Worst invention in man's history (and why)


  • 2018 2017 '16 '11 Moderator

    Gee, and here I thought the despotic leftists were fighting a war to contain communism.



  • Nope, they were wars to preserve American style Chistian Capitalism.


  • 2018 2017 '16 '11 Moderator

    @ncscswitch:

    Nope, they were wars to preserve American style Chistian Capitalism.

    That’s not what they said when they went there. Gee, you mean politicians lie to the people?  Even those saints that sit on the left side of the aisle???  Wow!  I’m so dis-illusioned!

    (On a side bar, you do know to be dis-illusioned you must first be illusioned, right?)



  • @Janus1:

    Religion := The belief in an afterline(heaven(reincarnation)/hell(reincarnation) ) for which a person must act according to the rules defined by a so-called supreme being or collection of these.

    thats a pretty bad definition of religion. youve basically said the only three possibilities for a religious belief are: heaven, hell, or reincarnation.

    It might not fit all but it fits most major religions that i know of. Christianity/islam/judaism/hindoeism/budism.
    The ( ) where merely exaples that i tried to take all in if you find another afterlife type feel free to share it:) Afaik most religions are based around an afterlife and X supreme beings ( where X < 0 ).

    But religion kinda caused most wars and thus caused most deaths.
    Lets see. Islam attacking europe/ Europe attacking back ( crusades ), europe invading both north and south america and afrika.
    ( most of these invasions where followed my misionaries kindly asking the local populace to chose between christianity or death )
    Terrirst attacks these days and fighting in middle east muslims  vs jews.
    Fighting in iraq. Muslims Vs muslims vs christians ( o and the vs is also there fighting )
    Inquisition
    Hitler kinda killed a few milion jews because they had that religion.


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    well not cause of their religion per se, rather that they acted as a group and had their own groups inside of germany.  Hitler found these groups to be a threat, not because of their religion but because of actions that he deemed went against his authority.

    I think organized religion is one of the best inventions ever.  keeps people in line.  If there were no religion who could argue with me that what i am doing is wrong.  I would just say thats your own made up morality and you have no legitimate reasons for thinking yours is better than my morality, as i rob and steal to my benefiet.  I would only see my robbing and stealing as a good thing because it helps me.  Moral probably not, but who could say otherwise?  (looking at it from a secular point of view).



  • It might not fit all but it fits most major religions that i know of. Christianity/islam/judaism/hindoeism/budism.

    well, you leave out Nirvana, and the Hindu “equivalent” whose name escapes me, when you limit it to Heaven/Hell and Reincarnation. Also, you leave out Confucianism, Daoism, and Shinto as major religions. What about Sikhism? these are all major religions by numbers.

    The ( ) where merely exaples that i tried to take all in if you find another afterlife type feel free to share it:) Afaik most religions are based around an afterlife and X supreme beings ( where X < 0 ).

    most western religions are based around X supreme beings. There is no supreme being in Buddhism, not in the sense that you have. There are “Gods” but again, not in the sense you refer to.



  • **MODERATOR NOTE:

    A Portion of this post deleted due to highly questionable content… both in terms of flame and nature of the flame.

    Watch it El Jefe.**

    Okay, so  the major contenders so far are(in no particular order)…

    1. TV,
    2. MS Windows(Any particular leading contender?[95?, 98?, 2000?, Millenium?, XP?]),
    3. Income Tax Withholding,
    4. Money(is the root of all evil…Error, error! Correct input required.),
    5. The _Evil_  Spork,
    6. Video Games,
    7. Lazy Parents,
      8 ) Capitalizm,
    8. Guns,
    9. Religion,
    10. Woman(though I think that falls under the “God/s” or “Evolution” category rather than a creation of MAN,
      12, 13, & 14) _________________any I missed in a quick perusal of these 5+ pages.

    Jen, I see your point about TV, but Uncle Milty, Lucille Ball and “Sports Night” make me vote that one out.
    My vote would lean more toward “The TV Remote”(forefather of “The Universal Remote.”)  It lead to surfing, more dictarorships of the TV viewing time and bigger couch potato(e)s.  🙂

    MONEY and CAPITALIZM, are both very high on my worst list. People who ain’t got money hate those who have money. Those who do have money feel guilty and want to destroy “The System” or find some way to make up for “The Sin of Being Rich.”

    I kinda like the idea of some Polynesian islands…
    the richer you were the larger the stones you had to carry in your pocket.
    I recall seeing pictures of some chiseled round stones that hadta weigh a coupla hunert pounds.   😄

    RELIGION , Come on!  We’e discussed this many times over.  Hitler klled the Jews.  He was working on the Catholics and Protestants, too.  Lenin and Stalin virtuallly eliminated religion from the USSR(the State their religion.)  China still persecutes religions to this day.

