Elche (+18) vs Gamerman01 (x) BM4 rematch


  • I do not know any German. You can take it as a class in college, but few do. Because of WWI, the German language was severely discouraged. Many spoke German in church services but that was banned. I don’t think the German language ever recovered in USA, and most other European languages as well. Immigrants in the late 1800s and early 1900s wanted to assimilate and become Americans, and learned English while discarding their language and even their heritage.


  • I don’t know why I didn’t get alerted that you posted 12 hours ago… Was on a different computer, but still…

    Well, now I see it


  • It appears neither the Germans nor the Russians want to fight any more. Eventually they accidentally got some hits :D


  • Casualty choice for Cha please

    J4 combat.tsvg


  • max. defense please


  • Thank you for the quick reply, that’s nice


  • Oh, they came from Anhwe, so I won’t be retreating - you made a good choice


  • I made a movement edit from Celebes to Kwa.
    I guess the transport “participated” in combat so I couldn’t move it in non-com. I could have loaded the 2 infantry from Celebes and transported them to Kwa, which was my plan all along, but I was supposed to do that in the combat movement phase.

    I assume you allow, but you have the right to disallow. My transport and the 2 infantry would be stuck at the Celebes.

    I will point out that I remembered my NSW sub and moved it to Z52 because that would be easy to overlook, unless you go through move by move, which I do.

    Here’s J4!

    J4.tsvg


  • No problem with your edit. But looks not nice how strong the Japenese are. Hope I can defend India.

    Game History

    Round: 4
    
        Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 1 artillery, 2 carriers, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - Americans
            1 infantry moved from Morocco to 91 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 91 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 93 Sea Zone to Southern France
            1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Queensland to 54 Sea Zone
            1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 54 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 43 Sea Zone to Borneo
    
        Combat - Americans
            Battle in Southern France
            Battle in Borneo
    
        Non Combat Move - Americans
            1 armour moved from Tunisia to Tobruk
            1 infantry moved from Algeria to Morocco
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Central United States to 101 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Eastern United States to 101 Sea Zone
            2 infantry, 2 mech_infantrys and 2 transports moved from 101 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Morocco
            2 mech_infantrys moved from 91 Sea Zone to Morocco
            1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 101 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Eastern United States to 91 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer, 1 mech_infantry, 2 submarines and 1 transport moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
            1 destroyer moved from 25 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Western United States to Hawaiian Islands
    
        Place Units - Americans
            1 transport placed in 101 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer placed in 101 Sea Zone
            2 carriers placed in 10 Sea Zone
            1 fighter placed in Western United States
            1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 infantry placed in Eastern United States
    
        Turn Complete - Americans
            Americans collect 53 PUs; end with 54 PUs
            Trigger Americans 7 North Africa Beach Head: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 59 PUs
            Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 69 PUs
            Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 74 PUs
            Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 79 PUs
    
        Purchase Units - Chinese
            Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
            Chinese buy 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - Chinese
            Trigger Chinese Guerilla Anhwe: Chinese has 1 infantry placed in Anhwe
            Trigger Chinese Guerilla Hunan: Chinese has 1 infantry placed in Hunan
            4 infantry moved from Hopei to Chahar
    
        Combat - Chinese
            Chinese creates battle in territory Hunan
            Chinese creates battle in territory Anhwe
            Battle in Chahar
                Chinese attack with 4 infantry
                Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                    Chinese roll dice for 4 infantry in Chahar, round 2 : 0/4 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Chahar, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                    Chinese roll dice for 4 infantry in Chahar, round 3 : 2/4 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Chahar, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Chahar
                Chinese win, taking Hunan from Japanese, taking Anhwe from Japanese, taking Chahar from Japanese with 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
    
        Non Combat Move - Chinese
            1 infantry moved from Hopei to Kweichow
            1 infantry moved from Hopei to Anhwe
    
        Place Units - Chinese
            1 infantry placed in Szechwan
            1 infantry placed in Shensi
            1 infantry placed in Hopei
    
        Turn Complete - Chinese
            Chinese collect 11 PUs; end with 13 PUs
    
        Purchase Units - British
            British buy 1 armour, 1 destroyer, 4 infantry and 2 submarines; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
    
        Purchase Units - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific buy 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - British
            1 submarine moved from 93 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 96 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
    
        Combat - British
            Battle in 97 Sea Zone
                British attack with 1 submarine
                Italians defend with 1 transport
                    1 transport owned by the Italians lost in 97 Sea Zone
                British win, taking 97 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for Italians: 1 transport
    
        Non Combat Move - British
            2 infantry moved from Iraq to 80 Sea Zone
            1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 2 infantry, 1 submarine, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport moved from 80 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 39 Sea Zone to India
            1 artillery moved from Burma to India
            1 mech_infantry moved from Ethiopia to Egypt
            1 armour moved from Egypt to Iraq
            1 infantry moved from Iraq to Northwest Persia
            1 infantry moved from Turkmenistan to Kazakhstan
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Persia to Eastern Persia
            2 artilleries moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan
            2 infantry moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan
            1 transport moved from 91 Sea Zone to 88 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from British Guiana to 88 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 88 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Morocco
            1 mech_infantry moved from Eire to 109 Sea Zone
            2 cruisers, 1 mech_infantry, 1 submarine and 1 transport moved from 109 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Morocco
            1 aaGun, 1 fighter and 1 infantry moved from Scotland to United Kingdom
    
