@Entek I told you that Adam would be opportunistic and take Basra and Al-Dam, so you needed to be positioned to counterattack. 😁
NML 1914 game 13
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@FMErwinRommel yes I said industry would have been nice… bit late fighters and tanks would not
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@Elrood Yes, industry is the best. Tanks are selectively beneficial to certain countries in certain theaters. LFs are nice but, as you say, expensive, so only selectively useful, especially as dual land/sea threat. That’s the problem with G going for industry early in the game, only 1/3 odds and $ for $ FGs and gas are better than tanks on W Front.
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@FMErwinRommel rolling for bonds [dice 2d6]
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2d6: 6, 3
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@Private-Panic
Game HistoryRound: 8 Research Technology - Germany Germany spend 5 on tech rolls Germany rolls : 0/1 hits, 0.00 expected hits Combat Move - Germany 1 field_gun and 2 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Belarus 2 fighters moved from Belgium to Picardy 4 infantry moved from Champagne to Picardy 1 stormtruppen moved from Champagne to Franche-Comte 1 infantry moved from Champagne to Franche-Comte 1 fighter moved from Champagne to Franche-Comte 1 fighter moved from Champagne to Burgundy 1 field_gun and 3 infantry moved from Champagne to Burgundy 1 infantry moved from German New Guinea to Sea Zone 122 Bismarck Sea 2 battlecruisers, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer, 1 infantry, 1 submarine and 1 transport moved from Sea Zone 122 Bismarck Sea to Sea Zone 131 Pacific Ocean 1 infantry moved from Sea Zone 131 Pacific Ocean to Palau Germany take Palau from France Purchase Units - Germany Germany buy 1 cavalry, 1 field_gun, 6 gass, 3 heavy_guns, 18 infantry, 4 stormtruppens and 7 trenchs; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 1 techTokens; Combat - Germany Battle in Belarus Germany attack with 1 field_gun and 2 infantry Russia defend with 1 field_gun and 1 infantry Germany roll dice for 1 field_gun and 2 infantry in Belarus, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits Russia roll dice for 1 field_gun and 1 infantry in Belarus, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germany and 1 infantry owned by the Russia lost in Belarus Germany roll dice for 1 field_gun and 1 infantry in Belarus, round 3 : 2/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits Russia roll dice for 1 field_gun in Belarus, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 field_gun owned by the Russia lost in Belarus Germany win, taking Belarus from Russia with 1 field_gun and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4 Casualties for Germany: 1 infantry Casualties for Russia: 1 field_gun and 1 infantry Battle in Burgundy Germany attack with 1 field_gun, 1 fighter and 3 infantry France defend with 1 colonial and 2 infantry Germany roll dice for 1 field_gun, 1 fighter and 3 infantry in Burgundy, round 2 : 2/5 hits, 1.67 expected hits France roll dice for 1 colonial and 2 infantry in Burgundy, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the Germany and 2 infantry owned by the France lost in Burgundy Germany roll dice for 1 field_gun, 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Burgundy, round 3 : 0/3 hits, 1.17 expected hits France roll dice for 1 colonial in Burgundy, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germany lost in Burgundy Germany roll dice for 1 field_gun and 1 fighter in Burgundy, round 4 : 1/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits France roll dice for 1 colonial in Burgundy, round 4 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 field_gun owned by the Germany and 1 colonial owned by the France lost in Burgundy Germany win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is -4 Casualties for Germany: 1 field_gun and 3 infantry Casualties for France: 1 colonial and 2 infantry Battle in Franche-Comte Germany attack with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 stormtruppen France defend with 1 infantry Germany roll dice for 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 stormtruppen in Franche-Comte, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits France roll dice for 1 infantry in Franche-Comte, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the France lost in Franche-Comte Germany win, taking Franche-Comte from France with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 stormtruppen remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for France: 1 infantry Battle in Picardy Germany attack with 2 fighters and 4 infantry Britain defend with 2 infantry Germany roll dice for 2 fighters and 4 infantry in Picardy, round 2 : 1/6 hits, 1.67 expected hits France roll dice for 2 infantry in Picardy, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germany and 1 infantry owned by the Britain lost in Picardy Germany roll dice for 2 fighters and 3 infantry in Picardy, round 3 : 2/5 hits, 1.50 expected hits France roll dice for 1 infantry in Picardy, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Britain lost in Picardy Germany win, taking Picardy from France with 2 fighters and 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Germany: 1 infantry Casualties for Britain: 2 infantry Non Combat Move - Germany 2 fighters moved from Picardy to Belgium 1 fighter moved from Burgundy to Champagne 1 fighter moved from Franche-Comte to Champagne 1 stormtruppen moved from Rhine to Champagne 1 heavy_gun and 2 infantry moved from Belgium to Champagne 2 field_guns, 1 heavy_gun and 8 infantry moved from Wurttemburg to Alsace 1 infantry moved from Mecklenburg to Holstein 1 heavy_gun and 2 infantry moved from Dar es Salaam to German East Africa 1 infantry moved from Italian Somaliland to British East Africa 2 field_guns and 1 infantry moved from East Prussia to Eastern Poland 2 infantry moved from Warsaw to Eastern Poland 1 field_gun and 2 infantry moved from West Prussia to East Prussia 1 infantry moved from Pomerania to West Prussia 1 field_gun, 2 heavy_guns, 3 infantry and 1 stormtruppen moved from Pomerania to West Prussia 4 stormtruppens moved from Brandenburg to West Prussia 3 infantry moved from Mecklenburg to Pomerania 1 heavy_gun moved from Mecklenburg to Pomerania 2 stormtruppens moved from Berlin to Brandenburg 1 field_gun moved from Mecklenburg to Pomerania 1 infantry moved from Holstein to Denmark 1 infantry moved from Mecklenburg to Holstein 1 infantry moved from Mecklenburg to Holstein Place Units - Germany 1 infantry placed in German New Guinea 1 heavy_gun and 2 infantry placed in Dar es Salaam 3 trenchs placed in Champagne 2 trenchs placed in Eastern Poland 2 trenchs placed in West Prussia 4 stormtruppens placed in Berlin 6 gass placed in Bavaria 6 infantry placed in Wurttemburg 1 heavy_gun and 2 infantry placed in Belgium 1 field_gun, 1 heavy_gun and 4 infantry placed in Mecklenburg 2 infantry placed in Warsaw 1 infantry placed in German New Guinea 1 cavalry placed in Berlin Turn Complete - Germany Germany collect 131 PUs; end with 131 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Germany regular : 0.33 France regular : 2.00 Germany rolls : 0.00 Russia regular : 0.00
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@captainwalker you or France need to edit in 9 income from bonds
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@FMErwinRommel I will do that .
