Presidential Election (as a current event- watch the tone or it's gone)


  • China and the USSR did not advocate Libertarian Socialism (or anarcho-communism), but a far more iron-fisted government run version of communism.  If people are free, they will naturally realize it makes more sense to pool resources and work towards a better communtiy.  The communism used in China and the USSR was simply another form of working class exploitation (except by a totalitarian government rather than the owners of capital), but under the guise of ‘class equality’ and redistribution.

    I mean classic liberalism as in the type advocated by Thomas Paine, which is essentially libertarianism.  The term was simply morphed into the 1920’s to mean soft socialism instead of the more laissez-faire economics of classic liberalism.  Its the same way how ‘conservative’ went from following the protected rights of the constitution to the word, to its new definition in the media of any politician that doesnt like gay people.  Its actually pretty sad that such definite terms have gotten lost in the haze of media.

    EDIT:  Well I think we can all agree that whether one favors people living in communes and a classless society or people having complete rights to their claimed property, government intervention into either field is one of society’s ills.

  • 2007 AAR League

    why would hillary even bring up the the whole lewinsky scandal?  even if asked about her most difficult time.  just bad memories.  she did get a standing ovation for it though.  why?  reminding people you cant please your husband?

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  • '19 Moderator

    @Cmdr:

    “I do not know a single problem that cannot be eased by throwing money at it.”  Senator Barrack Obama - IL Senate.

    I can think of a couple problems that would be eased if I threw Barack Obama at them…


  • Their is some picture of Hussein Obama wearing a Muslim costume.I still looking for it and will post. I knew something was up once nation of Islam endorsed him.

    here it is. All he needs now is an RPG and hes good to go. :-D :-D :-D :mrgreen:  ( that was a joke BTW)

    http://sweetness-light.com/archive/obama-wore-muslim-gear-during-kenya-trip

  • 2007 AAR League

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article3433485.ece

    well, is he still the agent of change.  and will democrats fall for that kind of talk again.

    if i remember correctly, the reason the dems got congress in 2006 is people were sick of a bad plan in iraq and wanted change.  the dems “promised” change like always, and then like always, spit in their supporters faces and then tell them to keep voting for them.  and some people do, b/c jon stewart tells them to.

    obama is not going to be an agent for change.  unless change means ineptness.  and thats not really change either.


  • All this talk of ‘change’… Reminds me of the South Park episode where the bums showed up and kept asking Cartman for change. Wouldn’t it be funny if Obama after all of this was talking about quarters and dimes, and he started throwing bags of coins out the windows of the white house telling people: “I promised change and here it is… now go choke on it… Allah Ackbar!” And shot an RPG out the white house window. That would make an excellent comic strip.

    :roll: :evil:

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    Actually, I believe, that outfit was an elder’s outfit for a tribe in Africa and the turbin was added recently with photoshop.  Could be wrong on that however.  Wardrobe of my elected officials just does not score as high as statements like all problems can be solved by throwing more money at them, to tell you the truth.

    BTW, if Hillary is elected, do we play “The Imperial March” or “The Ghost March” at her coronation?


  • @Cmdr:

    BTW, if Hillary is elected, do we play “The Imperial March” or “The Ghost March” at her coronation?

    Get Bill to play Yakety Sax (the Benny Hill theme) on his alto.

  • '19 Moderator

    I guess we don’t need to discuss it any more…

    http://www.theonion.com/content/video/diebold_accidentally_leaks


  • @Imperious:

    Their is some picture of Hussein Obama wearing a Muslim costume.I still looking for it and will post. I knew something was up once nation of Islam endorsed him.

    here it is. All he needs now is an RPG and hes good to go. :-D :-D :-D :mrgreen:  ( that was a joke BTW)

    http://sweetness-light.com/archive/obama-wore-muslim-gear-during-kenya-trip

    Was everything you said a joke, or just the RPG thing?  FYI, Kenya is not a Muslim nation and that isn’t Muslim garb.


  • @dezrtfish:

    I guess we don’t need to discuss it any more…

    http://www.theonion.com/content/video/diebold_accidentally_leaks

    When I first saw that headline the other day I thought it was real. Which goes to show my confidence in the security of electronic voting systems and faith in the administration to resist exploiting them. ~ZP


  • Was everything you said a joke, or just the RPG thing?  FYI, Kenya is not a Muslim nation and that isn’t Muslim garb.

    Does it please you to no end to attempt to find even the smallest angle to make a jab at me? I find it entertaining anyway.

    Yes -THE WHOLE THING- was a joke as i stated. And jokes are just fine.

    Muslims are everywhere. I could put on Muslim garb and take a picture of me in New York and you can say the same thing. It makes no difference where the picture was taken only that the clothes are ‘Muslim like’.

  • 2007 AAR League

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/27/mccain.obama.iraq/index.html

    the exchange b/w McCain and Obama.

    1st.  obama says he would strike al-qaeda if it established a base in iraq.  ( i have problems with this, al-qaeda is in iraq.  if obama didnt know that, he’s stupid, and that statement just screams ignorance.  but he’s qualified right.

    2nd.  McCain says al-qaeda is in iraq right now.  and we should fight them now.