    Muslims attacked nonbelivers.  Convert or die!  Catholics attacked in retaliation, not just to regain Jerusalem(the Holy Land.)

    If they hadn’t you wouldn’t have a choice today!
    IF you’re gonna say RELIGION, at least say RELIGIOUS FANATICS and be specific…not just MUSLIMS…
    INQUISATORS(Jesuits…see Xavier University, Cincinnati, Ohio), JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES(only hang with their own), those LDS(Mormons) STILL PRACTICING POLYGAMY…would be examples I’d choose.


    Jen,  “Computer” was on my mind just prior to reading your note.  Frightening eh?
    But I’d still go back a step and say “Calculator”…as it took away many student’s ability to CALCULATE for themselves.
    I got thru Math, Geometry, Algebra and Calculus without a calculator.

    Pornography usata be about 90% of the internet.  Now it’s down to less than 2%.
    _Damn!_  Just kidding…
    I usta look at the Mags, but came to realize that it could be pics of my wife or daughter.  Or someone else’s wife. daughter, sister, or mom.
    Pictures could be posted wifout permision, too.


    What NO call for…
    "INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINE?"

    Here’s two late entries…

    1. Vocalized Language(Homo Erectus Shoulda kept his mouth shut) and
    2. Hieroglyphics/Cuneiform/The Written Word(Homo Habilis shoulda stuck with the bison and mammoth.)


  • @Janus1:

    It might not fit all but it fits most major religions that i know of. Christianity/islam/judaism/hindoeism/budism.

    well, you leave out Nirvana, and the Hindu “equivalent” whose name escapes me, when you limit it to Heaven/Hell and Reincarnation. Also, you leave out Confucianism, Daoism, and Shinto as major religions. What about Sikhism? these are all major religions by numbers.

    Nirvana is a form of afterlife isnt it. The names are not of any concern for their definition. Different languages different words same definition. Afterlife = something after this life ( you either go somewhere or you come back )

    The defintion even encompases various nature religions and traditions of various tribes that are not even major religions. Dont take the wording literaly read the general concept behind it.

    The ( ) where merely exaples that i tried to take all in if you find another afterlife type feel free to share it:) Afaik most religions are based around an afterlife and X supreme beings ( where X < 0 ).

    most western religions are based around X supreme beings. There is no supreme being in Buddhism, not in the sense that you have. There are “Gods” but again, not in the sense you refer to.

    Supreme beings maby i should define X as a number then we include all. Hindu have various gods, budist dont have a god afaik but they might call budha miself a supreme being since he reached the untimate afterlife.  How do i mean gods ? Supreme being is a pretty broad defintion.

    remote control dont see anything bad in this item. My grandmother is not that well with walking so a remote control is verry handy there. As well are numerous disabled people that would have problems moving from and to the TV set. People not walking and getting fat is their own doing.

    MS Windows : Not a bad invention at all. It brought information to many millions of people all over the world and connected various cultures together. This board would most likely not exist without it and these open discussions would not likely have taken place without it.

    Money should be 1 of the best inventions. Because it makes trade abstract and gives rise to more civilisation. Without money how would we handle wages? In terms of good that the other person can trade then those goods become the money. In turns of vouchers then those vouchers are again a type of money. Think of it this way money is just like you would do with friends you help someone and someone else helps you in return but on a bigger scale.

    the gun Not a bad thing in itself. It can be used for hunting to suppy food for a community as well as for security of that comunity against wildlife in some environments.

    video games Can also be used for educational purposes as well as recreational activities. Recreation is good for people and learning is also verry important. Besides would you rather have someone kill people IRL to vent anger or do it virtualy ?



  • Nirvana is a form of afterlife isnt it. The names are not of any concern for their definition. Different languages different words same definition. Afterlife = something after this life

    in the sense that it is something after this life, yes. but otherwise no, no in any sense that you are thinking of. you refer only to heaven/hell, and reincarnation. nirvana is a concept wholly different from all three.



  • I still say the spork.  You guys are saying TV, computer, religion, money, etc. in the mind set of bad things those things have done.  Im saying spork based on overall usefullness……and the spork definately wins.  The spork is a piece of shit.  Worst invention ever.  Even Ghandi would have a personal vendetta towards the spork and its hard to get on Ghandis bad side.  The only thing that contests the spork for supremacy is the “keytar” (that stupid instrument thats supposed to be a keyboard played like a guitar.)