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Combat Move - France 1 transport moved from Sea Zone 15 English Channel to Sea Zone 25 Mid Atlantic 1 field_gun moved from Brittany to Sea Zone 25 Mid Atlantic 1 infantry moved from Brittany to Sea Zone 25 Mid Atlantic 1 infantry moved from Brittany to Normandy 1 infantry moved from Brittany to Burgundy 1 fighter moved from Paris to Franche-Comte 1 fighter moved from Paris to Franche-Comte 1 infantry moved from Rhone to Franche-Comte 1 field_gun, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from Sea Zone 25 Mid Atlantic to Sea Zone 15 English Channel 1 field_gun and 1 infantry moved from Sea Zone 15 English Channel to Picardy 1 field_gun moved from Paris to Picardy 1 infantry moved from Paris to Picardy 1 infantry moved from Paris to Picardy Purchase Units - France Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Adding units owned by France to Sea Zone 62 Adriatic Sea: 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 transport EDIT: Adding units owned by France to Croatia: 1 colonial EDIT: Changing ownership of Croatia from Austria to France EDIT: Removing units owned by France from Tobruk: 1 colonial EDIT: Removing units owned by France from Sea Zone 60 Central Mediterranean: 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 transport EDIT: Removing units owned by France from Sea Zone 112 Pacific Ocean: 1 cruiser and 1 transport EDIT: Adding units owned by France to Sea Zone 121 Coral Sea: 1 cruiser and 1 transport EDIT: Removing units owned by France from Sea Zone 121 Coral Sea: 1 cruiser and 1 transport EDIT: Adding units owned by France to Sea Zone 132 Pacific Ocean: 1 cruiser and 1 transport EDIT: Adding units owned by France to Sea Zone 132 Pacific Ocean: 2 colonials EDIT: Removing units owned by France from Tuamotu: 2 colonials EDIT: Adding units owned by France to Tahiti: 1 colonial and 1 infantry EDIT: Removing units owned by France from Samoa: 1 infantry EDIT: Removing units owned by France from Samoa: 1 colonial EDIT: Removing units owned by France from Sea Zone 132 Pacific Ocean: 2 colonials and 1 transport EDIT: Adding units owned by France to Caroline Islands: 2 colonials EDIT: Adding units owned by France to Sea Zone 132 Pacific Ocean: 1 transport EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode France buy 6 colonials, 18 infantry and 1 trench; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 2 techTokens; Combat - France France creates battle in territory Caroline Islands France creates battle in territory Tahiti Battle in Picardy France attack with 2 field_guns and 3 infantry Germany defend with 3 infantry France win, taking Tahiti from Germany, taking Picardy from Germany with 2 field_guns remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for France: 3 infantry Casualties for Germany: 3 infantry Battle in Caroline Islands France attack with 2 colonials Germany defend with 1 infantry France win, taking Caroline Islands from Germany with 1 colonial remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for France: 1 colonial Casualties for Germany: 1 infantry Battle in Franche-Comte France attack with 2 fighters and 1 infantry Germany defend with 1 infantry and 1 stormtruppen France win, taking Franche-Comte from Germany with 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -3 Casualties for Germany: 1 infantry and 1 stormtruppen Casualties for France: 1 fighter Non Combat Move - France 1 fighter moved from Franche-Comte to Rhone 1 infantry moved from Marseilles to Rhone 1 field_gun moved from Marseilles to Rhone 1 destroyer moved from Sea Zone 60 Central Mediterranean to Sea Zone 68 Aegean Sea 1 infantry moved from Marseilles to Piedmont 1 infantry moved from Marseilles to Piedmont 1 colonial moved from Marseilles to Rhone 3 colonials moved from Tobruk to Cyrenaica 1 transport moved from Sea Zone 56 Gulf of Lyon to Sea Zone 58 Tyrrhenian Sea 1 cruiser moved from Sea Zone 56 Gulf of Lyon to Sea Zone 58 Tyrrhenian Sea 1 field_gun moved from Shanghai 3 to Shanghai 4 Place Units - France 2 colonials placed in Algiers 4 colonials placed in Tobruk 1 trench placed in Shanghai 4 5 infantry placed in Marseilles 10 infantry placed in Paris 3 infantry placed in Brittany Activate Technology - France Trigger FranceP: France has 3 infantry placed in Paris Turn Complete - France France collect 83 PUs; end with 83 PUs
Territory Summary for France :
Caroline Islands : 1 flag, 1 colonial Kamerun : 1 flag Mariana Islands : 1 flag Samoa : 1 flag Shanghai 1 : 1 flag Shanghai 2 : 1 flag Togo : 1 flag Tsingtao : 1 flag Algiers : 1 Factory and 2 colonials Brittany : 1 Factory and 3 infantry Burgundy : 1 infantry Cyrenaica : 3 colonials Franche-Comte : 1 infantry Madagascar : 1 infantry Marseilles : 1 Factory and 5 infantry Normandy : 1 infantry Paris : 1 Factory, 7 field_guns, 38 heavy_guns, 41 infantry and 15 trenchs Picardy : 2 field_guns Rhone : 1 colonial, 1 field_gun, 1 fighter and 1 infantry Shanghai 4 : 1 field_gun and 1 trench Tahiti : 1 colonial and 1 infantry Tobruk : 1 Factory and 4 colonials Yanaon : 1 Factory Macedonia : 2 colonials Croatia : 1 flag, 1 colonial Piedmont : 2 infantry Cairo-Suez : 6 colonials Uganda : 4 cavalrys and 2 infantry Sea Zone 15 English Channel : 1 battlecruiser, 1 cruiser and 1 transport Sea Zone 58 Tyrrhenian Sea : 1 cruiser and 1 transport Sea Zone 62 Adriatic Sea : 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 transport Sea Zone 68 Aegean Sea : 1 destroyer Sea Zone 112 Pacific Ocean : 1 transport Sea Zone 132 Pacific Ocean : 1 cruiser and 1 transport Canary Islands : 1 flag Cape Verde : 1 flag
