L22 Pejon_88 (X) vs. Gamerman01 (A+15), BM4, game #2

I’m not sure what you mean.
I’ll give up on the Leningrad to Ukraine thing.

In Triple A I moved a bomber to Leningrad, a bomber to Stalingrad, and 2 fighters to Ukraine to escort.

The bomber from Gibraltar couldn’t reach any of these targets, and was left on Gribraltar in my combat move.

In other words, I think my combat move should stand. The dice rolled were exactly on that combat move. The forum die roll was because I thought I could hit Ukraine with Gibraltar bomber, but that is impossible. So I’m leaving everything as is in Triple A.

I made the mistakes/confusion, so I’m leaving the damage in Leningrad and no damage for Ukraine. I forgot to move the bomber from Gibraltar, so I’ll just leave it there.

Unless I’m forgetting something, that’s basically just leaving everything as is in Triple A. The forum dice don’t count because it’s for a SBR that I wanted to do, that wasn’t even possible.

I understand if you want to protest any of this, we’ll just have to get an agreed-upon league player to mediate since there is no other moderator.

SORRY! I think you’ll see what I mean after considering what I wrote here, but I assure you we can go to a 3rd party if we don’t agree.

The forum AA doesn’t count because it was rolled after the MARTI AA’s for the other 2 bombers and because it’s impossible for a 3rd bomber to fly over any of the Russian IC’s.

TripleA Turn Summary: UK_Pacific round 12

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3

Game History

Round: 12

    Purchase Units - Americans
        Americans buy 1 artillery, 4 fighters, 9 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Americans
        1 bomber moved from Caroline Islands to Guam
        2 infantry moved from Wake Island to 31 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 31 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 21 Sea Zone to Guam
        1 armour moved from New Zealand to 63 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from New Zealand to 63 Sea Zone
        1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 63 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone
        1 armour and 1 infantry moved from 34 Sea Zone to Paulau Island
        1 bomber moved from Russia to Novgorod
        2 fighters moved from Russia to Ukraine
        1 bomber moved from Tobruk to Volgograd
        1 destroyer and 2 fighters moved from 96 Sea Zone to 95 Sea Zone
        2 fighters and 2 submarines moved from 96 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone

    Combat - Americans
        Air Battle in Ukraine
            Air Battle is over, the bombers have all died
        Strategic bombing raid in Novgorod
                Germans roll AA dice in Novgorod : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
            Bombing raid in Novgorod rolls: 8 and causes: 6 damage to unit: factory_minor
            Bombing raid in Novgorod causes 6 damage total. 
        Strategic bombing raid in Volgograd
                Germans roll AA dice in Volgograd : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
            Bombing raid in Volgograd rolls: 4 and causes: 4 damage to unit: factory_minor
            Bombing raid in Volgograd causes 4 damage total. 
        Battle in Paulau Island
            Americans attack with 1 armour and 1 infantry
            Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                Americans roll dice for 1 armour and 1 infantry in Paulau Island, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Paulau Island, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Paulau Island
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Paulau Island
            Americans win, taking Paulau Island from Japanese with 1 armour remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
        Battle in Guam
            Americans attack with 1 bomber and 2 infantry
            Japanese defend with 1 airfield and 2 infantry
                Americans roll dice for 1 bomber and 2 infantry in Guam, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 2 infantry in Guam, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Guam
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Guam
                Americans roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Guam, round 3 : 0/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Guam, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Guam, round 4 : 0/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Guam, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Guam, round 5 : 1/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Guam, round 5 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Guam
            Americans win, taking Guam from Japanese with 1 bomber and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Japanese: 2 infantry
        Battle in 97 Sea Zone
            Americans attack with 2 fighters and 2 submarines
            Italians defend with 1 destroyer
                Americans roll dice for 2 submarines in 97 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 destroyer in 97 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the Italians lost in 97 Sea Zone
            Americans win, taking 97 Sea Zone from Neutral with 2 fighters and 2 submarines remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
            Casualties for Italians: 1 destroyer
        Battle in 95 Sea Zone
            Americans attack with 1 destroyer and 2 fighters
            Italians defend with 1 submarine
                Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer and 2 fighters in 95 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 submarine in 95 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                1 submarine owned by the Italians lost in 95 Sea Zone
            Americans win with 1 destroyer and 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
            Casualties for Italians: 1 submarine
        Cleaning up after air battles