    3rd.  Obama retorts that al-qaeda wasnt in iraq until we invaded.  and we should brings the troops home.

    what sense does this make.  obama says he’ll attack al-qaeda in iraq.  but al-qaeda already there he’ll surreneder to.  and then attack later al-qaeda.  has he taken up crack again?

  • 2007 AAR League

    and notice how cnn refuses to explain the poll at the bottom of the article as “McCain now winning nationwide in polls”.  thats how the USA today had it headlined for an article today.  cnn couldnt even bring itself to say this.  and the usatoday is a left paper.

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    Why is McCain apologizing because someone from his rally dared to use Obama’s given middle name?  Where are the floods of apologies from the masses for daring to use President Bush’s middle initial when referring to him!?!?!  At least the guy had the decency to use his FULL name, not just refer to him as an initial.

    Honestly, this is just ANOTHER thing true conservatives have against good ol Johnny.  Why Johnny can’t be the Republican nominee, the movie.  Trailer at 11!

    /sigh.

    And Hillary is bitching that the media is against her?  Uhm, so basically, the media is treating her like a Republican.  So?

    And why is this baseball guy getting charged for lying to Congress?  Bill Clinton flat out lied to Congress on a number of occasions, admitted it on national television and wasn’t charged.  That means NO MAN SHOULD BE CHARGED FOR LYING TO CONGRESS.  We do not have royalty in this nation, all men are to be equal in the eyes of the law.  Thus, if it’s okay for one to lie to Congress, then it’s okay for EVERYONE to lie to Congress.


  • It kind of pisses me off to read things about WELL IF CLINTON COULD DO IT THEN WHY CANT (insert liar here), it seems like thats a rallying cry for anyone that didnt like him.  It was wrong when clinton did it.  Unfortunately, me and you dont have control over these things.  Dont pin it on Clinton for the way OTHER people have chosen to treat him, pin it on those who made the ruling.  People arent treated like royalty because they are royalty, they are royalty because they are treated as such.

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    Cobert:

    It just HAPPENS to have been Clinton.  It could have been Joe Blow for all I care.  You cannot chose to apply the laws of this nation to certain people and not others.  There’s no royalty.  No one is above the law.  If it’s okay for one person to lie to Congress and not get fined, put in jail, removed from office, whatever; then it’s okay for ALL CITIZENS to do the same thing without penalty.

    Sorry.  But you trying to white wash this with a holier then thou attitude is not going to work.  He broke the law, it was decided the law did not apply, thus, the law does not apply to EVERYONE.  The law, effectively, was repealed because it was not applied to one person.  A person who happened to hold the highest office in the land and thus should have been held to the highest possible standards, especially in regards to the LAW.  Thus, I have to assume that he DID live by the HIGHEST standards in regards to following the law and thus, THE LAW DOES NOT EXIST.


  • Going off topic…


  • It just HAPPENS to have been Clinton.  It could have been Joe Blow for all I care.  You cannot chose to apply the laws of this nation to certain people and not others.  There’s no royalty.  No one is above the law.  If it’s okay for one person to lie to Congress and not get fined, put in jail, removed from office, whatever; then it’s okay for ALL CITIZENS to do the same thing without penalty.

    Sorry.  But you trying to white wash this with a holier then thou attitude is not going to work.  He broke the law, it was decided the law did not apply, thus, the law does not apply to EVERYONE.  The law, effectively, was repealed because it was not applied to one person.  A person who happened to hold the highest office in the land and thus should have been held to the highest possible standards, especially in regards to the LAW.  Thus, I have to assume that he DID live by the HIGHEST standards in regards to following the law and thus, THE LAW DOES NOT EXIST.

    It was decided by a few judges, not by the entire population.  What he did was wrong.  They made the wrong decision in letting him off with that.  Its not like they can impeach him now.  The fact that is was revealed that he lied to congress should be enough of a mar on his reputation.

    Im not whitewashing this at all and I see nothing holier than thou about my post.  I never said it was right for him to lie, I in fact directly stated it was wrong.  Im also not trying to protect Clinton. I was only born in 1989, so its not like I was into politics during his administration, so I have no opinions about his policies and I cant take sides in any argument about his presidency.

    One person escaping a penalty does not make it right for others to do so, it makes him and the people that let him escape just more wrong.  OJ Simpson got away with murder (okay well he never came out and said that but cmon), that doesnt mean its alright for everyone to murder.  Its tragic that these things happen, where people evade punishment, but they do happen.  If I were to lie to congress that would be no more right or wrong than if it were the president standing accused, and it would be no more right or wrong for he to get away with it than I.

    Also….why are baseball players even being charged for lying to congress? This steroids thing has gotten out of hand.

    Going off topic…

    Why isnt political discussion allowed in this forum?


  • @Imperious:

    Was everything you said a joke, or just the RPG thing?  FYI, Kenya is not a Muslim nation and that isn’t Muslim garb.

    Does it please you to no end to attempt to find even the smallest angle to make a jab at me? I find it entertaining anyway.

    Yes -THE WHOLE THING- was a joke as i stated. And jokes are just fine.

    Muslims are everywhere. I could put on Muslim garb and take a picture of me in New York and you can say the same thing. It makes no difference where the picture was taken only that the clothes are ‘Muslim like’.

    All I hear is wah wah wah, Muslim, wah.

    Me : you is like you : muslims

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