Production/PUs Summary :
Germany : 125 / 140 France : 83 / 83 Serbia : 12 / 17 Austria : 86 / 97 Italy : 24 / 25 Arabia : 0 / 0 Turkey : 72 / 76 Britain : 99 / 101 Russia : 63 / 70 Communists : 40 / 40 USA : 91 / 91
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Game History
Round: 8 Research Technology - Austria Austria roll 1,6 and gets 1 hit Austria removing all Technology Tokens after successful research. Austria discover mobileWarfare Combat Move - Austria 1 cavalry moved from Odessa to Dnieper 1 cavalry moved from Odessa to Crimea 1 field_gun moved from Venice to Tuscany 2 infantry moved from Venice to Tuscany 1 fighter moved from Venice to Tuscany 1 field_gun moved from Belgrade to Serbia 2 infantry moved from Belgrade to Serbia 2 infantry moved from Belgrade to Bulgaria 2 field_guns moved from Belgrade to Bulgaria 2 cavalrys moved from Belgrade to Croatia 1 field_gun moved from Hungary to Croatia 1 field_gun moved from Belgrade to Serbia 1 infantry moved from Belgrade to Bulgaria 1 infantry moved from Belgrade to Serbia Purchase Units - Austria Austria buy 7 field_guns, 6 heavy_guns, 10 infantry and 3 trenchs; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 0 techTokens; Combat - Austria Battle in Dnieper Austria attack with 1 cavalry Russia defend with 1 conscript Austria roll dice for 1 cavalry in Dnieper, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits Russia roll dice for 1 conscript in Dnieper, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits 1 cavalry owned by the Austria retreated to Odessa Battle in Crimea Austria attack with 1 cavalry Russia defend with 1 infantry Austria roll dice for 1 cavalry in Crimea, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits Russia roll dice for 1 infantry in Crimea, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russia lost in Crimea Austria winRussia win with 1 conscript remaining, taking Crimea from Russia with 1 cavalry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Russia: 1 infantry Battle in Serbia Austria attack with 2 field_guns and 3 infantry Serbia defend with 2 field_guns and 1 infantry Austria roll dice for 2 field_guns and 3 infantry in Serbia, round 2 : 4/5 hits, 1.83 expected hits Serbia roll dice for 2 field_guns and 1 infantry in Serbia, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Serbia, 2 field_guns owned by the Serbia and 2 infantry owned by the Austria lost in Serbia Austria win, taking Serbia from Serbia with 2 field_guns and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5 Casualties for Austria: 2 infantry Casualties for Serbia: 2 field_guns and 1 infantry Battle in Bulgaria Austria attack with 2 field_guns and 3 infantry Serbia defend with 2 field_guns and 2 infantry Austria roll dice for 2 field_guns and 3 infantry in Bulgaria, round 2 : 1/5 hits, 1.83 expected hits Serbia roll dice for 2 field_guns and 2 infantry in Bulgaria, round 2 : 0/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Serbia lost in Bulgaria Austria roll dice for 2 field_guns and 3 infantry in Bulgaria, round 3 : 3/5 hits, 1.83 expected hits Serbia roll dice for 2 field_guns and 1 infantry in Bulgaria, round 3 : 2/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Serbia, 2 field_guns owned by the Serbia and 2 infantry owned by the Austria lost in Bulgaria Austria win, taking Bulgaria from Serbia with 2 field_guns and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8 Casualties for Serbia: 2 field_guns and 2 infantry Casualties for Austria: 2 infantry Battle in Tuscany Austria attack with 1 field_gun, 1 fighter and 2 infantry Italy defend with 1 field_gun and 2 infantry Austria roll dice for 1 field_gun, 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Tuscany, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1.50 expected hits Italy roll dice for 1 field_gun and 2 infantry in Tuscany, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the Italy and 1 infantry owned by the Austria lost in Tuscany Austria roll dice for 1 field_gun, 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Tuscany, round 3 : 1/3 hits, 1.17 expected hits Italy roll dice for 1 field_gun in Tuscany, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 field_gun owned by the Italy lost in Tuscany Austria win, taking Tuscany from Italy with 1 field_gun, 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7 Casualties for Austria: 1 infantry Casualties for Italy: 1 field_gun and 2 infantry Battle in Croatia Austria attack with 2 cavalrys and 1 field_gun France defend with 1 colonial Austria roll dice for 2 cavalrys and 1 field_gun in Croatia, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits France roll dice for 1 colonial in Croatia, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 colonial owned by the France lost in Croatia Austria win, taking Croatia from France with 2 cavalrys and 1 field_gun remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for France: 1 colonial Non Combat Move - Austria 4 infantry moved from Hungary to Baranya 2 field_guns moved from Hungary to Baranya 1 infantry moved from Vienna to Hungary 1 gas moved from Hungary to Belgrade 2 cavalrys, 9 field_guns, 5 heavy_guns and 8 infantry moved from Belgrade to Serbia 4 field_guns and 3 infantry moved from Venice to Milan 3 field_guns and 3 infantry moved from Trieste to Venice 1 fighter moved from Tuscany to Venice 2 heavy_guns and 6 infantry moved from Galicia to Odessa Place Units - Austria 1 trench placed in Odessa 1 trench placed in Milan 1 trench placed in Odessa 2 field_guns and 2 infantry placed in Belgrade 6 heavy_guns placed in Galicia 2 field_guns and 2 infantry placed in Venice 3 field_guns and 3 infantry placed in Trieste 3 infantry placed in Hungary Activate Technology - Austria Austria activating mobileWarfare Turn Complete - Austria Austria collect 94 PUs; end with 94 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Italy regular : -0.33 Serbia regular : 0.67 France regular : -0.33 Austria regular : 3.50 Russia regular : -0.50
