Evolution Poll

@MADDOGG:

screw starvation around the world!! you feed the lazy bastards!!

I’d love to.  Think how the world would view us then.  And it’s entirely possible; doubtful, though.

NoMercy-

If God is omniscient, and the creator of all things, then why do we have anything negative at all in this world?  As example, I could suggest still birth, hurricanes, tsunamis, drought, miserable conditions for many of the earth’s people, war…and much more.  Why can’t we attribute the existence of sin to it as well?  It seems to me that if God were benevolent, we could be spared quite a bit of pain and suffering.  Why wasn’t atheism & disbelief taken into account?  Why should I be punished for not believing in something?

Don’t bother answering - as I said, there’s no answer, at least a correct one.  There’s really no question either.  Look, God exists because you believe in such a thing.  But it doesn’t mean that everyone holds the same idea.

well Switich…

if thats the case…

lets say you had a kid and he went and blew up a building for a example… and it was sometihng he decided to do on his own.

I want you and and Angel held responsible for this because you helped create this kid according to your reasoning.

you have to remember God is perfect, he created the angel Lucifer WHICH on his own free will choose a wrong path and became Satan because he wanted to be higher then god.

You cannot hold God accountable for people’s “free will of choice”

i’m not letting him off the hook for all the crap in the world because he was never on the hook in the first place… WE are on the hook and he has provided US a free way out off it.

a lot of pain and suffering is from Mankinds disobedience and the cause of Sin that was broguht into the world.

birth is a good example actually… pain and suffering was brought in for the giving of birth process as a punishement to the woman who disobeyed God and sinned and ate of the forbidden fruit.

It was pretty simple back then… Adam and Eve were giving dominion of all things in the world, they had all the food etc… they could of asked for. but yet they ate of the fruit of the forbibbden tree in the garden the one thing God told them not to do.

I am not trying to stuff all this in everybody’s face and force them to believe.
It’s people choice to believe or not, thats the most important thing.

i dont, he made all the crap because its neccesarry.  If we were all good, then what is choice.  It comes down to choice and you NEED to be able to choose from good or evil.  What is joy without some misery you’ve experieced.  There must always be a balance that is maintained.  Truly its the ying and yang.  If everything was good and great, what choice to you have to be bad.  You dont have one, you’ve been raped of choice into being good, a slave if you will to being good, there should be no slaves.

A)  Yes, I think God created natural disasters and the like.  He also created lions, cheetahs, hawks, owls and sharks.  All of the aforementioned cause strife in one form or another, so what?  He created a method to keep the world in balance, and part of that is “urban renewal” through natural disasters.  Floods in Mesopotamia brought highly fertile soil to the land making farming easier.  But the floods also killed people….

B)  Darwinism/Evolution would lead you to believe that the weak and infirm should be killed so they cannot reproduce and thus strengthen the gene pool of your species.  Christianity, on the other hand, teaches you to take care of your neighbor so that all might be strong.

Hmm, I can murder the helpless so that there’s more resources for the strong, or I can help everyone that needs it…hard choice, but I think I’m gunna go with the moral high ground not the ethical low ground here.

Because you can’t seem to discern good between evil

no….

he gave people free will of choice so they could choose him instead of forcing them to obey him and follow him.

which servant would you like better?
the one you have to constanly watch over your back because you forced him to be your servant or the one with his own free will and choice decides to follow you.

he can’t choose for you, its up to people to choose. and Yes god set it up that way for them to have free will.
he left the choice for up to you on how you want to live life, do stuff and choose your own destiny, the good place or the bad place.

Satan is already judged and is powerless against god.

if you don’t believe you are already condemmed as well.

God is actually really displeased with the “sins” in the world and almost destroyed all of mankind with the great flood because of this…
but since there was a follower called Noah who did believe in God and found favor in Gods eyes. He warned Noah and told him to build a ship and take 2 of each animal sort of deal to replenish the world again after. and he then made a promise he would never attempt to do this again hence the rainbow in the sky (thats a sign from him that he told us he would leave there to be of a remembrance of that promise)

but we could keep fighting over this and I already made my points.

It wasn’t a “bet” in the sense gambling…. because God knows the futur… Satan doesn’t…
God knew Job and that Job would not blame God for all the things Satan was doing to him.

you have to accept some things you cannot fully understand in this world.

God setup you with the knowledge of these things and the wrongs and bads and if you continue to do the wrongs how is God to blame? like Maddogg said you can change your ways God isn;t stopping you from doing anything.

god WANTS you to believe in him, he WILL NOT force you to believe him or stop you from doing any wrongs.

again that goes to my point earlier,

what kind of servant would you want?
the one that chooses you, or the one you forced to choose you and he has no choice.

Did I specify or mention you had to be christian to not be condemed?

not at all, you could be from any religion:

the criteria is you must believe in him accept him as your savior and ask forgiveness for your sins.

its easy, you must be saved. The bible clearly states this in many verses.

@ncscswitch:

But with that you assume I am bad/evil/damned just because I am not a follower of a religion the same as yours.

If you are correct, then 5,000,000,000 out of 7,000,000,000 are damned and doomed.

your right on the Numbers… I wouldn’t be half surprised if it was actually higher that arn’t saved.
how many people do you think go by the criteria I have mentioned above?

who was this Pagan Centurion you speak of?

The problem, Switch, is you are trying to say that because God created a system where you can committ evil, then you should be absolved of your evil because it wasn’t your fault.

That’s not true.  God set up a system allowing all humans to choose their own path between good and evil.  However, just as with raising children on the prime material plane of existance, people can choose to break the rules.  If you choose to break the rules, then you get punished.