• Hi all.  🙂

    Well, I looked back through 7 pages of variants and I’m kind of surprised (but pleasantly so) that I couldn’t find another thread on a WW2 ATO variant.

    I’ve got a new variant in the works that I believe is almost finished in terms of development. I just need to tidy up the map and finish painting it, and finalize my rules & notes. It’s pretty basic & straightforward, but it’s got a couple of advanced concepts that I think are pretty cool. I’ve  been working on it since the day after New Years '06 with much valuable help from my buddy Shane C, and I think we’ve got it down to the point at which I feel comfortable submitting it to the forum for comments, kudos, and constructive criticism……if anyone’s interested I’ll post the info up…hopefully y’all will like it.


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    I would love to see it Mauser! I had at one point started a Afrika Game for AaA but gave it up for a more time to devote to another project… The battle for North Africa in WW2 has always intrigued me…

    please post away!


  • Okay, here goes.

    First, some background……

    The focus of this variant is to simulate the “classic” African campaign, that of Monty vs. Rommel. I really wanted to accomlish two things; one, to be true to historical realities, and two, to stick to the spirit of a true Milton Bradley/Avalon Hill Axis and Allies game.

    My intent was to center the action around desert combat, and so there is no naval element to the game. Reason being, there were no shipyards in North Africa capable of turning out combat ships in any quantity, and as there aren’t many strategically valuable complexes in North Africa, the IPC level is relatively low compared to other variants, so players won’t necessarily have the funds to finance sizable navies. In addition, America isn’t involved at all, for a few reasons. One, historically, when America entered the fray in Africa, the Afrika Corps was close to the end of it’s rope. Two, America got into the ATO relatively late, and so in the interest of historical accuracy they would have to be brought in after a number of rounds had already been played; determining when to introduce America and by what method was a real PITA and I never did come up with a simple solution so I just about dropped the whole idea…more on that later. Third, and perhaps most important from a practicality standpoint, in order to stay true to history I would have had to include Algeria and Tunisia, which, due to the nature of the actual battlefield area, would’ve either had to have been REALLY big, or it would’ve had to have been “zoomed-out” too far and would’ve been less fun to play in my humble opinion.

    I have made a few “small” changes, or rather “enhancements” to three units, and I have also introduced a new element to the gameplay which I hope y’all will like.

    And now, the details…

  • The Combatants:

    Axis- Italy (yellow) & Germany (grey)
    Allies- United Kingdom (khaki)

    Order of Turns:


    Victory Condition:

    Capture the enemy capital.


    Axis- 22
    Allies- 24


    At the beginning of the first turn, each side gets a one-time bonus of 12 IPCs (as in A&AE) to spend
    or save as desired. Units purchased with this money must be placed upon the game board in any space or
    spaces the owner controls. No order of placement.


    Allied & German units are priced and purchased as normal, and enter the game through any or all of the
    purchaser’s 3 Reinforcement Zones.

    Italian units are slightly weaker and therefore slightly cheaper:

    Inf- 1/1, 2 IPC
    Art- 2/1, 3 IPC
    Arm- 2/2, 4 IPC
    Fit- 2/3, 10 IPC
    Bom- normal cost and stats
    AAA- normal cost and stats

    Reinforcement Zones (RZ)

    Other than the initial bonus money purchase units (which may be placed anywhere on the board), all units purchased during the game
    must enter the board through the RZ.

    Either side may control and  capture any RZs, and build units on any RZ.

    There is no limit to how many units may be built in any RZ.