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@FMErwinRommel Game History
Round: 8 Research Technology - Italy Italy spend 5 on tech rolls Italy roll 6,3,3 and gets 1 hit Italy removing all Technology Tokens after successful research. Italy discover bunkers Combat Move - Italy 1 field_gun and 1 infantry moved from Rome to Sea Zone 57 Ligurian Sea 1 field_gun and 1 infantry moved from Sea Zone 57 Ligurian Sea to Tuscany 1 infantry moved from Latium to Tuscany Purchase Units - Italy Italy buy 1 heavy_gun and 5 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 0 techTokens; Combat - Italy Battle in Tuscany Italy attack with 1 field_gun and 2 infantry Austria defend with 1 field_gun and 1 infantry Italy roll dice for 2 battlecruisers in Tuscany, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 1,33 expected hits Italy roll dice for 1 field_gun and 2 infantry in Tuscany, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 0,83 expected hits Austria roll dice for 1 field_gun and 1 infantry in Tuscany, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Italy and 1 infantry owned by the Austria lost in Tuscany Italy roll dice for 1 field_gun and 1 infantry in Tuscany, round 3 : 1/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits Austria roll dice for 1 field_gun in Tuscany, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits 1 field_gun owned by the Austria lost in Tuscany Italy win, taking Tuscany from Austria with 1 field_gun and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4 Casualties for Italy: 1 infantry Casualties for Austria: 1 field_gun and 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Italy Place Units - Italy 1 heavy_gun and 2 infantry placed in Piedmont 3 infantry placed in Rome Activate Technology - Italy Italy activating bunkers Turn Complete - Italy Italy collect 24 PUs; end with 24 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Italy regular : -0,83 Austria regular : 0,00
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@Witt Turk 8 Indian army bones bleaching in the sands of Iran.tsvg
Did you think your 23-man army was too strong to be destroyed by the descendants of Suleiman the Great? No prisoners. And we retook all of our Arab lands. -
Round: 8 Combat Move - Turkey 1 field_gun moved from Kazakhstan to Volgograd 1 cavalry moved from Caucasus to Volgograd 1 cavalry moved from Kazakhstan to Sistan 3 cavalrys moved from Turkmenistan to Sistan 1 cavalry, 2 field_guns and 1 infantry moved from Khurasan to Sistan 1 cavalry moved from Lurs to Sistan 5 cavalrys, 5 field_guns, 1 fighter and 1 heavy_gun moved from Fars to Sistan 1 cavalry moved from Basra to Sistan 1 cavalry moved from Syria to Sistan 1 infantry moved from Hejaz to Yemen 1 fighter moved from Arabia to Yemen 1 cavalry moved from Oman to Trucial Coast Turkey take Trucial Coast from Britain 1 cavalry moved from Trucial Coast to Al-Dammam 1 cavalry moved from Al-Dammam to Qatar Turkey take Qatar from Britain 1 infantry moved from Damascus to Lebanon 1 heavy_gun moved from Syria to Lebanon 1 cavalry moved from Sinai to Lebanon Purchase Units - Turkey Turkey buy 4 cavalrys, 2 field_guns, 2 heavy_guns, 9 infantry and 5 trenchs; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 0 techTokens; Combat - Turkey Battle in Volgograd Turkey attack with 1 cavalry and 1 field_gun Russia defend with 1 cavalry and 1 trench Turkey roll dice for 1 cavalry and 1 field_gun in Volgograd, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits Units damaged: 1 trench owned by the Russia Russia roll dice for 1 cavalry and 1 trench in Volgograd, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits Turkey roll dice for 1 cavalry and 1 field_gun in Volgograd, round 3 : 1/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits Russia roll dice for 1 cavalry and 1 trench in Volgograd, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits 1 trench owned by the Russia and 1 cavalry owned by the Turkey lost in Volgograd Turkey roll dice for 1 field_gun in Volgograd, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits Russia roll dice for 1 cavalry in Volgograd, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits Turkey roll dice for 1 field_gun in Volgograd, round 5 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits Russia roll dice for 1 cavalry in Volgograd, round 5 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits 1 cavalry owned by the Russia lost in Volgograd Turkey win, taking Volgograd from Russia with 1 field_gun remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Turkey: 1 cavalry Casualties for Russia: 1 cavalry and 1 trench Battle in Sistan Turkey attack with 13 cavalrys, 7 field_guns, 1 fighter, 1 heavy_gun and 1 infantry Britain defend with 2 cavalrys, 1 colonial, 6 field_guns and 14 infantry Turkey roll dice for 13 cavalrys, 7 field_guns, 1 fighter, 1 heavy_gun and 1 infantry