared with the ungodly power of Russian Rail, is minute at best.  It’s like telling a kid that if he cleans your garage you’ll give him a cookie when his mommy just bought him 25 boxes of cookies from the girl scouts.

    Sure, it’s a cookie, but why go through the work?

    Add to that the Allies coming in at Europe with 20+ destroyers (combined of course) and Combined Arms each and there’s no chance you’ll ever NEED to use Russian Winter.  Hell, the only thing I’ve been able to do so far is to build submarines like a mad woman with German to keep the allies from plopping down 2-3 destroyers EACH a round!

    yes Bean is doing this to me right now, and I am formulating the way I can beat him….

    It’s a bit of a challenge (and I like that!)

    Yea, tell me about it!

    Best solution I have come up with is to convince him NOT to buy the bloody ships to start with!  The way I did that was to go Wolf Packs +5 Submarines and a Carrier on Germany 1! (2 IPC Bid to Germany, btw.)


  • I’ll comment right now only on this one as you are a bit off base.  Russian winter and the turn (or two) that it buys you is HUGE.  Remember most Enhanced games are over by rounds 10-12.  One round delay means 8-10% of the game you can stretch your self a little thin and still be covered.

    I’ve also used this very early in the game (After breaking the treaty) against Japan to hold my allied advances so it’s not always a later round NA.

    Allowing it to be declared on Russia beginning of the turn to utilize the offensive capabilty is too strong.  It IS a defensive NA, and giving offensive power the next round also defends those territories next turn or those units that move up could be destroyed.

    Thanks for your comment. I do think I am probably underestimating R. Winter. I think you can get it to give you +2 turns if you do it right, because let’s say if one force is ready to conk you right next to Moscow, you declare it, then instead of them attacking and taking Moscow, they are instead running back a square so as not to get hammered by mighty infantry at 2. +2 turns helps a lot. Or you could like you said declare it to hold a very important offensive zone for the critical turn it needs to stabilize.

    What I don’t like though is that it doesn’t generally dictate the pace of the game. The Axis is keenly aware of where it can be used. You are waiting for a mighty force to accumulate at Moscow’s doorstep, and it seems to me at my nooby state of experience that the game is determined long before a massive force arrives at Moscow’s doorstep. And like I’ve read, AARE is less about massive clashes of inf/land forces. R. Winter seems to play to the old style of thought, waiting for a big land clash.

    I think at least it is more of a second NA choice than a first one. Russian Rail is so good it’s not even funny, and in case you’re not going KGF, then you should probably pick conscripts first to wall up E. Asia.

    I’m glad you guys like the destroyer strategy. It’s the first thing that popped in my head looking at AARE. It just seemed to me the old style of shuck shuck to Europe is far too difficult, and I don’t like splitting forces between the 2 Axis nations, and KJF also seems too difficult as well, so I like to “abuse” the infinite economic attack potential of combined arms.


  • @Bean:

    What I don’t like though is that it doesn’t generally dictate the pace of the game. The Axis is keenly aware of where it can be used. You are waiting for a mighty force to accumulate at Moscow’s doorstep, and it seems to me at my nooby state of experience that the game is determined long before a massive force arrives at Moscow’s doorstep. And like I’ve read, AARE is less about massive clashes of inf/land forces. R. Winter seems to play to the old style of thought, waiting for a big land clash.

    Yes…. and no.  I’ve seen plenty of large battles when Germanys amassed quite a large ground force, usually very tank heavy due to panzerblitz and they come rolling to Ukraine <knock knock=“”>And what’s so wrong with the Allies letting the axis set the pace of the game?  They’re the allies, and most of the time they ARE reacting to the axis.

    @Bean:

    I’m glad you guys like the destroyer strategy. It’s the first thing that popped in my head looking at AARE. It just seemed to me the old style of shuck shuck to Europe is far too difficult, and I don’t like splitting forces between the 2 Axis nations, and KJF also seems too difficult as well, so I like to “abuse” the infinite economic attack potential of combined arms.

    I’m still thinking about my counter.  I have some thoughts…  :)</knock>


  • @Bean:

    I’m glad you guys like the destroyer strategy. It’s the first thing that popped in my head looking at AARE.

    Ah, so thats the uber destroyer strategy Jen mentioned.

    What were the thoughts (when you first looked at AARe)?

    Is it due to the gurantee tech?


  • Still thinking about the counter to Uber DD strat.

    I think this is not an unstoppable strategy.


  • I don’t think it’s unstoppable either. I just raise the bid to counter it  :mrgreen:

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    I don’t think it’s unstoppable either.  That’s why I’m trying the German submarine strategy to counter.  Submarines are cheaper and deadlier. 😛  (German submarines can attack at 4 or less, making them, in effect, really cheap, one hit battleships under the water.)

    But I don’t know how fiscally sound that strategy is.

    Speaking of which, the SAME strategy would work in AAR.  Destroyer Bombard did not change from AAR to AARe, you just got more goodies with the technology.


  • @Cmdr:

    Speaking of which, the SAME strategy would work in AAR.  Destroyer Bombard did not change from AAR to AARe, you just got more goodies with the technology.

    In Revised, you don’t get DD’s that cost only $9 (naval advantage) and a free inf (Pac Div) to help protect your back side against Japan.

    summarizing, it’s a lot EASIER to implement this in Enhanced.


  • @Bean:

    I don’t think it’s unstoppable either. I just raise the bid to counter it  :mrgreen:

    actually I know I would choose a different second Japanese NA if I saw this once again.

    You might have caught me having to run a less than efficient Axis strategy since I haven’t seen this version of the DD offshore strat.

