Addition to "Happy Birthday America" Thread



  • @Cystic:

    sorry, Canada IS a part of the G8 (we’ve hosted it a few times.As is the US, Russia, Japan, Germany, Britain, France and Italy.
    The Cystic Crypt. . .
    i was thinking of changing my name to “Crypt Abscess” - anyone else think that’s a good idea?

    Wait… didn’t you just say that Canada wasn’t part of G8?

    @Cystic:

    know one that isn’t - Canada.
    We have less right to be at the table than Brazil, i’m guessing. Nice to have a powerful ally who wants more N.A. support.

    I kind of expected they [Canada] were, but I could be wrong on that.

    BTW: I like good ol’ Cystic Crypt just the way it is.



  • Don’t worry Fisternis, It will probably annexed by Switzerland soon.

    And it does have a right to exist, they speak German and are Catholic :lol:



  • @TG:

    @Cystic:

    sorry, Canada IS a part of the G8 (we’ve hosted it a few times.As is the US, Russia, Japan, Germany, Britain, France and Italy.
    The Cystic Crypt. . .
    i was thinking of changing my name to “Crypt Abscess” - anyone else think that’s a good idea?

    Wait… didn’t you just say that Canada wasn’t part of G8?

    @Cystic:

    know one that isn’t - Canada.
    We have less right to be at the table than Brazil, i’m guessing. Nice to have a powerful ally who wants more N.A. support.

    I kind of expected they [Canada] were, but I could be wrong on that.

    BTW: I like good ol’ Cystic Crypt just the way it is.

    no no,
    i just said we’re not one of the 8 most powerful countries, but thanks to the US we were included in the G7 a few years after its inception.
    glad you like the cystic, by the way.



  • Okay, thanks for the clear up. You had me for a second there. 😉



  • Crypt, is right, China is more powerful probably than all the other countries except for the U.S. (russia is decline, France has less money and people, etc.)



  • "The hockey game was not brought up by me, and i can’t recall that i referred to it directly. "

    You replied to me talking of it by saying Americans manage to do the same thing as canada would while provoking more ill feelings…because “all americans are arrogant.” How about Germans then? you guys had 62 different anti-aircraft rocket programs in world war 2! You can generalize a race a people quite like that, but i must say America is more heavily scrutinized.

    "My remark on your national haoliday was meant as a response to the “G8 - do we care?”-thread: Showing (a) ignorance about the G8 in not knowing what it is and (b) not caring about the world (as G8 is meant to be a summit of the 8 “most powerful” nations) is the kind of american “arrogance” that i dislike and disrespect. Even if you are not interested in what happens outside your town/city, there are a handful of things that IMHO everyone who has the possibility to know should know. "

    Why should I care about the G8 summit if I am too busy checking out what is going on in the Middle East? You don’t care then! It isn’t arrogance, it is at times you don’t have the time to hear about certain things. I work 8 hours a day, and I’m lucky to check out my arabnews.com and other middle eastern websites! Is that arrogance? I heard of G8, i’m sure a lot of Americans did…does that mean we no exactly what happened during it? That isn’t arrogance, it is you too heavily scrutinizing Americans. Do you believe every friggin’ German knows are cares about the G8. Hell no.

    "And in your original posting that i first responded to in this thread you had “Europeans proke bad feelings more so”, which for me is a “Europeans are worse”. "

    Europeans aren’t worse, but IMO it is almost “socially acceptable” for them to scrutinize america more so because of the huge double standard that exists.

    “Which is second hand information, the kind what i call prejudice.”

    How about talking to you, other Germans, other Europeans for that matter? I call that first hand.

    "You get a picture, but you cannpt know for sure. "

    And you do…heh heh…

    "What you see in the news mainly is the position of the government and not the ppl. It is a picture, a start, but you can’t tell for sure! "

    Friggin independent news media source? How about any European newspaper online. Are they all state controlled? Even the BBC is controlled very little by the British government (even during World War II.) How can you get a clear picture of America? By talking to Americans, by seeing our media…that is about the best you can do without having a baseless prejudice.

    “If i judged the american ppl only after their government … well, better not”

    Your government isn’t corrupt? Ha!

    "Do you know when german reunification day is? "

    October 3. Bastille day is ten days after “the 4th of july” (what a hard one) and why does this really even matter?

    When the hell is Flag Day in America? If you don’t know, you are arrogant and don’t respect world culture! That’s a load of crap and you know it.



  • I miss May Day…



  • @TG:

    I miss May Day…

    we still get Victoria Day off 🙂
    nice having a long weekend in the end of May . . .