  • @El:

    1. Money(is the root of all evil…Error, error! Correct input required.),

    Correct input:  The love of money is the root of all evil.  And women, cause they love money.  😄



  • Excuse me, unidentified moderator.

    I am sorry.

    I ask forgivenesss of those who live in San Francisco.

    I ask forgiveness of those kindhearted people everrywhere who are trying to extend the benefits of technology to the less fortunate.

    I ask forgiveness of those who may be of alternate lifestyles whose wish is to be welcomed by all; not shunned, nor banned, force marched, isolated, ostrasized, placed in concentration camps, tortured, called names which they(after decades or centuries) ironically append to themselves, beaten, hanged, butchered, crucified, accused of treason, conspiracy, evil acts which were first perpetrated on themselves, and any other forgotten slight or mistreatment I may have a)intentionally, b)misguidedly, c)mistakenly or d)unintentionally inflicted upon my fellow conversationalists.


    Living life one day at a time.
    Ex-gay, recovering alcoholic,
    statute of limitations exceeding bastard trying to live my life to make up for the a–hole I’ve been,

    LJ


    I was gonna say something moderatingly funny to Jermofoot. However, I realize that I can say some of this carp to people’s faces and get an honest and open response rather than…

    Goodbye!



  • @Jermofoot:

    @El:

    1. Money(is the root of all evil…Error, error! Correct input required.),

    Correct input:  The love of money is the root of all evil.  And women, cause they love money.  😄

    Not entirely correct. Power is the root of all evil. There will always be people that want to be more important. In our current world money almost always equals power.



  • @ShadowHAwk:

    @Jermofoot:

    @El:

    1. Money(is the root of all evil…Error, error! Correct input required.),

    Correct input:  The love of money is the root of all evil.  And women, cause they love money.  😄

    Not entirely correct. Power is the root of all evil. There will always be people that want to be more important. In our current world money almost always equals power.

    Land too.  With land comes money.  Then with money comes power.  Its a vicious circle (or more like triangle?)



  • evil is the root of evil. evil is self-propagating. power, money, etc are not evil, but the lust for them is. evil inspires the lust for money and the lust for power.



  • @Janus1:

    evil is the root of evil. evil is self-propagating. power, money, etc are not evil, but the lust for them is. evil inspires the lust for money and the lust for power.

    Yeah. If you can handle something honestly, including the means to get it, it is not evil. But if you are driven to get it illegally, or improperly use it, it has become an evil.

    Edit: On topic, nerve gasses come to mind, along with the entire Hollywood culture. They have no redeeming value. Nerve gasses are a horrible way to die, and Hollywood is filled with a bunch of rich people who think the world whould bow down to them because they are pretty, and also that whatever they say is right, even if it is completely unsupported, unproven, or proven wrong. It is a leech to our nation’s intellect.

    Rap would have to come in third, becuase of the immorality it promotes.

    Fourth would be politics in general, where normally smart people lose all intelligence, morality and normal thought to win an election, and then spend their time arguing over issues that their party supports, even if they don’t.



  • @Nukchebi0:

    @Janus1:

    evil is the root of evil. evil is self-propagating. power, money, etc are not evil, but the lust for them is. evil inspires the lust for money and the lust for power.

    Yeah. If you can handle something honestly, including the means to get it, it is not evil. But if you are driven to get it illegally, or improperly use it, it has become an evil.

    Edit: On topic, nerve gasses come to mind, along with the entire Hollywood culture. They have no redeeming value. Nerve gasses are a horrible way to die, and Hollywood is filled with a bunch of rich people who think the world whould bow down to them because they are pretty, and also that whatever they say is right, even if it is completely unsupported, unproven, or proven wrong. It is a leech to our nation’s intellect.

    Rap would have to come in third, becuase of the immorality it promotes.

    Fourth would be politics in general, where normally smart people lose all intelligence, morality and normal thought to win an election, and then spend their time arguing over issues that their party supports, even if they don’t.

    1.  Nerve gas is a tool.  If someone shoots you, do you blame the gun?

    2.  The culture of Hollywood arises from the people of the United States of America and the world.  Who made them rich?  Who made them famous?  Why are they subject to paparazzi, and stalking, and unpleasant and critical commentaries?  The people.

    Also, you may not approve of Hollywood stars being political activists, but at least they are devoting their personal time and energy to causes they believe in.  I’d like to point out that EVERYONE usually thinks what they say is right; Hollywood stars are no exception - the exception is the fact that Hollywood stars are attacked for expressing personal beliefs.

