Presidential Election (as a current event- watch the tone or it's gone)


  • 2007 AAR League

    Can we pleeeeeaaaase have like one topic about the US 08 Presidential Race?
    It’s so close and everything and so groundbreaking …
    We wouldn’t have to bring back PD but just have like 1 topic about it. :roll:



  • i second that. I think its a good idea and its only one topic and is sorta important.


  • 2018 2017 '16 '11 Moderator

    It can’t be close yet, we’ve only had one primary election, we don’t even know who the final candidates are going to be yet!


  • 2019 Moderator

    I gota say I would have loved to discuss a “caucus” with someone who has been to one, especialy a Democratic one.


  • 2018 2017 '16 '11 Moderator

    Only been one Caucus so far.  There’s another one on Saturday.

    So far, however, Huckabee and Obama are leading.  Runner ups are Romney and Edwards (yea, you read that right, Clinton is in THIRD place, amazing isn’t it?)



  • wait, i thought political discustions wern’t allowed hear. how can you have a discusion about the presidental election with out that?
    or is this a one time situation deal?


  • 2018 2017 '16 '11 Moderator

    AJ’s calling for a one thread deal just about the candidates of the election.



  • has a presidence been set for this before? what i mean has any one asked and been aproved or denied on this kind of thing before.

    i think it’s a good idea but some ground rules may need to be set before it’s started.
    like no be littleing of people based on any reason expetally there views (canidents though are fair game).
    some other “controls” would be good too.


  • 2018 2017 '16 '11 Moderator

    Yea, in 1999 the Political Boards were created to discuss the election and aftermath of the election between George Bush and Algore


  • 2019 Moderator

    As I see it so far this is a current events discussion, I may be out voted, but I think as long as we can avoid discussing political oppinion it’s ok with me.  Notice I haven’t mentioned who my favorite is or how he did…

    I think the process in interesting, from a cultural stand point.

    Jen, when I said “been to a caucus” I meant ever, as in previous years.  It sounds like fun to me, but since I’ve never been to one I wouldn’t know.



  • i don’t think you can have this kind of talk with out it turnning political as it is a political race.
    as for your (dezrtfish) edit of Jen’s statment above, i think she was meaning that it’s amazing that she got 3rd and not higher with all the media around her and the Clinton publicity machine behind her. i’m not saying my political view on this, just that it’s strange that she fell to 3rd and not 2nd at lowest… expetally with her being the Dem fav.

    @dezrtfish:

    I gota say I would have loved to discuss a “caucus” with someone who has been to one, especialy a Democratic one.

    if any thing this seams to me to be more political then Jen’s statment as you brought a perticular party up. is it because you would want to go to the Dem Caucus because you support the Dems or because you would get a good laugh out of it. ether interpritation would be political.



  • @Pervavita:

    i don’t think you can have this kind of talk with out it turnning political as it is a political race.
    as for your (dezrtfish) edit of Jen’s statment above, i think she was meaning that it’s amazing that she got 3rd and not higher with all the media around her and the Clinton publicity machine behind her. i’m not saying my political view on this, just that it’s strange that she fell to 3rd and not 2nd at lowest… expetally with her being the Dem fav.

    @dezrtfish:

    I gota say I would have loved to discuss a “caucus” with someone who has been to one, especialy a Democratic one.

    if any thing this seams to me to be more political then Jen’s statment as you brought a perticular party up. is it because you would want to go to the Dem Caucus because you support the Dems or because you would get a good laugh out of it. ether interpritation would be political.

    why does it matter? no one is going to die pervavita. the only reason political discussion was band was because it got out of hand and degenerated into name calling. We should be creatures of reason not of law. (bad things happen when people care more about what the law is than what is right) If we don’t degrade to insulting each other then this discussion should be fine. This is just my opinion  though.


  • 2018 2017 '16 '11 Moderator

    Dezrt didn’t edit anything out of my statement, he just pointed out that some may take my statement as “politically motivated” not what it is, amazement that after all the talk of her being inevitable and guaranteed to be on the ballot in November that she came in third place in the first primary.  Not saying she’ll win or lose or that she should win or lose, just kinda shocked at how poor her results were given all the media hype.