    Non Combat Move - Americans
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        3 submarines moved from 91 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Iraq to Trans-Jordan
        1 aaGun, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 4 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys moved from Tobruk to Alexandria
        2 fighters moved from 95 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
        2 carriers, 1 cruiser, 3 destroyers and 4 transports moved from 96 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Central United States to 101 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 101 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
        1 marine moved from Central United States to 101 Sea Zone
        1 battleship and 1 marine moved from 101 Sea Zone to 28 Sea Zone
        1 armour and 1 infantry moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone
        1 armour, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 10 Sea Zone to 31 Sea Zone
        1 armour and 1 infantry moved from 31 Sea Zone to Wake Island
        1 infantry and 1 marine moved from New Zealand to 63 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from Guam to Marianas
        2 submarines moved from 63 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
        1 battleship, 3 carriers, 2 cruisers, 3 destroyers, 1 infantry, 1 marine, 9 submarines and 1 transport moved from 63 Sea Zone to 31 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 63 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 marine moved from 31 Sea Zone to Wake Island
        2 fighters moved from Wake Island to Caroline Islands
        1 bomber moved from Volgograd to Tambov
        1 bomber moved from Novgorod to Russia
        2 fighters moved from Ukraine to Russia
        2 fighters moved from Western United States to Wake Island
        5 fighters moved from Trans-Jordan to Alexandria
        2 fighters moved from 97 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from Sikang to Tambov

    Place Units - Americans
        4 fighters placed in Eastern United States
        1 transport placed in 10 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry placed in Western United States
        8 infantry placed in Central United States

    Turn Complete - Americans
        Americans collect 52 PUs; end with 52 PUs
        Trigger Americans 7 North Africa Beach Head: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 57 PUs
        Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 67 PUs
        Objective Americans 9 Vital Forward Bases: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 72 PUs
        Objective Americans 8 Pacific Airfields: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 77 PUs
        Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 82 PUs
        Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 87 PUs

    Purchase Units - Chinese
        Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
        Chinese buy 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Chinese
        2 infantry moved from Sikang to Szechwan
        1 fighter moved from Kansu to Szechwan

    Combat - Chinese
        Battle in Szechwan
            Chinese attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry
            Japanese defend with 1 mech_infantry
                Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Szechwan, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 mech_infantry in Szechwan, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Szechwan
                1 mech_infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Szechwan
            Chinese win, taking Szechwan from Japanese with 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1
            Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 mech_infantry

    Non Combat Move - Chinese
        1 fighter moved from Szechwan to Kansu
        2 infantry moved from Shensi to Sikang

    Place Units - Chinese
        1 infantry placed in Tsinghai
        1 infantry placed in Sikang

    Turn Complete - Chinese
        Chinese collect 6 PUs; end with 7 PUs

    Purchase Units - British
        British buy 2 armour, 1 carrier and 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Purchase Units - UK_Pacific
        UK_Pacific buy 1 armour and 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - British
        1 armour moved from Burma to Malaya
              UK_Pacific take Shan State from Japanese
              UK_Pacific take Malaya from Japanese

    Combat - British

    Non Combat Move - British
        2 transports moved from 75 Sea Zone to 71 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer and 4 transports moved from 96 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Libya to Tunisia
        1 armour, 1 artillery, 6 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Tobruk to Alexandria
        1 fighter moved from Trans-Jordan to Alexandria
        2 armour, 3 fighters and 1 infantry moved from Iraq to Trans-Jordan
        1 armour moved from Tanganyika Territory to Italian Somaliland
        1 infantry moved from Rhodesia to Tanganyika Territory
        1 infantry moved from Northwest Persia to Iraq
        1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 2 destroyers and 1 transport moved from 80 Sea Zone to 77 Sea Zone
        3 aaGuns, 4 artilleries and 27 infantry moved from Burma to India
        1 tactical_bomber moved from India to Trans-Jordan

    Place Units - British
        1 armour and 2 infantry placed in Union of South Africa
        1 armour placed in United Kingdom
        1 carrier placed in 109 Sea Zone
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by British from 106 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer and 1 submarine
        EDIT: Removing units owned by British from 91 Sea Zone: 1 submarine
        EDIT: Adding units owned by British to 109 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer and 2 submarines
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

    Turn Complete - British
        British collect 30 PUs; end with 30 PUs
        Objective British 4 Control Convoy Lanes: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 33 PUs

    Place Units - UK_Pacific
        1 armour and 1 infantry placed in India

    Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 0
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 37 Sea Zone. Rolls: 4,6
        UK_Pacific collect 10 PUs; end with 10 PUs
        Trigger UK Pacific 4 No Enemy Submarines: UK_Pacific met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 13 PUs
        Some Units in India change ownership: 1 armour and 1 infantry

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Chinese regular : 0.17
Americans regular : -1.17
Italians regular : -0.50
Japanese regular : 0.67
Germans AA : -0.33

Savegame

Yes, thank you, I’m relieved because the whole thing was a bit confusing and it was my fault. I don’t want there to be any misunderstanding between us.