in Sistan, round 2 : 10/23 hits, 8.00 expected hits Britain roll dice for 2 cavalrys, 1 colonial, 6 field_guns and 14 infantry in Sistan, round 2 : 9/23 hits, 7.33 expected hits 8 infantry owned by the Britain, 2 cavalrys owned by the Britain and 9 cavalrys owned by the Turkey lost in Sistan Turkey roll dice for 4 cavalrys, 7 field_guns, 1 fighter, 1 heavy_gun and 1 infantry in Sistan, round 3 : 8/14 hits, 5.83 expected hits Britain roll dice for 1 colonial, 6 field_guns and 6 infantry in Sistan, round 3 : 6/13 hits, 4.33 expected hits 1 colonial owned by the Britain, 1 infantry owned by the Turkey, 6 infantry owned by the Britain, 4 cavalrys owned by the Turkey, 1 field_gun owned by the Britain and 1 field_gun owned by the Turkey lost in Sistan Turkey roll dice for 6 field_guns, 1 fighter and 1 heavy_gun in Sistan, round 4 : 5/8 hits, 3.67 expected hits Britain roll dice for 5 field_guns in Sistan, round 4 : 1/5 hits, 1.67 expected hits 5 field_guns owned by the Britain and 1 field_gun owned by the Turkey lost in Sistan Turkey win, taking Sistan from Britain with 5 field_guns, 1 fighter and 1 heavy_gun remaining. Battle score for attacker is 14 Casualties for Turkey: 13 cavalrys, 2 field_guns and 1 infantry Casualties for Britain: 2 cavalrys, 1 colonial, 6 field_guns and 14 infantry Battle in Yemen Turkey attack with 1 fighter and 1 infantry Britain defend with 1 infantry Turkey roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Yemen, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits Britain roll dice for 1 infantry in Yemen, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Britain lost in Yemen Turkey win, taking Yemen from Britain with 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Britain: 1 infantry Battle in Lebanon Turkey attack with 1 cavalry, 1 heavy_gun and 1 infantry Britain defend with 1 infantry Turkey roll dice for 1 cavalry, 1 heavy_gun and 1 infantry in Lebanon, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits Britain roll dice for 1 infantry in Lebanon, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Turkey roll dice for 1 cavalry, 1 heavy_gun and 1 infantry in Lebanon, round 3 : 0/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits Britain roll dice for 1 infantry in Lebanon, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 cavalry owned by the Turkey lost in Lebanon Turkey roll dice for 1 heavy_gun and 1 infantry in Lebanon, round 4 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits Britain roll dice for 1 infantry in Lebanon, round 4 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Turkey and 1 infantry owned by the Britain lost in Lebanon Turkey win, taking Lebanon from Britain with 1 heavy_gun remaining. Battle score for attacker is -4 Casualties for Turkey: 1 cavalry and 1 infantry Casualties for Britain: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Turkey 1 field_gun and 1 infantry moved from Basra to Fars 2 heavy_guns moved from Baghdad to Fars 1 infantry moved from Dardanelles to Smyrna 1 heavy_gun and 1 infantry moved from Constantinople to Smyrna 1 fighter moved from Sistan to Turkmenistan 1 fighter moved from Yemen to Mesopotamia 2 infantry moved from Smyrna to Syria 2 field_guns moved from Smyrna to Armenia 2 cavalrys moved from Palestine to Fars 1 cavalry and 1 infantry moved from Sinai to Palestine 1 cavalry moved from Sinai to Palestine 1 field_gun moved from Al-Dammam to Mesopotamia 2 field_guns moved from Mecca to Arabia 4 infantry moved from Mecca to Hejaz 1 field_gun moved from Baghdad to Lurs 2 field_guns moved from Baghdad to Fars Place Units - Turkey 3 trenchs placed in Caucasus 1 trench placed in Turkmenistan 1 trench placed in Syria 4 cavalrys and 1 heavy_gun placed in Baghdad 2 field_guns and 3 infantry placed in Damascus 1 heavy_gun and 2 infantry placed in Constantinople 4 infantry placed in Mecca Turn Complete - Turkey Turkey collect 82 PUs; end with 82 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Russia regular : 0.33 Turkey regular : 4.83 Britain regular : 3.33
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Round: 8 Research Technology - Britain Britain removing all Technology Tokens after successful research. Britain discover railwayGuns Combat Move - Britain 1 cruiser moved from Sea Zone 71 Eastern Mediterranean to Sea Zone 68 Aegean Sea 1 battlecruiser moved from Sea Zone 68 Aegean Sea to Sea Zone 71 Eastern Mediterranean 1 transport moved from Sea Zone 71 Eastern Mediterranean to Sea Zone 70 Eastern Mediterranean 1 infantry moved from Cairo-Suez to Sea Zone 70 Eastern Mediterranean 1 field_gun moved from Cairo-Suez to Sea Zone 70 Eastern Mediterranean 1 field_gun, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from Sea Zone 70 Eastern Mediterranean to Sea Zone 71 Eastern Mediterranean 1 field_gun and 1 infantry moved from Sea Zone 71 Eastern Mediterranean to Lebanon 1 fighter and 4 heavy_guns moved from Baluchistan to Sistan 2 cruisers and 4 transports moved from Sea Zone 72 Persian Gulf to Sea Zone 73 Arabian Sea 1 infantry moved from Madras to Sea Zone 73 Arabian Sea 1 field_gun moved from Goa to Sea Zone 73 Arabian Sea 1 field_gun moved from Bombay to Sea Zone 73 Arabian Sea 1 infantry moved from Bombay to Sea Zone 73 Arabian Sea 1 infantry moved from Goa to Sea Zone 73 Arabian Sea 1 infantry moved from Calcutta to Orissa 1 infantry moved from Calcutta to Orissa 2 cruisers, 2 field_guns, 3 infantry and 3 transports moved from Sea Zone 73 Arabian Sea to Sea Zone 72 Persian Gulf 2 