SZ6 Scramble

@witt

Thank you for clarification! :)

@dale Welcome to the forum :slightly_smiling_face: .
I have just found this topic in “Find Online Players” so I moved it here.

… even if the attacher has other sea units set aside for bombardments?

This is against the rules, as "If sea combat occurs, all attacking and defending sea and air units present must participate in the battle. " (Rulebook Europe 1940.2, page 18).
So you are not allowed to split your attacking units forSea Combat on the one hand and Bombardment on the other hand.

Yes; you are right.

@Kreuzfeld:

@simon33:

I wish there was a defender decision phase between combat move and conduct combat to clarify these things. Declare kami, scramble and intercept are all effectively done before any dice are rolled.

There is.
Scramble happens at the end of movementphase (as the last thing)
Kami assignment happens as the first ting in combatphase, and are resolved before any combat begins
then you do bombing raids
then you do all your amphibous assault combats
then you do general combat.

RulebookE page 16 says

Scrambling is a special movement that the defender can
make at the end of this phase. It must be done after all of
the attacker�s combat movements have been completed

RulebookP Page 16

Japanese
player can announce at the beginning of this phase that he or
she intends to launch one or more kamikaze strikes in that sea
zone. They are resolved before any combat begins.

It isn’t as obvious as what I would like. That’s all I’m saying. You have to dig into the nuances of the rules to understand how everything works.

On the subject of the Flying Tiger unit allocated to China, by the way, a nice way to provide a distinctive sculpt for it is to borrow a green American fighter sculpt from A&A 1941.  The 1941 Allied fighter in that game is a Curtiss P-40 Warhawk, the plane actually flown (famously painted with a shark mouth design) by the Flying Tigers.

Thanks again!

@Gargantua:

So there is a DEFINITE seperation between invading a Friendly Neutral, and a friendly/allied territory.

That is what we’re currently trying to determine.

@kcdzim:

A) if the US controls finland (or has fighters there), it’s no longer neutral.  It MUST be at war to be in Finland, no other way around it.
B) if any axis power declares war on Russia on the Europe side of the map, Russia is no longer neutral (it’s at war with someone, so it’s a friendly power to the Allies).
C) Declaring War occurs at the beginning of the move phase, and scrambling occurs at the end (at which point Russia is at war with at least one Axis power).

So in your example, as Russia is not neutral, and the US is not neutral, US planes in Finland can scramble to the seazone against an attack on Russia.

Correct, except that TheDefinitiveS said “UK”, not “US”, but that is a minor point.  Either way, the scrambling power is at war.

@kcdzim:

Neutral non player powers are different, in that they never automatically flip to a side, they just change to “friendly neutrals”.

Not exactly true.  When attacked, they join the opposite side from the attacker.

@kcdzim:

And even “friendly neutrals” require a non combat move into them to take control, even after they’re forces have been activated by a failed enemy attack.

After being attacked, they are no longer neutral, but friendly to the opposite side from their attacker.  However, the territory and forces are uncontrolled, as you say.  The question at hand is the timing of this status change.

@kcdzim:

And a friendly neutral is not the same as a player power not yet at war - they have completely different diplomatic rules.  For example, if Russia is not at war on the Europe map, Britain CANNOT noncombat move through their spaces.  It is NOT the same as a friendly neutral, for lack of a better term it’s a Neutral Power, completely different than a Friendly Neutral or a Strict Neutral.

Correct.

@Peck:

Italy has a navy in zone 110 uncontested, on Germanys turn they bring in transports and ships for an amphib on UK in same sea zone as Italian fleet.  Does the Italian fleet defend against the scramble from UK?

No.  The scrambling is defense against Germany’s attack.  So like all other battles, friendly units in the seazone are not included.  On offense, only one power is involved.  On defense, multiple powers are involved.