I’d like to take this opportunity to recap in the interest of coming to the same understanding.

Forum dice absolutely have the same weight as MARTI, I completely agree.

I caused some confusion when I left combat move with 2 fighters as escorts over Ukraine in Triple A with no bomber. So I thought, oh, I meant to have the Gibraltar bomber there (see PM sent to you at the time).

2 in game SBR’s, MARTI dice rolled automatically for each.
You said no intercept, so I rolled on forum not knowing the move was impossible.

Forum dice disregarded for 2 reasons - they were the latest in time, and they were only rolled because I thought I had a 3rd legal SBR which I did not.

Thanks again for talking it through!! Cooler heads prevail.

Because this is all from my slip-up on the combat move, I’m just going to leave the damage on Leningrad and not ask for Ukraine.

I’m also not asking to move the bomber to a different place from Gibraltar, although that’s a good position for it anyway. :hushed:
Please say if you don’t think this is fair.

@gamerman01 said in L22 Pejon_88 (X) vs. Gamerman01 (A+15), BM4, game #2:

I’m also not asking to move the bomber to a different place from Gibraltar, although that’s a good position for it anyway. :hushed:
Please say if you don’t think this is fair.

What I mean is, the bomber effectively did nothing during the turn, when it could have supported battles in the Med or could have moved somewhere else.

OK, good deal, we can move on!

TripleA Turn Summary: French round 12

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3

Game History

Round: 12

    Purchase Units - ANZAC
        ANZAC buy 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 3 PUs; 

    Combat Move - ANZAC
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from New South Wales to 62 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 62 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java

    Combat - ANZAC
        Battle in Java
            ANZAC attack with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
            Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                ANZAC roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Java, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Java, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the ANZAC lost in Java
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Java
            ANZAC win, taking Java from Japanese with 1 artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for ANZAC: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - ANZAC
        2 infantry moved from West India to India
        2 aaGuns and 2 infantry moved from Queensland to South Australia
        4 submarines moved from 63 Sea Zone to 31 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 62 Sea Zone to 63 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Queensland to Caroline Islands

    Place Units - ANZAC
        1 artillery and 1 infantry placed in New South Wales
        1 transport placed in 62 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - ANZAC
        ANZAC collect 14 PUs; end with 17 PUs
        Trigger ANZAC 1 Control Original And Malaya: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 20 PUs
        Objective ANZAC 3 Pacific Supply Lines: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 23 PUs
        Objective ANZAC 2 Control Strategic Islands: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 26 PUs

    Combat Move - French

    Non Combat Move - French
        1 destroyer moved from 75 Sea Zone to 77 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - French

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Japanese regular : 0.67
ANZAC regular : 0.33

Savegame

That is an excellent G13

Alright, this is a tough call, but I’m going to resign now.

It’s hard to do that when I have so much material and several important bastions that I think I can hold for some time, but your extremely defensive and methodical strategy with virtually no over-sights means I will not be able to win.

We both know I have to take something back and hold it to have a chance. You’re too patient to take any meaningful chances, it just takes me tons of effort and you don’t bite because you don’t have to. This is what the planes do for you, and why you buy them - you like the strategy of taking what you need and protecting the gains. You don’t need to take Moscow or India fast, you just get enough income and a circle you can protect, and wait to starve them out.

Now I know your style. I’ve never seen it before. I am very experienced in stopping fast and aggressive Axis - a large portion of my experience is from playing a single person who always tried that, and also was always looking for gimmicks and surprises - it’s what he loved about the game. LOL goes to show why you should scout out your opponent if you know he’s really good. Eh, I don’t have the patience for that.

GOOD GAME, WELL PLAYED!

I’d be interested in an instant re-match, but it’s time to play Me1945 for my first semi-final since 2017… which was against Me1945. And I lost in 7 rounds.

Glancing back again at UK1, I notice a few more things going on with that ill-fated attack on 95. Although I’m not in the situation anymore, I see

Attack on 95 with no losses, carrier has to go to 93. Now I really don’t want Vichy, so reinforce South France with INF/AA as well as Normandy (so the French fleet doesn’t disappear)

For some reason I didn’t hit Ethiopia with 4 ground, cruiser, so those 3 units come up to surround Egypt. Of course, the 2 planes on the carrier in 93 get destroyed by the Germans and couldn’t fly to Egypt. Only the tac and the bomber on North Africa could, but with +3 Italians from the South and a transport out of the picture, it wasn’t enough.

Round one is critical!

Thanks for the game!

Thanks and thanks!
Sure we’ll rematch later, and I’ll probably have forgotten what you do, by then.

Maybe after this game I learn to play more “maturely” (patiently) with Me1945. But I doubt it.