    New unit/Unit abilities:

    I have “enhanced” the abilities of some units…

    Mechanized Infantry & Self-propelled/Towed artillery:

    Either player may choose any number of infantry and/or artillery pcs and move them one additional
    space on either his combat- or non-combat move, in any direction of movement, for a total of 2 spaces.
    However, in doing so, they have outrun their supply lines and must suffer a penalty of no combat- or
    non-combat movement during their controller’s next turn. They may still attack when they get to their
    2nd space, they may still defend while serving their penalty, and they may even retreat if the attack
    goes bad, but only one space back, at which time they are still out of gas and must still serve the
    next turn penalty. To simulate this status, they must be placed on their sides or upside down to
    portray their status. So basically, if you choose to move some units in this fashion, they are
    incapable of any movement (except retreat from the initial attack move) for their controller’s next
    turn. After that they are considered to be refueled and can be turned upright to resume normal


    May move an additional space too, for a maximum of 3 spaces, at which point the same
    conditions/limitations apply.

    However, there is an exception to this penalty rule, and an exception to that exception. On my map
    (which I will post pictures of as soon as I’m done painting it) I have drawn the Via Balbia, aka the
    coastal road. All 3 units may move their additional space on the coastal road without penalty, which
    simulates two things: first, it reflects the relative ease of resupply over a road as opposed to open
    desert, and second, it boosts the value of the coastal cities along the road, which is important as
    there aren’t a plethora of IPCs available for easy capture. This makes flanking and leapfrogging
    operations more important, thereby increasing movement complexity and ensuring the game won’t be so
    linear on a long, relatively narrow battlefield.

    And as I said, there is an exception to this exception; if the enemy is able to place a unit on the
    road within 2 spaces of the advaced unit/units’ rear, then the advanced unit’s supply line is
    considered cut and it must then be turned over to simulate this status. It must then serve the normal
    penalty the next turn unless the advanced unit’s controller can destroy the interloping enemy unit
    during his next attack phase. If he can do so, then the advanced unit may be turned upright and moved
    during the non-combat phase if so desired.  All of this will hopefully reflect the importance of
    protecting one’s flanks and rear area. Don’t want to leave those REMFs twisting in the breeze, you
    know.  :evil:

    Anti-tank Guns:

    The 88 earned it’s legendary status on the battlefields of North Africa, so I felt the need to include
    some kind of anti-tank capability, but I didn’t want to add more new units than necessary so I’ve
    decided to allow the players to designate artillery pcs as AT guns at their discretion. They can be
    very powerful when employed properly (wisely), but there must be some balance so there are some


    1. Arty may only be AT guns while on defense.
    2. They may only target tanks while in this mode.
    3. They are a one-shot deal, meaning they take no further part in combat in that space on that turn.
    4. Controlled may designate either some or all of his arty pcs in a space as AT guns.
    5. One gun to one tank.
    6. They fire before all other combat in that space.
    7. They hit on a 3 or less.
    8. Any enemy tank thus hit is removed immediately without firing a shot.

    Which brings me to what I think is the coolest part of my variant, the new unit….


    Minefields are a fundamental tool of desert warfare and can be very effective when
    properly employed. They may be purchased and positioned like any other unit, but they are not revealed
    to the enemy until he stumbles into the space containing it. The purchaser may hold his chip off to
    the side of the board until such time that it’s presence is discovered. In addition, there are
    some important rules to observe:

    1. They cost 8 IPCs and are represented on the game board by a chip with an “M” on one side.
    2. They are like AA guns in that they cannot be fired upon by an attacker.
    3. Only 1 minefield per space, like AA guns.
    4. Mines cannot be placed in an enemy controlled space.
    4. They cannot be placed on city or road spaces.
    5. Enemy units cannot occupy or control a space with an enemy minefield still inside it.
    6. Defending units may occupy or move through a minefield without damage.
    7. The controller must declare a minefield immediately upon entry by the enemy, or forfeit the   
        minefield back to the bank.
    8. Once declared, all invading units which move into a minefield space must stop to receive damage.