field_guns and 3 infantry moved from Sea Zone 72 Persian Gulf to Sistan 1 cruiser moved from Sea Zone 75 Red Sea to Sea Zone 73 Arabian Sea 1 destroyer moved from Sea Zone 75 Red Sea to Sea Zone 71 Eastern Mediterranean 1 transport moved from Sea Zone 75 Red Sea to Sea Zone 70 Eastern Mediterranean 2 battleships, 1 cruiser and 1 transport moved from Sea Zone 12 Baltic Sea to Sea Zone 13 Skagerrak 1 transport moved from Sea Zone 13 Skagerrak to Sea Zone 16 North Sea 1 infantry moved from London to Sea Zone 16 North Sea 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from Sea Zone 16 North Sea to Sea Zone 13 Skagerrak 2 field_guns and 1 infantry moved from Oslo to Sea Zone 13 Skagerrak 2 field_guns and 2 infantry moved from Sea Zone 13 Skagerrak to Denmark 1 battleship moved from Sea Zone 15 English Channel to Sea Zone 13 Skagerrak 2 infantry moved from London to Sea Zone 15 English Channel 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from Sea Zone 15 English Channel to Sea Zone 13 Skagerrak 2 infantry moved from Sea Zone 13 Skagerrak to Denmark 1 infantry moved from Normandy to Paris 2 colonials and 2 field_guns moved from Normandy to Paris 1 cruiser moved from Sea Zone 13 Skagerrak to Sea Zone 15 English Channel 2 infantry moved from London to Sea Zone 15 English Channel 2 infantry moved from Sea Zone 15 English Channel to Normandy 1 colonial moved from St. John's Island to Sea Zone 22 Mid Atlantic 3 colonials moved from Nova Scotia to Sea Zone 22 Mid Atlantic 4 colonials and 2 transports moved from Sea Zone 22 Mid Atlantic to Sea Zone 25 Mid Atlantic 4 colonials moved from Sea Zone 25 Mid Atlantic to Normandy 1 transport moved from Sea Zone 25 Mid Atlantic to Sea Zone 22 Mid Atlantic 1 infantry moved from Congo to Rwanda 1 field_gun moved from Uganda to Rwanda 1 cruiser moved from Sea Zone 112 Pacific Ocean to Sea Zone 132 Pacific Ocean Purchase Units - Britain Britain buy 2 colonials, 4 field_guns, 5 heavy_guns, 15 infantry and 3 trenchs; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 0 techTokens; Combat - Britain Battle in Denmark Britain attack with 2 field_guns and 4 infantry Germany defend with 3 infantry and 1 trench Britain win, taking Denmark from Germany with 2 field_guns and 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9 Casualties for Britain: 1 infantry Casualties for Germany: 3 infantry and 1 trench Battle in Sistan Britain attack with 2 field_guns, 1 fighter, 4 heavy_guns and 3 infantry Turkey defend with 5 field_guns and 1 heavy_gun Britain win, taking Sistan from Turkey with 1 field_gun, 1 fighter and 4 heavy_guns remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12 Casualties for Britain: 1 field_gun and 3 infantry Casualties for Turkey: 5 field_guns and 1 heavy_gun Battle in Lebanon Britain attack with 1 field_gun and 1 infantry Turkey defend with 1 heavy_gun Britain win, taking Lebanon from Turkey with 1 field_gun remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2 Casualties for Britain: 1 infantry Casualties for Turkey: 1 heavy_gun Battle in Rwanda Britain attack with 1 field_gun and 1 infantry Germany defend with 1 infantry Germany win with 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -7 Casualties for Britain: 1 field_gun and 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Britain 1 infantry moved from Northern Rhodesia to Congo 2 infantry moved from German Southwest Africa to Northern Rhodesia 1 fighter moved from Cape Town to Northern Rhodesia 1 transport moved from Sea Zone 98 South Atlantic to Sea Zone 94 South Atlantic 1 heavy_gun moved from Cape Town to Sea Zone 94 South Atlantic 1 heavy_gun and 1 transport moved from Sea Zone 94 South Atlantic to Sea Zone 98 South Atlantic 1 heavy_gun moved from Sea Zone 98 South Atlantic to German Southwest Africa 1 fighter moved from Sistan to Baluchistan 1 infantry moved from Cairo-Suez to Lower Egypt 1 heavy_gun moved from Cairo-Suez to Lower Egypt 1 transport moved from Sea Zone 25 Mid Atlantic to Sea Zone 15 English Channel 1 infantry moved from Shanghai 3 to Shanghai 2 Place Units - Britain 2 colonials placed in Nova Scotia 2 infantry and 1 trench placed in Singapore 1 trench placed in Uganda 1 trench placed in Uganda 2 infantry placed in Calcutta 4 heavy_guns placed in Baluchistan 2 infantry placed in Goa 1 field_gun and 1 infantry placed in Bombay 1 field_gun and 1 heavy_gun placed in Cairo-Suez 2 infantry placed in Cape Town 1 field_gun and 2 infantry placed in Oslo 1 field_gun and 4 infantry placed in London Activate Technology - Britain Britain activating railwayGuns Turn Complete - Britain Britain collect 98 PUs; end with 98 PUs
Territory Summary for Britain :
German Southwest Africa : 1 flag, 1 heavy_gun Shanghai 2 : 1 infantry Normandy : 4 colonials and 2 infantry Paris : 2 colonials, 2 field_guns, 2 fighters and 7 infantry Greece : 1 field_gun Piedmont : 3 fighters Lebanon : 1 flag, 1 field_gun Bombay : 1 Factory, 1 field_gun and 1 infantry Cairo-Suez : 1 Factory, 1 field_gun, 4 heavy_guns, 5 infantry and 11 trenchs Calcutta : 1 Factory and 2 infantry Cape Town : 1 Factory and 2 infantry Congo : 1 infantry and 1 trench Goa : 1 Factory and 2 infantry Guadalcanal : 1 colonial Hong Kong : 1 infantry Jamaica : 1 infantry London : 1 Factory, 1 field_gun and 4 infantry Lower Egypt : 1 heavy_gun and 1 infantry New Zealand : 1 colonial Northern Rhodesia : 1 fighter, 6 infantry and 2 trenchs Nova Scotia : 1 Factory and 2 colonials Orissa : 2 infantry Ottawa-Montreal : 1 Factory Papua : 1 infantry