Rolling Dice and the Providence of God

well johnny, i guess your sylable count chased them away  :lol:

its a pitty, because i was looking froward to some more stories :mrgreen:

God can be a touchy subject for sure, but as they say “there are no atheists in a foxhole”

but He is the one who will reach them in their own time (hopefully) and show them what they need to know :mrgreen:

The argument over god or whatever exsisting has been done over and over here. So, any poster who has been here for any length of time has seen this before. There is no convincing  one side or the other, so people stop posting about it. Been there, done that. It’s still kind of fun once in a while to get into it though.

but He is the one who will reach them in their own time (hopefully) and show them what they need to know

But Odin is the one who will reach them in their own time (hopefully) and show them what they need to know.

I forget who it was that said in response to Christianity something like “We are all atheists. For the same reasons you disbelieve in other gods, I disbelieve in your God. I just believe in one less god than you do.”

our god forgives, others punish…  you can be a terrible person your entire life and still go to heaven.  its your choice at the end, but heavan and god himself might not agree with your views.  would you accept the entire way you lived was wrong, just say sorry, and enjoy eternal life in paradise, you can do infinite things at infinite times, your own little slice of omnipresecne.  or would you just say, if that is what you are all about God, i disagree and would rather spend eternity with my own ways rather than yours.  its your own choice at the very end. doesnt matter what you’ve done.

thats the God of christianity, spoken through christ, and accepted by the faithful.  what other god, by any other religion is so forgiving? i dont know of one.  i like the forgiving god rather than the angry wrathful mean SOB style God that other religions endorse. or plural gods for some.

that seems like the best

balungaloaf;

when you talk of God and Christ your tone and clarity improve dramatically  :mrgreen:

remember you are an ambassador of Christ when posting elsewhere as well.  for this reason alone others will seek to provoke us into responding in ways that validate themselves and their positions.  we canot allow them to draw us into such behavior by reciprocating.  they are mislead, they are POW’s if you will, they will be given another chance (and another, and another and…)

@balungaloaf:

what other god, by any other religion is so forgiving?

THe jewish God. But wait the muslim God and the christian God are the same as the Jewish one. But jews are dammned to hell beacuse they do not belive in christ thats why you have to convert them. that seems like a forgiving God. so how can God be forgiving to christians and not jews if they belive in him. thats the basic prinicple of christianity. right?

God is God, we try and define him in human terms (and always have) or in terms of the physical properties of nature (always have even longer) and we continually grasp at concepts beyond our physical universe and fail to fully comprehend them.  God exists outside of the physical universe otherwise creation (big bang, et al) would not be possible.  so please forgive me if i come up short in my attempts to describe Him in language that does not enable me to do so :|

@cyan:

so how can God be forgiving to christians and not jews if they belive in him. thats the basic prinicple of christianity. right?

but why is this so from a forgiving God? this is what i asked not how the universe was created and how big God is.  8-)

he is forgiving of jews, and muslims, and hindu’s, and budhists, and taoists,…. hell he even forgives those unitarians.(silly buch those guys) :-P

just because other people say god will damn someone doesnt make it so.  all you gotta do is say sorry one final time and accept that you may have been wrong on this earth.  doesnt sound tough to do.  i do believe that jesus is the redeemer and i cant fathom the people who demand that you be of one faith to get to heavan.  even the pope said thats BS.

but muslims and jews on the other hand, same with hindu’s(a god of war or something)  love it when you kill the “others”  god is happy, thats what he wants you to do.  kill the “others” thats crap.  if you think about it, so that would mean god made all of us non thems just to be killed by them.  and god is happy.  and people still consider judaism, islam and christianity equal.  i dont.

jesus never instructed people to kill others.  he might be down for protecting others though. thats why we have a “just war theory” very good stuff. this god talk.

what about the crusades? the JEwish, Christian and Muslim God are all the same God so killing the other God amkes no sense. If God forgives all then what was the piont of Jesus?

to tell you God forgives all. and to trust in him(christ)

God loves all mankind.  :mrgreen: it is mankind that twists God’s message to his personal use.  :cry:

You can believe whatever makes you feel nice and cozy. Thats what religion is for. To hide your head in the sand while the world goes about its way with all of the violence and suffering and death that is involved. I dont care about what a religious persons version of the world is. If people want to live in a cartoon Universe where anything is possible,so be it. But when you start to enact local,state and federal laws based on biblical nonsense or have national policy based on armegeddon and the “end times”,thats when I will confront the religious nuts head on.  People have been saying the end of the world is right around the corner for two thousand years and yet here we are. Question: Does anyone here remember 500 years ago? Answer: No because you were dead.
                    Its odd that no-one has mentioned my criticism of Genesis. But I know why. No-one can rationally explain all the fantastic lapses in logic concerning it. I am always amazed how frightened people are to question the beliefs they were taught as children. As we mature,we eventually let go of Santa,tooth fairies, the boogey man. But we cling to these afterlife things and are afraid to let go of them. Its completely understandable,though. It takes a strong person to accept the fact that life is random and this mortal life is all that there is. Any wimp can say " I believe!! I believe despite what is in front of my eyes!!". Faith is a weakness of the human mind. What is the difference,really, if a scientist says " You are just an ape that evolved from slime over billions of years " or a christian preacher saying “You are just dirt that sins.” They are both quite depressing,except we have massive evidence for one (evolution)and scant,pathetic,mostly written evidence for the other.Christians now-a-days should really take history lessons about the church because there is a lot they can learn. They seem to think that the church just tolled bells,had mass and everyone was happy for the last two millenia. Actually,they were involved in some of the most heinous crimes in histroy,including the Holocaust,slavery and stealing money and labor from the poor to build their eyesores. 
                                              I would be a believer if there was the evidence for it. If there were THE BIBLE,the one-and-only unaltered BIBLE,where I could go and look at it,kind of like the Declaration of Independence and say to myself " This is THE BIBLE,the ORIGINAL BIBLE,completely written in its scribble-dot-dash format (not English of course) yet there it is. It cannot be burned or pages torn out because this is THE BIBLE,the LITERAL WORD OF GOD and cannot be destroyed or altered ,no matter what a mortal does to it. Is there such a thing? No. The Bible,especially the New Testament,was written over hundreds of years,edited,diluted,re-copied in error by monks,so it is just a plain old book. Nothing special.