    3.  You can’t really blame rap for promoting immorality.  It is easy for a politician to blame rap, it is easy for the media to condemn rap.  But the fact of the matter is, the only reason why rap can promote “immorality” is because there is a ready audience for it.  Watch any violent movie or TV show; some Afro-Americans or Hispanics, or sometimes Caucasians go on screen and do violent things as rap music plays.  But is it rap that is causing the TV show or movie to be violent?  Is it rap that causes people to watch those TV shows or movies?  I say no.  People are being primed to accept immoral behavior; rap is simply a small and disproportionately discriminated-against portion of the cause of the problem.

    4.  Politicians are often dedicated people that got into politics to try to improve the state of the world.  Regrettably, the media concentrates on focusing on the controversial things a small minority of politicians say and do, and on “issues” rather than things that could change the lives of the American people.  (Although I don’t blame the media entirely for this; they do have to sell their stories to stay in business).  To say that politicians are all immoral is hardly true.  The fact of the matter is, politics by its nature involves people, and when you have a multitude of people, you must have a multitude of concessions to attain any progress.

    Is it fair for someone to ask for concessions all the time, but be absolutely unwilling to make any concessions in return?  Is it possible for a group of people that pursue no common goal to make progress?  If you say “no” to those questions, you understand what a politician must do.  A politician must sometimes support positions that he or she does not personally believe in, because a politician must be willing to MAKE concessions as well as ask for them.  Because concessions are made, politicians can work together to make progress.

    If anything, politicians should be even MORE willing to argue for issues they do not personally believe in.

    I like money, I like power, I like women.  Is that really so wrong?



  • @Nukchebi0:

    @Janus1:

    evil is the root of evil. evil is self-propagating. power, money, etc are not evil, but the lust for them is. evil inspires the lust for money and the lust for power.

    Yeah. If you can handle something honestly, including the means to get it, it is not evil. But if you are driven to get it illegally, or improperly use it, it has become an evil.

    Edit: On topic, nerve gasses come to mind, along with the entire Hollywood culture. They have no redeeming value. Nerve gasses are a horrible way to die, and Hollywood is filled with a bunch of rich people who think the world whould bow down to them because they are pretty, and also that whatever they say is right, even if it is completely unsupported, unproven, or proven wrong. It is a leech to our nation’s intellect.

    Rap would have to come in third, becuase of the immorality it promotes.

    Fourth would be politics in general, where normally smart people lose all intelligence, morality and normal thought to win an election, and then spend their time arguing over issues that their party supports, even if they don’t.

    Dont blame stuff on things that are not related. Guns are not related to killing people where killed before guns where invented and will be killed long after guns will be gone out of fashion.

    Nerve gas might also have a medical application, Since it works on the nerves of the person it could also be used to stop pain in a certain part of the body. Yet the human application of using it to kill others with guess what you can also burn people on the stake does that make fire and wood evil?, you an drown or bury people alive does that make water and earth evil. IF they do then the whole world is evil so lets not fight it anymore.

    Rap did not create immorality but the other way around. People invented rap they sing(rap) about stuff they care about. Just like porn does not cause sex but the other way around ( if not then we would either not be here or porn would be the first invention of mankind )

    Power causes people to do stuff. The hunger for power is evil. Terroist dont blow people up for money nor do their leaders work for money they want power. You dont want to have loads amounts of money you want what that money can buy you, and since everybody needs money to live money lets you buy basicaly everthing. People are regularly not raped because the craving for sex but because the rapist wanted to exert control over the victim ( power ). People fight other people to control them ( power ). Resources equal power and in the current world money gives you resources.


  • 2018 2017 '16 '11 Moderator

    Very good arguement, the tool is not to blame for evil, evil people are to blame for evil.

    Thus it is not SUVs that are destroying the atmosphere, it’s the liberal soccer mom’s who are driving the SUVs that are destroying the atmosphere.

    It is not the Beef Farmer that is making people fat, it’s the people buying Big Macs that are making people fat.



  • Very good arguement, the tool is not to blame for evil, evil people are to blame for evil.

    yes

    Thus it is not SUVs that are destroying the atmosphere, it’s the liberal soccer mom’s who are driving the SUVs that are destroying the atmosphere.

    not quite

    It is not the Beef Farmer that is making people fat, it’s the people buying Big Macs that are making people fat.

    :? who ever blamed beef farmers?



  • @Jennifer:

    Thus it is not SUVs that are destroying the atmosphere, it’s the liberal soccer mom’s who are driving the SUVs that are destroying the atmosphere.