    Minefield Combat:

    When an enemy moves into a minefield, the mine controller declares the minefield and places his “M”
    chip upon the space for the first time. The enemy’s forces stop all movement. The mine controller gets
    a one-shot roll of 1 die for each enemy land unit in the field, and hits on a roll of 3 or less during
    this first roll only. This simulates the surprise and chaos of an initial minefield encounter. All
    land units hit by mine rolls are removed immediately. At this point, the minefield has done it’s job
    and ground combat can take place as normal. If the attacking force is able to clear the space of
    defending units, then the attacker can roll 1 die in an attempt to “sweep” the minefield needing a
    roll of 2 or less to sweep successfully. If he gets his roll he may then remove the chip and take
    control of the space, and if not then he must retreat.

    On each subsequent enemy incursion into the minefield, it’s no longer a secret that it’s there, so
    while it’s still dangerous I believe it’s effectiveness should be reduced somewhat. Subsequently,
    every time thereafter when a minefield roll is required (for that particular minefield), it only hits
    at a 2 or less for each invading unit. And conversely, as it’s effectiveness has gone down, the
    invader’s ability to sweep it should be slightly improved, and he can now sweep it on a roll of 3 or
    less. This status stays in effect until the minefield is swept clear.

    AA guns (Flak)

    Flak may be mechanized as per the conditions of infantry and artillery, max move 2 spaces with the resulting penalty.

    May be purchased as per normal rules, 5 IPC.
    Always fire first against attacking aircraft, rolling 1 die per plane and hitting on a roll of 1.
    Also fire first against Tactical Bombing Raids with same conditions.
    Only fire once in the combat cycle.
    Cannot be destroyed. If the space they occupy falls to the enemy, that player gains control of any AA units within.

    Other thoughts:

    1. Artillery still modifies accompanying infantry attack strength to 2 as normal.
    2. Aircraft still move, attack, and defend as normal (see Italian exceptions).
    3. There are a couple large spaces on the map which are considered impassable terrain, such as the Qattara Depression and the Jebel Akhdar.
    4. Land units may not pass through these, but aircraft may fly over them.
    5. There are also a couple of huge spaces of impassable terrain,the Great Sand Sea and the Dehan Ubari.
    6. These may not be moved through NOR flown over.


    May land in any space owned or controlled by the plane’s controller.
    Cannot land in enemy territory.
    Cannot land in a space captured during that turn. 
    Cannot fly over water.

    Tactical Bombing Raids: (TBR)

    Since there are no factories to bomb, bombers may instead attack units in any enemy RZ on a tactical bombing raid .  Bombers in a TBR must survive the defender’s flak getting it’s normal preemptive roll . In this case, bombers hit on a roll of 1, like normal, but the defender chooses which units in that RZ are lost to hits. No fighter escort.

    I believe that’s everything, and I don’t think I missed anything, although it’s possible. I didn’t
    want to get too complicated, but I did want to make the game more interesting, so there it is. Any
    questions or suggestions are welcome. Like I mentioned above, my map is drawn, but the painting isn’t
    quite done yet…I’ll post some pics when it’s done, within the next day or so.

    Thanks guys.


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    Some interesting concepts there… How large are your territories? Did you think about making Atleast Mech Infantry a separate unit or making it cost IPC’s to do it?


  • How large are your territories?

    They’re on the small side, maybe a bit too small for the map to be honest, but I wanted to ensure you weren’t able to move across the board in 4 turns.

    Did you think about making Atleast Mech Infantry a separate unit…

    No. I didn’t want to add complexity, and I figured that, as they’re just regular infantry units that hitched a ride, there was no need to denote their special, but temporary status.

    …or making it cost IPC’s to do it?

    No, I didn’t. I thought that there should be no cost to it because of the one-turn penalty attached to it.


  • '17 '16 '15 Organizer '14 Customizer '13 '12 '11 '10


    Please post the pic like you did at Larry site except in full size.

    This is really great work.

  • @Imperious:


    Please post the pic like you did at Larry site except in full size.

    This is really great work.

    You lost me.


  • '17 '16 '15 Organizer '14 Customizer '13 '12 '11 '10

    arent you the same chap who is posting on Harris site about the same project?


    if not nevermind.

    when its done please post pics. thanks and good work.

