• '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    Russia too had convoys coming to it from America and England over the north of Scandinavia, didn’t it?


  • yes Lend lease came from/ to Archangel in the north, Persia in the south, and limited transports from Barents sea


  • Yes, any potential convoy rule would be applies to lend lease too.


  • @Cmdr:

    Russia too had convoys coming to it from America and England over the north of Scandinavia, didn’t it?

    Russian income levels already reflect on poor supply routes (IMHO)
    Enabling USSR to lose money due to convoy raids with current income levels would be very harmful to the russian war effort, so much so it might not be very playable.


  • “Russia income levels already reflect on poor supply routes” and “convoys coming to it from America”…

    thats brings to what different players think of convoys and IPC in the game.

    To me convoys from US is lend lease and is separate from USSR income.

    You could of course refer to IPC as income of a territory provided it receives it normal trade. In which case all shore territories should be targetable by convoy raids.

    But I like to refer to IPC as war material.

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    Yea, well, I’ve always been rather miffed that Russia didn’t get a pay increase in Revised.

    I’d like to see Russia upped to 28 IPC (SFE, Bury, Yak and Evenki upped to 2 IPC) and then putting submarines in SZ 15/16 could get up to 4 IPC from Russia in convoy raids. (Moscow is immune, obviously, and, I believe, the only IC that starts on the board that is not adjacent to the water.)


  • @tekkyy:

    Thats got the problem of not relating to construction.
    The IC might not even be in use. (Or might be receving material via.)

    But this is a classic design for effect… the USA should not be able to ignore U-boats sitting off the Eastern Sea-board. There was a lot of American shipping that went up and down the US coast, and around into the Gulf of Mexico.

    The Germans had a field day here with oil tankers and what not before coast black-outs were put in place.

    So, although the effect itself might be a little off - the desired result is that the US does not let U-boats sit off the coast of the US because it harms their industry… so it forces the historical play of the US working hard to clear U-boats of the Eastern seaboard.

    As for the UK - then it makes perfect sense, as the UK was vulnerable to blockade - and a lot of British war material was shipped in from the US, including parts to make bigger weapons.

    So the 2ipc adjacent, and 1 ipc 2 zones away is a perfect rule which forces historical play - and it’s simple to cacluate.

    The only funky bit is the U-boats in the Baltic - but then the first U-boats hit the UK from there anyway, and a German player will want his uboats in the Atlantic as they are twice as effective (deny UK IPC and US IPC anyway).

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    Honestly, I wish AARe had re-zoned the seas.  There needs to be twice as many sea zones to get around in the Atlantic and Pacific.

    I guess a simple solution would be limit ships to one sea zone movement, instead of two.


  • @templeton:

    @tekkyy:

    Thats got the problem of not relating to construction.
    The IC might not even be in use. (Or might be receving material via.)

    But this is a classic design for effect… the USA should not be able to ignore U-boats sitting off the Eastern Sea-board. There was a lot of American shipping that went up and down the US coast, and around into the Gulf of Mexico.

    Yeah. This then comes to my other idea of convoy raids hitting commerical shippping. In which case territories without IC can be hit too, but as 50% effectiveness or something.

    Although if you say IPC are purely war capacity/resources then this wouldn’t be.
    Like you could say US can go without Rhone wines for now.


  • @Cmdr:

    I guess a simple solution would be limit ships to one sea zone movement, instead of two.

    But would that not ruin the game in the Pacific to some degree…?

    Shipping of this era was not so slow. They could get accross the Atlantic pretty quick.

    Besides, as abstract as Axis and Allies is, it is more realistic to have IPC loss rather than entire armoured corps sunk during transit.

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