  • @HortenFlyingWing:

    You replied to me talking of it by saying Americans manage to do the same thing as canada would while provoking more ill feelings…because “all americans are arrogant.” How about Germans then? you guys had 62 different anti-aircraft rocket programs in world war 2! You can generalize a race a people quite like that, but i must say America is more heavily scrutinized.

    i can’t see how 62 AA-rocket programs are a sign for arrogance, i think it’s more a sign for geing “under the pump”.

    Why should I care about the G8 summit if I am too busy checking out what is going on in the Middle East? You don’t care then! It isn’t arrogance, it is at times you don’t have the time to hear about certain things. I work 8 hours a day, and I’m lucky to check out my arabnews.com and other middle eastern websites! Is that arrogance? I heard of G8, i’m sure a lot of Americans did…does that mean we no exactly what happened during it? That isn’t arrogance, it is you too heavily scrutinizing Americans. Do you believe every friggin’ German knows are cares about the G8. Hell no.

    Well, i think all “educated” germans know and more or less care about the G8. Out of our history we know / have learnt that you can’t try to live isolated in this world. Therefore we care for what is happening at those summits. The positions on the G8 may be different, but still they care (positively or negatively).

    "You get a picture, but you cannpt know for sure. "

    And you do…heh heh…

    I hoped i expressed that clear enough by now:
    I know wether person A or person B tends to insult me more than the other though saying the same thing, only with different words.
    I DO NOT know wether something that person A says is more insulting to me or person B.

    understandable? That is my whole point, when saying the “US americans have a talent for provoking ill feelings in me”. I can’t tell how big my talent or the german talent is. It was extremely high in the last century though.

    Friggin independent news media source? How about any European newspaper online. Are they all state controlled? Even the BBC is controlled very little by the British government (even during World War II.) How can you get a clear picture of America? By talking to Americans, by seeing our media…that is about the best you can do without having a baseless prejudice.

    Wasn’t it you who said you shouldn’t trust european media, as they are all leftist and whatever?

    “If i judged the american ppl only after their government …… well, better not”

    Your government isn’t corrupt? Ha!

    Does it say “corruption” anywhere? …. Don’t see it. It’s just that your president, who was voted by a minority into his office, does not help to promote a picture of the US as “caring”, “thinking” or “cooperating”. It’s saber-rattling and a lot more that i would then have to think of the US americans.

    "Do you know when german reunification day is? "
    October 3. Bastille day is ten days after “the 4th of july” (what a hard one) and why does this really even matter?

    When the hell is Flag Day in America? If you don’t know, you are arrogant and don’t respect world culture! That’s a load of crap and you know it.

    Flag day is:
    June 14th…. 1885 invented… by a teacher… official since 1916.
    This is not your major national holiday, so i had to look that one up.

    (from the same web-page:
    “Many visitors of this web site write to me and express dismay at the general decline of National pride and patriotism among Americans, especially young Americans.” @ http://www.usflag.org/toc.html
    That is quite dangerous. There are only a few countries that are as patriotic and have such a national pride, that being concerned over a decline there is frightening! Not to mention to write national with a capital N)

    Shall i now ask you about all the germans “second class public holidays”?
    Or even better: where do the colours in our flag come from:) ?



  • “we still get Victoria Day off
    nice having a long weekend in the end of May . . .”
    Lucky Canadians! Well I hope you get eating by a polar bear while you’re out getting drunk.

    “you guys had 62 different anti-aircraft rocket programs in world war 2!"

    Ditto what F_alk said. I’m not exactly sure how this constitutes German or European arrogance.

    “I heard of G8, i’m sure a lot of Americans did…does that mean we no exactly what happened during it?”

    Yeah, most of the “educated” Americans I know have at least some vague idea what G8 is, which mostly due to the protestors on the media.

    “Does it say “corruption” anywhere? … Don’t see it. It’s just that your president, who was voted by a minority into his office, does not help to promote a picture of the US as “caring”, “thinking” or “cooperating”. It’s saber-rattling and a lot more that i would then have to think of the US americans.”

    Bush a saber rattler? Sorry, but a “dumb” (as the Democrats would say 😛 ) character like Bush doesn’t exactly fit the description of a saber rattler (except for the events after 9/11). But just imagine if Gore had been elected! I would’ve scott moved to Mexico.

    “Many visitors of this web site write to me and express dismay at the general decline of National pride and patriotism among Americans, especially young Americans.”

    This is true. I remember back in the day when young Americans would celebrate the 4th like it was the Boston Tea Party all over again. But I do say our Last July 4 was better than most (could it be “false” patriots at work? Hmmmm…. :roll: )



  • Why would you move to Mexico? Bush has done very little period, and very little different than Gore would. Neither would do anything of import, except possibly bomb Afganistan. Republicrats.