  • No, I’m not him. In fact, I’d say his map humbles mine somewhat.  :oops:  But thank you for the kind words.  🙂

    The board should be done sometime this coming week.


  • Okay, the board is done. And I’ve updated the notes in reply #3 above.

    Here are some pics:

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  • More:

    (My digicam isn’t the greatest…sorry about the quality of some pics. :oops:)

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  • Some with units on the board:

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  • '17 '16 '15 Organizer '14 Customizer '13 '12 '11 '10

    OK this is inspiring!

    Really nice job. Id make some nice cards for to go with this game if i was you. Where the territories made ( decided upon) by the basis of some map or was it mostly just making them of a certain size?

    also where is the order of battle for what forces are used? also please list reinforcements.

    I want to playtest this.

    Congradulations are in order as you have made something very creative.

  • @Imperious:

    OK this is inspiring!

    Really nice job. Id make some nice cards for to go with this game if i was you.

    Thank you for the kind words. 🙂

    By “cards”, if you mean the Unit Allocation Cards that determine your initial setup, then Yes, they are the next thing on the agenda. I haven’t made them yet because my buddy and co/creator Shane C and I haven’t finalized the initial unit setup. The layout of units in the pics above is a preliminary kind of thing which I did while watching football last night. I think it might be a good basis to start playtesting with, but I want to get my buddy’s feedback on that before I commit anything to paper. Meanwhile, the layout you see in the pics reflects my interpretation of the Theater at the beginning of hostilities, i.e., on the eve of the first Italian cros-border attack. The Italian units are more or less massed on the border, about to invade, and the British placement reflects a disposition better suited to counterattack than to initial defense. Meanwhile, the German forces are a couple of moves away, which I intended to portray their relative late arrival on the scene. Historically speaking, the Italians and the British fought across the border for a while before the Germans found it necessary (dubiously so, IMHO) to send the Italians some help. Hopefully, this will work out just so in actual play.

    Where the territories made ( decided upon) by the basis of some map or was it mostly just making them of a certain size?

    They were drawn right out of my head, and I tried to keep them of a size that would permit easy chip stacking. The coastline, borders, and geographic features are all drawn to scale and are more or less correctly placed. To make the map I usd some acetate overlay on a map I have to trace it all out, and then I used an overhead projector to blow it all up to game board size, using a 48" x 24" sheet of .090" polycarbonate as my board. I drew the spaces in later over the course of two evenings, starting with the area around the middle of the board, i.e., the area between Benghazi and El Alamein, as I figured it would be the easiest area to fill in. Turns out it wasn’t as easy as I thought….anyone who makes a gameboard map certainly has my respect and admiration because I found the experience to alternate between difficult to tedious and back again.  😄 (Okay, wasn’t really that  bad)

    I did think about going hex-based, as many folks seem to like that system better, but I decided not to because I wasn’t sure I’d be able to map out the spaces like I wanted them. If you look closely, the spaces I’ve drawn do have a certain bit of flow to them, especially around the road areas. I thought that was necessary, and hexes wouldn’t have comformed the way I wanted them to without being too small to use. As it is now, some of the spaces might be a bit on the small side, won’t know for sure until we test it out tonight.

    also where is the order of battle for what forces are used?

    1. Italy
    2. England
    3. Germany

    also please list reinforcements.

    See reply #3 above, back on page 1…  🙂

    I want to playtest this.

    It would be an honor to have someone else playing my variant. I still have to figure out how to make the board available to others. Any suggestions? I have an idea or two, still have to look into them.

    Congradulations are in order as you have made something very creative.

    Thank you very much again.  🙂


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    Beautiful… The map and the design notes you have mentioned are truly mouth watering… Keep us posted please…

  • Thanks, GG.  🙂

    Well, it’s midnight here in PA, and we just finished the first four rounds of playtesting the game. Lots to tell, and a bunch of needed revisions have been identified. I’m whupped, long day, but I’ll post it all tomorrow night.