Singapore : 1 Factory, 2 infantry and 1 trench Sydney-Canberra : 1 Factory, 2 cavalrys, 2 colonials and 1 field_gun Uganda : 1 cavalry, 1 infantry and 5 trenchs Pskov : 1 field_gun Sea Zone 13 Skagerrak : 3 battleships, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 3 submarines and 3 transports Sea Zone 15 English Channel : 2 cruisers and 2 transports Sea Zone 22 Mid Atlantic : 1 transport Sea Zone 25 Mid Atlantic : 2 transports Sea Zone 68 Aegean Sea : 2 battlecruisers, 1 battleship, 8 cruisers and 1 destroyer Sea Zone 70 Eastern Mediterranean : 1 transport Sea Zone 71 Eastern Mediterranean : 1 battlecruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 transport Sea Zone 72 Persian Gulf : 2 cruisers and 3 transports Sea Zone 73 Arabian Sea : 1 cruiser and 1 transport Sea Zone 98 South Atlantic : 1 transport Sea Zone 132 Pacific Ocean : 1 cruiser Baluchistan : 1 flag, 1 Factory, 1 fighter and 4 heavy_guns Denmark : 1 flag, 2 field_guns and 3 infantry Oslo : 1 flag, 1 Factory, 1 field_gun and 2 infantry Puerto Vallarta : 1 flag, 1 colonial Sistan : 1 flag, 1 field_gun and 4 heavy_guns Stockholm : 1 flag Sweden : 1 infantry
Production/PUs Summary :
Germany : 123 / 140 France : 79 / 83 Serbia : 12 / 16 Austria : 91 / 94 Italy : 24 / 24 Arabia : 0 / 0 Turkey : 79 / 82 Britain : 98 / 98 Russia : 58 / 70 Communists : 40 / 40 USA : 91 / 91
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@dawgoneit is up as Russia
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087eb851-f71d-4448-a86b-82e3d2aeb976-Russia 8.tsvg
Game History
Round: 8 Research Technology - Russia Russia spend 5 on tech rolls Russia rolls : 0/1 hits, 0.00 expected hits Combat Move - Russia 1 conscript and 1 infantry moved from Don to Volgograd 1 cavalry moved from Uzbekistan to Kazakhstan Russia take Kazakhstan from Turkey 1 cavalry moved from Kazakhstan to Volgograd 1 cavalry moved from Kazan to Kazakhstan 1 conscript moved from Perm to Kazan 1 conscript moved from Vologda to Perm 1 conscript, 1 field_gun and 1 infantry moved from Smolensk to Belarus 1 conscript moved from Smolensk to Belarus Purchase Units - Russia Russia buy 11 conscripts, 1 field_gun, 3 heavy_guns, 1 infantry and 7 trenchs; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 1 techTokens; Combat - Russia Battle in Belarus Russia attack with 2 conscripts, 1 field_gun and 1 infantry Germany defend with 1 field_gun and 1 infantry Russia roll dice for 2 conscripts, 1 field_gun and 1 infantry in Belarus, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 0.67 expected hits Germany roll dice for 1 field_gun and 1 infantry in Belarus, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits Russia roll dice for 2 conscripts, 1 field_gun and 1 infantry in Belarus, round 3 : 1/3 hits, 0.67 expected hits Germany roll dice for 1 field_gun and 1 infantry in Belarus, round 3 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germany lost in Belarus Russia roll dice for 2 conscripts, 1 field_gun and 1 infantry in Belarus, round 4 : 1/3 hits, 0.67 expected hits Germany roll dice for 1 field_gun in Belarus, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 field_gun owned by the Germany lost in Belarus Russia win, taking Belarus from Germany with 2 conscripts, 1 field_gun and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7 Casualties for Germany: 1 field_gun and 1 infantry Battle in Volgograd Russia attack with 1 cavalry, 1 conscript and 1 infantry Turkey defend with 1 field_gun Russia roll dice for 1 cavalry, 1 conscript and 1 infantry in Volgograd, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.33 expected hits Turkey roll dice for 1 field_gun in Volgograd, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 conscript owned by the Russia lost in Volgograd Russia roll dice for 1 cavalry and 1 infantry in Volgograd, round 3 : 0/2 hits, 0.33 expected hits Turkey roll dice for 1 field_gun in Volgograd, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Russia roll dice for 1 cavalry and 1 infantry in Volgograd, round 4 : 1/2 hits, 0.33 expected hits Turkey roll dice for 1 field_gun in Volgograd, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 field_gun owned by the Turkey lost in Volgograd Russia win, taking Volgograd from Turkey with 1 cavalry and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2 Casualties for Russia: 1 conscript Casualties for Turkey: 1 field_gun Non Combat Move - Russia 9 conscripts and 3 infantry moved from Smolensk to Don 2 conscripts and 1 infantry moved from Moscow to Ryazan 4 cavalrys moved from Tver to Ryazan 1 field_gun and 1 heavy_gun moved from Don to Ryazan 8 conscripts and 4 infantry moved from Pskov to Smolensk 4 conscripts and 3 infantry moved from St. Petersburg to Pskov 1 conscript and 2 field_guns moved from Vladivostok to Primorsky Place Units - Russia 3 heavy_guns and 3 trenchs placed in Kiev 3 conscripts placed in Minsk 1 conscript, 1 field_gun and 1 infantry placed in Moscow 1 trench placed in Ryazan Russia undo move 4. 3 trenchs placed in Kazan Russia undo move 4. 3 trenchs placed in Minsk 6 conscripts placed in St. Petersburg 1 trench placed in Ryazan 1 conscript placed in Vladivostok Activate Technology - Russia Trigger RussiaP: Russia has 3 infantry placed in St. Petersburg Turn Complete - Russia Russia collect 66 PUs; end with 66 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Germany regular : -1.67 Russia rolls : 0.00 Russia regular : 0.00 Turkey regular : 0.00
please let my team check everything out please.