    Try not to insert such openly biased statements that obviously aren’t true in.

    To the others:

    1. I was talking about how bad of a way it is to be killed by nerve gas. It is a tool, but a horrible one. How can something that one drop of will kill you be good?

    2. I was more talking about the self-infatuation that Hollywood stars have because all the people like them. Just because they are famous doesn’t mean they are better than the rest of the world. Also, they often use their popularity to say statement that other people couldn’t get away with without supporting it, while they can.

    3. Rap is bad because it is used to influence all the people who listen to it. Many of the poor in the inner city ghettos have nothing else to follow, so the rap music becomes what they follow. Since rap glorifies drugs, unsafe sex, immorality, ect., they start practicing what rap music says, andt ehn turn into expensive criminals.

    4. Perhaps politicians are dedicated. I may have been wrong on that one. However, you can’t deny the amount of game playing that goes on without anything getting done. Also, since many of them do act based on the wishes of the voters just to get votes, you have to question if they really care.


  • 2018 2017 '16 '11 Moderator

    @Nukchebi0:

    @Jennifer:

    Thus it is not SUVs that are destroying the atmosphere, it’s the liberal soccer mom’s who are driving the SUVs that are destroying the atmosphere.

    Try not to insert such openly biased statements that obviously aren’t true in.

    Really?  So the SUVs are turning themselves on and driving around!  No wonder!  And here I thought they needed a human being with a key to turn them on and guide them!  Oh my!  Well, that changes my entire perspective on life, liberty and the persuit of happiness!

    That’s like saying Guns kill people.  Gun’s dont kill people.  Violent human beings with guns kill people.



  • I was referring to the pointless “liberal soccer moms” part.

    We all know you and every conservative drives a Prius.



  • 1. I was talking about how bad of a way it is to be killed by nerve gas. It is a tool, but a horrible one. How can something that one drop of will kill you be good?

    Most medical drugs when used in sufficient quantity are lethal. The lethal injection used to execute people are normal medicin. 1 drop of pure nervegas would kill you but what would 1 drop of a 1:100 mixture do people in great pain because of an accident. Just because something can be used to kill it does not mean that there is no good alternative to its use. Dynamite was used to kill people initialy but now it is used as a tool to help in mining. How can something that is capable of blowing up complete buildings be good? Well apparently it can.

    2. I was more talking about the self-infatuation that Hollywood stars have because all the people like them. Just because they are famous doesn’t mean they are better than the rest of the world. Also, they often use their popularity to say statement that other people couldn’t get away with without supporting it, while they can.

    They are famous therefor they got power and they get away with it. And ofcourse that is bad but hey life aint fair 😛

    3. Rap is bad because it is used to influence all the people who listen to it. Many of the poor in the inner city ghettos have nothing else to follow, so the rap music becomes what they follow. Since rap glorifies drugs, unsafe sex, immorality, ect., they start practicing what rap music says, andt ehn turn into expensive criminals.

    There has been no proof of music turning people into criminals. Also these songs where created and invented. They did not came from a guy saying lest sing about sex. Apparently there was a market for those type of songs before they where invented and writen. They already practiced what rap music sings about long before rap music was there. But it is so easy to blame something unrelated for something in stead of finding the real source of the problems. Drugs are used long before rap music was introduced and the drugs-crimes where not developed because of music but because of goverment mismanagement.

    4. Perhaps politicians are dedicated. I may have been wrong on that one. However, you can’t deny the amount of game playing that goes on without anything getting done. Also, since many of them do act based on the wishes of the voters just to get votes, you have to question if they really care.

    Most politicians seem to care more for their job and their status ( power ) then for the job they are hired to do goven the country in a proper way. They will say about everything when it is election time and after that suffer from amnesia untill the next election time.

    It is not the Beef Farmer that is making people fat, it’s the people buying Big Macs that are making people fat.

    Nop it is the people making themself fat. You can buy a big mac and eat some and dont get fat and you can get fat without eating a big-mac ever.
    It is about getting the proper balance in your life ( but it is easier to sue the mac-donalts for your increased body weight )



  • @ShadowHAwk:

    @Jermofoot:

    @El:

    1. Money(is the root of all evil…Error, error! Correct input required.),

    Correct input:  The love of money is the root of all evil.  And women, cause they love money.  😄

    Not entirely correct. Power is the root of all evil. There will always be people that want to be more important. In our current world money almost always equals power.

    I was referring to the original quote.  It’s not money is the root of all evil, it’s the love of it that is.  I’m not saying one way or another, that’s just the saying…


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