  • Yo, Mauser,

    You got us on pins and needles here!  :roll:

  • I would also like to say that I’m a fan of the Africa A&A idea and the concept that you have created.

    I would like to add a suggestion for the game play. Hopefully replay ability as well. Have you thought about adding in Supply depots? Like when the Germans took toburke most of there fuel was stolen from the british. So have strategic places of defense which would make offense risker beacuse if the british over attacked they could lose a supply depot whihc would give new breath to the Germans.

    Also have you thought about adding in a Maltia varient? I think without a Maltia phase this would not be making it historically accurate as one would hope. From my very small readings on this topic the German’s sent jsut as many tanks and planes to North Africa but a third was sent to the bottom of the mediterian. So adding in this could add to the game I think. With this you have the German suplly lines weak and you could spend a lot of your time trying to secure these supply lines for a longer war or forget about that and press then game from the get go.

    I would like to suggest a Truck as a new unit. This would provide added mobility to your units. So say if they were off the road then one truck could power 2 tanks to go 3 spaces. I don’t no its just an idea. Plus this truck could tow an artliery which would add mobility to war but this could cause the truck to move less distance do to the towing of this artillery?

    I tihnk that the Itilan units being cheaper and weaker is a marvelous addition. I think they should develope an A&A like this showing the national advantages of each nation.

    I hope you are not annoyed with my suggestions.  I’m just very interested in this part of the war along with the early part of the Russia campigan by the Germans.  I hope to see this in stores soon.


  • Working on my first playtest notes as you read this. Will have them up shortly.  🙂


  • '17 '16 '15 Organizer '14 Customizer '13 '12 '11 '10

    Yea add the trucks your gonna get in the new bulge game. The new german fighter would be of use as well.

  • Okay, sorry for the delay guys.

    We played about four rounds, and we discovered a few problems which we have hopefully found working
    solutions for. But first:

    First impressions:

    1. The Italian units, while cheap, are somewhat of a hindrance. Their tanks in particular
    certainly look impressive in a big ol’ stack, but one certainly needs to keep in mind that they attack
    on a two, not a three. Both myself and my buddy paid a small price for forgetting this. Their infantry
    works well enough on attack so long as you send artillery with them, since they get that +1 artillery
    modifier. However, as they defend at a 1, their defensive value lies more in soaking up hits to
    protect more valuable units as opposed to dishing out hits of their own, which in our game were few in
    number. The good thing is that they are cheap, so if one plays the game as I had intended, one will
    quickly learn to spend a decent sum on Italian infantry to take the brunt of punishment from the
    inevitable counter-attacks. I’m pleased to say that all of this does work well although it does take
    some getting used to. And the loss rate can be horrific depending how you play. My buddy and I pretty
    much tried to explore all the nuances of the game, and more often than not we threw all the forces we
    could get at each other and the losses were pretty staggering in Italian manpower.

    2. The Anti-tank element is awesome. It really can act as a deterrent to large tank formations
    being used as battering rams because a sizable number of Italian guns can shred a tank formation and
    is cheaper to build a force out of than German artillery. Both my buddy and I really had to switch
    gears out of our normal strategies and try to find ways to manouver our tanks around large AT gun
    formations. This produced alot of casualties at first, and then we really started working on our
    outflanking skills. This, I believe, is the key to defeating a massed-gun strategy. Going at your
    opponent with a large tank formation is a recipe for trouble if he’s got a sizable AT stack awaiting

    3. The Axis needs to be combined into one homogenous force, not two autonomous entities. The Axis
    player will be using them together both on attack and defense, and both the Italians and the Germans
    draw from the same pool of IPCs, so it makes sense to reduce the order of turns from the original
    three to two.

    4. In hindsight, I have erred a bit on the turn order. Historically, the British struck first in
    Africa, raiding across the border to capture two Italian forts on the Libyan side and striking at
    other pbjectives which caught the Italians somewhat unprepared. As such, I’ve amended the turn order
    so that the Allies move first, then the Axis.