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@dawgoneit Ok, I will wait. But I doubt they will change much, as you’ve done a great job of positioning yourself on Euro front. Don is strategically positioned to attack or defend against either Belarus or Caucasus, and cav in Ryazan to attack/defend against Caucasus or Commies.
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@FMErwinRommel I asked Witt to check and give his ok. He must have forgotten.
Please resume
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Is fine , Rommel.
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@Elrood Com 8.tsvg
Round: 8Research Technology - Communists Communists spend 5 on tech rolls Communists rolls : 0/1 hits, 0.00 expected hits Combat Move - Communists 1 infantry moved from Koryak to Kamchatka Communists take Kamchatka from Russia 1 cavalry moved from Yakutsk to Evenkia 1 gas moved from Irkutsk to Evenkia 1 field_gun moved from Novosibirsk to Kazakhstan 1 gas moved from Irkutsk to Kazakhstan 1 field_gun moved from Omsk to Kazan 1 gas moved from Irkutsk to Kazan Purchase Units - Communists Communists buy 2 cavalrys, 6 conscripts, 3 gass and 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 1 techTokens; Combat - Communists Battle in Kazakhstan Communists attack with 1 field_gun and 1 gas Russia defend with 1 cavalry Communists roll dice for 1 gas in Kazakhstan, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.83 expected hits 1 cavalry owned by the Russia lost in Kazakhstan 1 gas owned by the Communists lost in Kazakhstan Communists win, taking Kazakhstan from Russia with 1 field_gun remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Russia: 1 cavalry Casualties for Communists: 1 gas Battle in Kazan Communists attack with 1 field_gun and 1 gas Russia defend with 1 conscript Communists roll dice for 1 gas in Kazan, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.83 expected hits 1 gas owned by the Communists lost in Kazan Communists roll dice for 1 field_gun in Kazan, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits Russia roll dice for 1 conscript in Kazan, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits Communists roll dice for 1 field_gun in Kazan, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits Russia roll dice for 1 conscript in Kazan, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits Communists roll dice for 1 field_gun in Kazan, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits Russia roll dice for 1 conscript in Kazan, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits Communists roll dice for 1 field_gun in Kazan, round 5 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits Russia roll dice for 1 conscript in Kazan, round 5 : 1/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits 1 conscript owned by the Russia and 1 field_gun owned by the Communists lost in Kazan Russia win with no units remaining. Battle score for attacker is -6 Casualties for Communists: 1 field_gun and 1 gas Casualties for Russia: 1 conscript Battle in Evenkia Communists attack with 1 cavalry and 1 gas Russia defend with 1 conscript and 1 trench Communists roll dice for 1 gas in Evenkia, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.83 expected hits 1 conscript owned by the Russia lost in Evenkia 1 gas owned by the Communists lost in Evenkia Communists roll dice for 1 cavalry in Evenkia, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits 1 trench owned by the Russia lost in Evenkia Communists win, taking Evenkia from Russia with 1 cavalry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1 Casualties for Russia: 1 conscript and 1 trench Casualties for Communists: 1 gas Non Combat Move - Communists 1 conscript moved from Tiksi to Bratsk 1 conscript moved from Yakutsk to Tiksi 1 field_gun and 1 heavy_gun moved from Yakutsk to Aldan 2 field_guns and 1 infantry moved from Magadan to Khabarovsk 1 conscript moved from Krasnoyarsk to Novosibirsk 1 cavalry moved from Bratsk to Krasnoyarsk 2 field_guns moved from Omsk to Novosibirsk Place Units - Communists 2 conscripts placed in Omsk 3 gass placed in Irkutsk 2 cavalrys, 4 conscripts and 1 infantry placed in Yakutsk Turn Complete - Communists Communists collect 43 PUs; end with 43 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Communists rolls : 0.00 Communists regular : -1.67 Russia regular : 0.33
I didn’t expect every mustard gas to hit, but I did expect my barrage FG to outduel a conscript with no trenches.
It took 4 rounds to hit and kill the conscript, giving it time to fire back. Now, I can’t block R cav from blitzing and attacking Omsk or Novos. But I was able to rearrange my defense to cover both.