  • 2007 AAR League

    How about a temporary board to discuss the election…just about everyone here is already talking about it.



  • I am running with DF on this one…

    Major current event, discuss away.  It is an important topic, and there is a lot of practical and worthwhile stuff to discuss regarding this mass of primaries that will effectively select the candidates by Feb 5.

    However, if it becomes the type of worthless diatribe that pervaded the previous PD, it will be locked and sealed away hidden immediately (no name calling, none of the grandiose stereotype statements, etc.)


  • 2018 2017 '16 '11 Moderator

    Good, then other then me, who else was utterly shocked that Hillary came in THIRD!?!?  I mean, Obama in First or Hillary in First with the other in second I was expecting.  But Hillary in Third?  That was a major surprise and a huge upset for the Clintons.



  • Par for the course with the Clintons in Iowa.  As I recall, Bill did terribly there in 92.  Though Bill also did not actively campaign there.  And Hillary does not have Bill’s charisma.

    I am surprised that Obama beat Edwards in Iowa.  Even though he narrowly edged Hillary for 2nd place, I think that just about finishes Edwards.  Anything other than a solid win in New Hampshire and he is toast.


  • 2018 2017 '16 '11 Moderator

    My honest opinion was that Edwards wasn’t going to place in the top two in any state, let alone the first one.

    Dunno how well Billy did.  I have been told that Ronald lost the Iowa caucus his first time out.  Then again, even if that was true, Iowa’s not exactly known as a bastion for Republican glory, if you know what I mean.


  • 2007 AAR League

    i’ll chime in by saying this.  i hope,  i hope,  i just freaking hope we have an election in
    Nov 08  &  a new president in Jan 09.  thats not asking for too much is it?


  • 2018 2017 '16 '11 Moderator

    Kinda depends on the personality of the loser and how close the election is.  Not how close the VOTE is, how close the ELECTION is.  There is a difference.  It’s happened any number of times that the president lost the vote, but won the election.



  • i was simply pointing out that IMHO dezrtfish’s statment seamed to be more political then Jen’s and he was telling her to be careful, i didn’t say he edited in the way of taking out any thing.
    it’s hard for you to talk about a political race and not talk politics, it’s just the nature of it.

    with what Jen just said, i think we had it happen 3 times in the past. i could be remembering wrong though.


  • 2007 AAR League

    edwards needed a second place finish to be alive down the road.  with him still in it, any suprises that destroy peoples electability can be spread through three people……him, clinton, and obama.

    i think that pollsters at the very end(b/c hillary was beating him until the end) decided it would be better to have 3 people still able to be a candidate rather than 2, and switched 1% point.

    but hey, thats just crazy talk.

    other than this, why in the heck dont people like Mccain.  he hasnt done anything bad…he’s a maverick in the senate, votes both ways,  he isnt a loyal soldier for the republicans(IMHO a good thing), was right on the way all along(need more troops), has true social conservative values (not like romney the liar and guiliani the fake), and called southern evangelicals freakin’ nuts…what else to people want?



  • McCain isn’t liked by the Democrats because he has an “R” next to his name and by the far left because of his support of the millitary, so he can’t win or sway there votes.
    he is disliked by the Republicans because he has had as you say “votes both ways”, he has voted for things that Republicans and the Right don’t agree with in the past and this hurts him a lot. you can’t vote against your base and expect your Base to support you.
    i will say this, McCain and Guiliani are the best two on the war, but they hold values (for diffrent reasons) that are hard for the Conservatives to stand behind.


  • 2007 AAR League

    what values does he hold that conservatives dont like.  he is a social conservative.



  • McCain-Feingold comes immediately to mind.  As does his partnerships with Kennedy on several major issues.  And then there is his support of what the Right called the “Amnesty Bill”

    Also, Rush Limbaugh has been doing a hatchet job on McCain since before the South Carolina Primary in 2000, and has never let up.  That is 10-20 million Conservative voters every week that hear an repeated and vehement anti-McCain message, and have been hearing it for 8 consecutive years now…


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