    5. To keep to a more historically accurate timeline which represents the relatively late arrival of
    the Germans, I’ve also decided to “freeze” them in ALL phases during the first turn only. This is
    intended to keep them from arring on the scene of battle too soon into the game. The reason for this
    is that we laid the pcs out in our initial setup and while we had the German units held back a few
    spaces from the front lines, we didn’t want to mess with the first setup until we knew if it worked or
    not. I wasn’t sure how much strength to give any of the three forces, and while I did have a good idea
    where to place the units I wasn’t sure how it would work……one side might have had too big an
    advantage in initial placement, so rather than adjust them we decided to play it out and see if we
    liked it. As such, we needed to “freeze” the Germans the first turn to keep things balanced and
    accurate. This may be thrown out at a a later time once we see how this first game goes. There may be
    no need to freeze them if we feel that simply moving the German units a couple more spaces back will
    take care of timing issues.

    6. There are some small issues with the board itself, mainly in that a couple of the spaces need to be
    altered to make the game flow better. This has to do with the Coastal road and two of the impassable
    zones. This latter issue stems from the fact that I originally stated that the impenetrable spaces
    could be flown over, but we discovered that they were too big for one space (they’d allow airplanes to
    move WAY too far if one chose to move into and then out of those spaces. The easy solution was to
    divide those two spaces up so that they couldn’t be abused in this manner.

    7. The El Alamein area was historically a bottleneck which the Axis simply HAD to defeat in order to
    move on to Cairo, and we know they did not succeed in this. IN designing my board, I had this right in
    the front of my mind, and knowing that due to the Qattara Depression the Axis had not way of
    outflanking the 8th Army, I drew the board accordingly with only one route to Cairo. After having
    played a bit, though, we decided it might be necessary to make a path around the southern side of the
    QD in order to make the game more playable. The obvious solution is to create a path around it, but
    make it longer than the direct route through El Alamein so as to simulate a longer, more difficult
    trex across the deeps pf the deseert wastes. This is admittedly NOT historically accurate, but might
    improve the gameplay. This one is still just an idea, and I might shelve it. Not sure yet.

    Now for some problems and kinks we had to find and then solve:

    8.) For one thing, let’s look at Antitank guns. According to the rules as I drew them up, once
    they got their shots in on any attacking tanks, they were then withdrawn from that combat. This was
    intended to force the defender to choose between taking out tanks and worrying about the rest of the
    attacker’s force. The defender would have to decide if, after removing his AT from combat, he still
    had enough defensive power to successfuly hold the enemy off. It’s important for the defender to
    balance how much AT firepower he needed to take tanks out with the amount of firepower he needed to
    fight off the attackers other units. This is very important, as in one case one of us virtually
    depleted our defensve strength in order to smash the attacker’s tank force and we lost that space as a
    result of this. One must consider whether it is more important to take out his tanks or hold the
    space. Who knows, you might want all of his tanks killed, so you might be willing to trade a space of
    empty desert for the elimination of his armor.

    But here’s the problem we discovered:

    After you declare your AT guns and they get their shots
    in, they are supposed to play no further part in that combat. Well……then what? What if you lose the
    space? What happened to those guns?

    We decided to give the defender a choice:

    A. Retreat the guns 1 space, thereby saving them for the next turn. This simulates a defensive
    “shoot-n-scoot” strategy. This may save your guns to fight another day, but it may hurt your next-turn
    counter-attack plans.

    B. NO retreat for the guns, and if you lose that space they are captured and can then be used by
    the enemy.
    This works from a historical POV, because there certainly was some amount of re-use of
    enemy equipment by both sides. the key here is to correctly ascertain whether or not you think you can
    hold the attacker off and retain control of that space. If you got some nasty rolls on defense and
    just decimated the attacker, you may not want to retreat your guns out of that space. It’s all up to
    the particulars of that situation. Counterattack strategy plays heavily into this.