    I still need to think a bit abot this, looking at a map.  I don’t have access to one right now.


  • I trust you will find a way. After all, you’re still riding on some hot round 1 dice, which could easily make up for the surprise factor.


  • @Bean:

    I trust you will find a way. After all, you’re still riding on some hot round 1 dice, which could easily make up for the surprise factor.

    True dat… without the dice, I would have to alter what I just did with Germany.

    Not that it was ground breaking or game winning, but my point was to agree with you that my hot dice are keeping me in this, as you say, overcoming the surprise factor


  • Also just curious Axis Roll, what do you think is the best method of dealing with a lot of German subs in the waters? Obviously the UK alone will take too long to deal with it, which just about forces the US to put some heavy investment into the Atlantic early on.

    And also, how does one fight effectively on two fronts? I’ve read a lot of things about how AARE is global, but it seems to me that splitting actions as the Allies is just as bad as in AAR, because each Axis power appears to be more able than ever to deal with a half-ass effort. Also I read something about naval action in every AARE game in the Pacific, but it seems detrimental to the US to put anything there unless it plans on winning.

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    Think you should preface that with a lot of German submarines with Wolf Packs and Super Submarines (making them VERY hard to detect and giving them LARGE attack bonuses.)


  • Yea I love wolfpacks. Makes a HUMONGOUS difference from AAR subs - cost $7, basically attack on 3, can’t be hit alone by air, muwahahahaha.  😛

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    And if you get Super Subs, they attack on 4.  Wish those bonuses applied to defense though.  Then Wolfpacks would be as broken as Russian Rail.


  • @Bean:

    Also just curious Axis Roll, what do you think is the best method of dealing with a lot of German subs in the waters? Obviously the UK alone will take too long to deal with it, which just about forces the US to put some heavy investment into the Atlantic early on.

    You don’t necessarioly need DDs to go after subs.  I’ve always been of the mind set that subs are effective sub killers in Enhanced.
    Also, Russia should be pushing hard on those less-than-maximum German ground units.

    Radar is certainly a very effective counter to the Wolf pack Germany strategy.

    @Bean:

    And also, how does one fight effectively on two fronts? I’ve read a lot of things about how AARE is global, but it seems to me that splitting actions as the Allies is just as bad as in AAR, because each Axis power appears to be more able than ever to deal with a half-a** effort. Also I read something about naval action in every AARE game in the Pacific, but it seems detrimental to the US to put anything there unless it plans on winning.

    The allies primary early game goal is to keep playing.  They may need to make some costly sacrifices to avoid a quick 10 VC axis grab.  However, the Axis can play a longer game effectively too.  The key for the allies is to recognize the Axis intentions.  Are they goign for a quick game or setting up for a longer one.

    There are 6 VCs within ‘easy’ reach for Japan, but Germany really has only 5 that are within ‘easy reach’, Moscow or London are much harder to attain.  These facts alone point out the importance of some sort of allied support in the pacific… wether that’s to HOLD a VC or to take it back (READ USA to the rescue)

    Cousin_Joe (Enhanced creator) once gave me some excellent advice about revised that speak to it’s global characteristics.  You focus on a theatre and win that first, winning several theatres will win you the war.  So US could assist in the battle of the atlantic while building enough fleet to hold the IJN at bay, and then return their main focus on the Pacific once UK has built enough navy to control the atlantic.

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    I don’t understand how Radar NA is an effective Submarine Counter.

    The only thing I can think of is the reduction in price of Combined Arms, but then it is Combined Arms that helps you kill submarines, NOT Radar.

    Anyway, Sub on Sub is good, but slow.  Subs+Destroyer on Subs is good however.  But then, what does England and America do with the extra submarines?


  • @Cmdr:

    I don’t understand how Radar NA is an effective Submarine Counter.

    The only thing I can think of is the reduction in price of Combined Arms, but then it is Combined Arms that helps you kill submarines, NOT Radar.

    Why else would you take radar?
    I guess for Jet power, but the cheap combined arms REALLY helps UK to win the batttle of the Atlantic.

    You get better sub detection with your DDs, and a floating AA gun in your BB, that… oh, shoots at a 2 with Radar.  tough for the German 1-2 punch (sub/planes) to sink that UK fleet.

    And then once you’ve removed the sub threat, you can do offshores.

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    And to shoot down V2 rockets 33% of the time, and to assist in defending Australia, and for the free AA Gun to use with Rockets, etc.


  • So US could assist in the battle of the atlantic while building enough fleet to hold the IJN at bay, and then return their main focus on the Pacific once UK has built enough navy to control the atlantic.

    Curiously, that doesn’t seem a whole lot different than the way some players to it in AAR. For instance, Darth Maximus is a fan of first using the US to control the Atlantic/Atlantic, then switching to a massive Pacific Navy in AAR. I agree it can be more rewarding in AARE due to the victory cities the Allies can reclaim in the Pacific as well as convoy raiding Japan, but I think AARE is still very AAR in the core sense that you do have to focus on winning one theater before moving on to the next, it’s not global in the sense that you can split your efforts down the middle and expect to win.

    And with the comment on subs being good sub killers, I agree that they are, but that I have to echo Jen’s comment that what are you going to use all those subs for after you’re done killing Germany’s subs? They’re a very long way from Japan, and they won’t do a thing to Germany. I think some combination of destroyers/fighters is best to wipe out Germany’s navy because they do have some fairly immediate use after done with the navy, they are “dual use” units. Subs are somewhat dual use in the sense that they can convoy raid, but talking about Allied subs in the Atlantic and they’re not so dual use.

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