Another look at the SAF IC

I have to agree.  IC in Brazil seems less then optimal.

Why not just have two transports bring units from America to Brazil and two more from brazil over for an extra 1 IPC?  Now you are bringing 4 units, not 3.

Of course, a Brazil IC is great for Japan. =)

Of course, a Brazil IC is great for Japan. =)

yep sure is

ok if your bringing the troops up for an attack on WEU for the 1 turn transport, i can see, but again wouldn’t it be better to save the $ and transport the men from US into Africa and then use those same transports the next turn to drop those troops +1 extra off in EU.
if this plan is for an invasion, it seams like a stupid plan as 3 units arn’t going to do much of a landing, expetally when the US should already have a mass transport chain in effect between US and Africa. all your realy doing is speeding up 3 units a turn that if you invested that same money into 2 transports could be bringing over 4 units and over the course of 2 turns the US transports are now out performing the vary small advantage that the Brazil complex gave.
example

US1
build complex in Brazil
US2
trani and 2 land units
US3
land 2 land units in Africa OR WEU
Build 1 trani and 2 land units
US4
tranis’ swap spots, land 2 land units
Build 1 trani and 2 land units
US5
1 trani swaps again, land 2 units
build 3 land units
US6
2 tranis drop 3 land units, 1 trani returns to Brazil
Build 1 and 2

it took 6 turns to drop 3 units well keeping consistent transport chanes going, and this is in a perfect world where the Germans won’t see this easy target and send fighters against it.
if they stocked, then it would be 3 units every other turn.
had they inported Tranis from US, then ya more would arive faster, but it would slow the US transport of MORE troops from the EUS

compaired to spending the money on US tranis
US1
build 2 tranis, build 4 ground units
US2
Build 2 tranis, build 4 ground units
transport 4 ground units to Africa
US3
build 2 tranis, build 4 ground units
transport 4 ground units to Africa
Transport from africa 4 ground units to WEU, SEU, or a few places along the African coast.

this gives 4 units not 3 doing exactly what the Brazil complex did in half the time and gave more flex as it could strike more locations.
Brazil can’t add any real value to a US stratagy other then it means the US is diverting resources in a diffrent place and in effect slowing there war on Germany.

@Pervavita:

if this plan is for an invasion, it seams like a stupid plan as 3 units arn’t going to do much of a landing, expetally when the US should already have a mass transport chain in effect between US and Africa. all your realy doing is speeding up 3 units a turn that if you invested

Pardon me for offering another use of the Brazilian IC other than to support Africa.

I prefaced my post with the fact that it was meant to be a bit of a boost on an all out push into WEU.  In fact, they are many ‘optimal’ way to accomplish the movement of troops, but at times the need to have troops in certain areas before they can be moved is the optimal strategic move, maybe not the most efficient method.

Too many individuals are tied into scripted moves and ultra-optimal ways to ‘win’ the game.  Being able to adjust your strategy as needed is more important, IMHO.  It also is a major differentiator between good and great players.

I won’t stoop so low as to call your opinion stupid.
I have seen many good players utilize a US IC in Brazil.

Like MANY other options in this game, alot depends on what’s happened/is happening in the game.

it was not ment to be an attack on you, and i am sorry if it came off as such.
i was stating that (although worded poor) that the strat was not a good one as it could be done more economicly in a diffrent way.

now flexability i agree with, you should always have a flexable strat, and i am always for trying new things. i just didn’t see this as a viable one, i have considered it in games but never saw any time that it could help the Allies in any way, but i have on the other hand sceen many times as Japan i would love the US to waist the money on it.

@Cmdr:

I have to agree.  IC in Brazil seems less then optimal.

Why not just have two transports bring units from America to Brazil and two more from brazil over for an extra 1 IPC?  Now you are bringing 4 units, not 3.

Of course, a Brazil IC is great for Japan. =)

Thanks, once again my post was completely misread. I did not say I would like to build a Brazil complex. I did not say it was optimal, or even a good idea.

I simply think that it is less silly than a UK complex in UoSA. The UK cannot afford it, it is less safe, it produces less units, and UK has less airforce to have fooling around in Africa.

I have to conclude logically that if you think the Brazil complex sucks, that the UK complex in UoSA sucks even harder.

Yes, but England is also hamstrung by England producing maximum 8 units a round.

S. Africa at least lets them hold Africa easier.  Australia is just too far away from anything to be worth anything, either to Japan taking it, or England holding it.

England to me never gets hamstrung by 8 units a round. I struggle very hard to get more than $32 per round against a competent Axis player, because of losing so much territory in the Pacific/Asia. I think it’s silly for the UK to build a complex anywhere, even Norway, because at some point you will dip below $32 and say to yourself, why I do have 11 production spots but am using only 8? Why did I pay for those extra 3 production spots with no units?

America can easily afford to fight for Africa; UK cannot.

If England has issues with a build limit of 8, then there are better choices for an IC… Norway (which they almost certainly hold if they have build limit issues) or even ECan.

Both are better options than UOSA.

I disagree with East Canada better than South Africa. Canada still needs trannies for being usable, SAf not. If Japan is not careful, Saf complex can mean armors runing to Caucasus…

Of course, Norway is OK, but better with the USA.

I think we need to look at the England complex in a different light.

If England gets a FREE complex, where should they put it? (Prior to Russia 1.)

Why?  Because that’s the majority of complexes England gets.  Not many people are buying Complexes for England until much later in the game when they can put them up in W. Europe or Norway. :P

So, to me the choices are:

1. S. Africa (2)
2. E. Canada (3)
3. Australia (2)
4. India (3)

And that’s pretty much the order i would put them in.  Unless there are some neat things going on with America and Russia that can help reinforce India faster.  Then it might change.

I like E. Canada over Australia because you can invest in a 5th & 6th Transport (something some of you want to do ANYWAY) with England and be landing 10 troops a round in Asia. 2 From E. Canada to England. 10 From England to North Europe.