    9.) Those extra move spaces really add a powerful new element to Axis and Allies. Now you have
    to consider not only if you can win this battle, but also if you can survive the enemy’s
    counterattack. Now it can come from further away, which means you must think ahead several moves at
    times as in chess.

    Again, there is a problem with the original rules:

    If one moves his unit the extra space, it suffers a penalty unless it moves the extra space on a road. BUT……there are two
    possibilities here that I am embarrased to say that I didn’t originally consider:.

    A. The unit moves it’s extra space from a desert space to a road, or…
    B. …it moves from the road to a desert space.

    We thought that there must be some kind of provision for this, and the answer was simple enough. If a
    unit moves it’s extra space and finishes movement on a road space, it should not be penalized because
    the road is the supply lifeline and units that move extra spaces on roads aren’t penalized normally as
    per the original rules (unless there is an enemy unit on the road in it’s rear, as originally stated).

    Conversly, if the unit moves from the road to the desert and finishes in a desert space, then it
    shall be considered penalized because moving away from the road moves it away from supply. Once again,
    this produces some interesting results. Flanking again becomes very useful here, as does some
    well-thought-out movement strategy.

    More coming…


  • So, in summary (so far)…

    The Italians are indeed weak, but if used correctly can be very useful; just don’t rely too heavily on them for offensive punch unless you’ve got alot of them.

    The Anti-tank element is a great addition which really makes you think a little bit harder about what you want to do and when to do it.

    The roads are indeed valuable real-estate, as their no-penalty status can really make the difference in launching crushing counterattacks.

    The extra-space movement also works great, but it must be used wisely or you’ll leave yourself hanging. Isolated units are ripe targets for slaughter which can thwart your plans in a brutal fashion.

    Long-range strategy is REALLY important, as you will want to plan your moves a couple turns in advance (at least).

    Proper planning re: moving and positioning  your reinforcements is crucial. Do it right, and you will have a powerful wave of attacks which can really smash your enemy, and your losses on defense won’t be so debilitating because your counterattacks will really clean up.

    The Minefields worked exactly as anticipated. Quite useful in deterrence.

    I do believe that it might be necessary to adjust the IPC levels of both sides up somewhat, like maybe  2 or 3 apiece, but no more than that, I think. Our first game turned into a real meat grinder along the Libyan/Egyptian border as we both sought to first smash the other’s defenses, and then to outthink/outflank them. The extra space move really helps with this, but again, you’ve gotta be wise about it. I discovered that it was all too easy for my buddy to drive a wedge right through my forces as I tried to sneak a tank detachment around his southern flank. Lucky for me that I was able to get out of that trap, but had my units be under a penalty, I would’ve been carved up in detail.

    As for initial unit dispositions, the one we started with may work  just fine, but that remains to be determined. We probably won’t know for sure until this first game has been decided. One thing that is certain, however, is that airpower didn’t play as much of a deciding role as I thought it would, so I might add more airpower to the initial deployment, as I was a bit conservative this first time. (two fighters, one bomber apiece.)

    Anyway, so far, so good. There were some bugs to address, but I think we got those taken care of. This really looks like it works well, and I think we had fun trying it out. It was relatively fast paced….well, it didn’t drag on, anyway. As for the comments above on the BOTB pcs, We’ll have to look at those when they become available, but for right now I think the original concept works well. I think the supply trucks might be useful, but they might upset the balance so we’ll have to see how they could fit in.

    Thanks so much for the interest and the insights, guys. It’s really appreciated and gives me much food for thought. I’ll keep updating s we go along.


  • @Rhineland:

    I would also like to say that I’m a fan of the Africa A&A idea and the concept that you have created.

    Thank you sir.  🙂

    I hope you are not annoyed with my suggestions.


    No, not at all.  The continued input and support you guys provide is very rewarding.


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