    1. please stop torturing my once-noble-thread
    2. speaking of threads, i have picked up something by looking between the lines of your discussions.
      A wise friend of mine from Zimbabwe once said in an address to the U. of Winnipeg “the rest of the world looks to the western world because the western world sets the agenda for the rest of the world”.
      The fact is, for better or worse, the US sets much of the agenda for the rest of the world in many respects. The consequences of this include:
      a) the US looks inwards more than it looks outwards (i.e. in defending its interests, etc.)
      b) the rest of the world looks at the US more than it would if the US did not set much of the agenda etc.
      The consequences of this are that:
      a) F_alk feels quite provoked very readily by America
      b) HFW is a little overly-sensitive by treatment by the rest of the world.

    F_alk makes a needless comment about not caring about America’s birthday, HFW takes offense and a swing because of that, and then we get two people decrying the other’s lack of knowledge about their respective country.
    Am i right here? I can see why Yanny killed my earlier post.

    And i think Gore is more intelligent than Bush, and might have more sensitivity with regards to other countries.



  • @yourbuttocks:

    Why would you move to Mexico? Bush has done very little period, and very little different than Gore would. Neither would do anything of import, except possibly bomb Afganistan. Republicrats.

    Well I can speak Mexican (Mexican is very different from Spanish IMHO) much better than I speak Canadian 😛 Besides, if Gore was pres, I bet we would still be debating whether or not to invade Afgan and what to do on terrorist. :roll:

    “F_alk makes a needless comment about not caring about America’s birthday, HFW takes offense and a swing because of that, and then we get two people decrying the other’s lack of knowledge about their respective country.”

    Nah, I think I was the one to take the first offense to those comments. 😛



  • "i can’t see how 62 AA-rocket programs are a sign for arrogance, i think it’s more a sign for geing “under the pump”. "

    Know your own country’s history. None of those programs shared any knowledge with each other. If you think the CIA and the FBI were bad…

    “Well, i think all “educated” germans know and more or less care about the G8. Out of our history we know / have learnt that you can’t try to live isolated in this world. Therefore we care for what is happening at those summits. The positions on the G8 may be different, but still they care (positively or negatively).”

    All “educated Germans?” So, not all educated Americans? If i am “educated” i guess I knew more less than more about the G8.

    "understandable? That is my whole point, when saying the “US americans have a talent for provoking ill feelings in me”. I can’t tell how big my talent or the german talent is. It was extremely high in the last century though. "

    Yes, killing all of those Jews was ingenious. That is if you want to compare what every action the Germans committed. America invented a lot of things to, though with a lot of help from Germans. But Icannot say that the German or American people are truly better people. The most we can debate is who is socially better…and inventions have nothing to do with it. I msut say this spitefullness against America is dangerous. Read your own writing. “Saber-rattling” culture? Look down at us, for we have an Brutish culture!

    "Wasn’t it you who said you shouldn’t trust european media, as they are all leftist and whatever? "

    I never said the governments had anything to do with it. And i wouldn’t trust their media, or anyones.

    "Does it say “corruption” anywhere? … Don’t see it. It’s just that your president, who was voted by a minority into his office, does not help to promote a picture of the US as “caring”, “thinking” or “cooperating”. It’s saber-rattling and a lot more that i would then have to think of the US americans. "

    Hey ignorant fool. Bush won. Newspapers eventually counted all of the votes in Florida, and because america has an electoral college, Bush would of STILL won. Did your media report that, or i guess you were to busy studying up on the G8 conference. People cannot know everything, so when some Americans don’t know, it isn’t a friggin’ huge tragedy.

    "Flag day is:
    June 14th… 1885 invented… by a teacher… official since 1916.
    This is not your major national holiday, so i had to look that one up. "

    Where is my house??? If you don’t know, you don’t respect my culture…i’m just kiddin’!



  • I miss Flag day…



  • Just a quick reply, and after that i will respect CC’s wish 🙂

    @HortenFlyingWing:

    “Well, i think all “educated” germans know and more or less care about the G8. Out of our history we know / have learnt that you can’t try to live isolated in this world. Therefore we care for what is happening at those summits. The positions on the G8 may be different, but still they care (positively or negatively).”

    All “educated Germans?” So, not all educated Americans? If i am “educated” i guess I knew more less than more about the G8.

    Then my english is not good enough to deliver the point. The “more or less” stays in context with the “care”, not the “know”. And it’s the “educated” in inverted kommas, means i lack a better word for it. You asked wether i think that all germans know about the G8, so i answered whtat i think. I had no intention to make any comments about americans there.

    "understandable? That is my whole point, when saying the “US americans have a talent for provoking ill feelings in me”. I can’t tell how big my talent or the german talent is. It was extremely high in the last century though. "

    Yes, killing all of those Jews was ingenious. That is if you want to compare what every action the Germans committed. America invented a lot of things to, though with a lot of help from Germans. But Icannot say that the German or American people are truly better people. The most we can debate is who is socially better…and inventions have nothing to do with it. I msut say this spitefullness against America is dangerous. Read your own writing. “Saber-rattling” culture? Look down at us, for we have an Brutish culture!

    Talent not in the sense of invention but in the sense of “not being sensitive”.

    Hey ignorant fool. Bush won. Newspapers eventually counted all of the votes in Florida, and because america has an electoral college, Bush would of STILL won. Did your media report that, or i guess you were to busy studying up on the G8 conference. People cannot know everything, so when some Americans don’t know, it isn’t a friggin’ huge tragedy.

    Still, AFAIR if you take the total amount of votes cast, then Bush did not win a majority. Your indirect election system might have been great and useful in the time of hosre carriages, but in the times of the internet and telephone, it becomes unfair und injust (sp?).



  • One thing which I see a lot is leftists saying that the supreme court gave Bush the election. THe electoral system gave Bush the Presidency.

    To state it simply, more states wanted Bush to be President. He only really had the tri-state area and the west coast.

    Like 40 states voted for Bush.

    Not that I love Bush or anything, but he did win.

    The reason I wanted him to win was that he may appoint an anti-abortion Supreme court judge. One or two more and we may be able to repeal Roe v. Wade, and eliminate abortion in cases other than life of mother.

    Only 10% of Abortions (in U.S.) are even for a medical reason.



  • @yourbuttocks:

    One thing which I see a lot is leftists saying that the supreme court gave Bush the election. THe electoral system gave Bush the Presidency.

    To state it simply, more states wanted Bush to be President. He only really had the tri-state area and the west coast.

    Like 40 states voted for Bush.

    Not that I love Bush or anything, but he did win.

    The reason I wanted him to win was that he may appoint an anti-abortion Supreme court judge. One or two more and we may be able to repeal Roe v. Wade, and eliminate abortion in cases other than life of mother.

    Only 10% of Abortions (in U.S.) are even for a medical reason.

    I’m surprised that it is that many.

    Also HFW - i think it may be possible for Bush to have had a minority (i.e. fewer than 50% of all votes cast) yet still win the election (votes split between the two smarter, yet equally boring candidates - Nader and Gore).
    When that happens here (i.e. the Prime Minister’s party has a “minority” of seats, or less than %50 with more seats than any other single party) - 2 or more parties might force a non-confidence vote, forcing an early election.
    Not that you care, but i just threw that in for our Canada-phile Moses



  • I kind of wanted Nader to win, simply because he would do something.

    I hear this assumption on this forum; if you had heard him speak you would change your mind. Gore and Bush got where they are because they do not make waves and are happy to be soft money whores.


    “I defend the Good God against the idea of a continuous game of dice.”
    -Albert Einstein



  • “Still, AFAIR if you take the total amount of votes cast, then Bush did not win a majority. Your indirect election system might have been great and useful in the time of hosre carriages, but in the times of the internet and telephone, it becomes unfair und injust (sp?).”

    How is that our culture’s fault or Bush’s fault? No one really likes it. No one really gets to updating the system I guess, and at this point it is the least of our worries.



  • "Also HFW - i think it may be possible for Bush to have had a minority (i.e. fewer than 50% of all votes cast) yet still win the election (votes split between the two smarter, yet equally boring candidates - Nader and Gore). "

    I know. Electoral college.

    “When that happens here (i.e. the Prime Minister’s party has a “minority” of seats, or less than %50 with more seats than any other single party) - 2 or more parties might force a non-confidence vote, forcing an early election.
    Not that you care, but i just threw that in for our Canada-phile Moses”’

    I care. Its nice to know how other governments elect their officials.



  • “Not that you care, but i just threw that in for our Canada-phile Moses”

    Well Canada, is a nice place. Unlike here, they actually care about their environment (well… we’ll see if this is still true when we see 300 million Canucks running amok :roll: ) Lose the polar bears, ditch the high prices, and lower the sales tax (i’m serious, everything seems at least twice as expensive in Canada) and you might be going somewhere

    BTW: Unlike the another certain country, Canada’s provinces can actually succeed. 😉



  • care about the environment. Loggin’ is their biggest business.



  • Logging shouldn’t be that big of a problem if they replant the trees afterwards. We try to adopt that measure in all of the logging companies in California.



  • @HortenFlyingWing:

    care about the environment. Loggin’ is their biggest business.

    well, we do “care” about the environment - prolly more than America, as well as many other nations. We are the home of Greenpeace, afterall. Also there are many “renewable resource” programs in place, and dozens of friends of mine spend their summers working tree-planting for these logging companies, etc.
    No no, not logging. Our shame is in Alberta - a province that is working against Kyoto and environmental measures (it’s the Texas of Canada - with the good and the bad), not that Ontario is so great either - much industry near Toronto etc. Also we do waste quite a bit. Nice having all that landfill room.


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