        Place Units - British
            1 submarine placed in 81 Sea Zone
            1 submarine placed in 71 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer placed in 106 Sea Zone
            1 armour and 2 infantry placed in Persia
            2 infantry placed in Egypt
            British undo move 5.
            British undo move 2.
            1 submarine placed in 81 Sea Zone
            1 infantry placed in Egypt
            1 infantry placed in United Kingdom
    
        Turn Complete - British
            British collect 36 PUs; end with 36 PUs
            Trigger British 3 No Enemy Submarines: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 39 PUs
    
        Place Units - UK_Pacific
            3 infantry placed in India
    
        Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific collect 10 PUs; end with 10 PUs
            Trigger UK Pacific 4 No Enemy Submarines: UK_Pacific met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 13 PUs
            Some Units in India change ownership: 3 infantry
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

    Chinese regular : 0,67
    Japanese regular : 0,33
    

    uk4 (3).tsvg


  • Oops, forgot the China rule
    And I’m not even really dominating India even though I’m skipping China. I really don’t know how to drive the Japan car :D



  • Did you break the rule ? Monglians didnt change.
    Game History

    Round: 4
    
        Purchase Units - ANZAC
            ANZAC buy 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - ANZAC
            2 infantry moved from Queensland to 54 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 54 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 44 Sea Zone to Celebes
            1 infantry moved from Kenya to Italian Somaliland
                  ANZAC take Italian Somaliland from Italians
    
        Combat - ANZAC
            Battle in Celebes
    
        Non Combat Move - ANZAC
            1 submarine moved from 54 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Iraq
    
        Place Units - ANZAC
            1 transport placed in 54 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry placed in Queensland
    
        Turn Complete - ANZAC
            ANZAC collect 13 PUs; end with 13 PUs
            Objective ANZAC 3 Pacific Supply Lines: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 16 PUs
    
        Combat Move - French
    
        Non Combat Move - French
            1 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Iraq
            1 infantry moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Egypt
            3 infantry moved from Libya to Tobruk
    
        Turn Complete - French
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

    f4 (2).tsvg


  • No, you broke it on R3, so I can do whatever I want. Last sentence on 2nd ed. Europe manual on page 39 says if USSR attacks Korea or any Japan controlled territory bordering Mongolia, Mongolia will remain neutral and not ally with the USSR.



  • You are right with Korea, just forget this. Thanks for the infos but I know this rule. At the moment I have only 1 question about the rules. If Japan and USA not at war, j fleet can move up to 2 sz distance from us-mainland and cannot move into sz with us ships and us ships cannot move in Kamikaze sz and didnt have to hold 2 sz distance from J mainland ? Sorry are 2 questions.


  • Game History

    Round: 5
    
        Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians buy 2 armour, 3 artilleries and 6 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - Russians
            1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Karelia to Novgorod
            2 infantry moved from Tambov to Bryansk
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Russia to Bryansk
            1 infantry moved from Archangel to Belarus
            1 fighter moved from Russia to Belarus
    
        Combat - Russians
            Battle in Novgorod
                Russians attack with 1 artillery and 2 infantry
                Germans defend with 1 airfield, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 mech_infantry
                    Russians roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Novgorod, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 0,83 expected hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 mech_infantry in Novgorod, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 mech_infantry owned by the Germans lost in Novgorod
                Russians win, taking Novgorod from Germans with 1 artillery and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Germans: 1 mech_infantry
            Battle in Bryansk
                Russians attack with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Germans defend with 1 infantry
                    Russians roll dice for 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Bryansk, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1,50 expected hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Bryansk, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Bryansk
                Russians win, taking Bryansk from Germans with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
            Battle in Belarus
                Russians attack with 1 fighter and 1 infantry
                Germans defend with 1 infantry
                    Russians roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Belarus, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Belarus, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Belarus
                Russians win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
    
        Non Combat Move - Russians
            1 fighter moved from Belarus to Russia
            1 fighter moved from Bryansk to Russia
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Bryansk to Russia
            1 infantry moved from Volgograd to Caucasus
            1 aaGun, 8 artilleries and 10 infantry moved from Tambov to Russia
            1 artillery moved from Russia to Vologda
            2 infantry moved from Novosibirsk to Vologda
            4 infantry moved from Novosibirsk to Samara
            3 infantry moved from Timguska to Novosibirsk
            2 infantry moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Buryatia
            1 aaGun and 3 infantry moved from Sakha to Buryatia
            1 aaGun moved from Karelia to Novgorod
            1 artillery moved from Russia to Samara
            1 artillery moved from Russia to Samara
            1 infantry moved from Tambov to Volgograd
            2 infantry moved from Tambov to Samara
    
        Place Units - Russians
            1 infantry placed in Volgograd
            2 armour, 3 artilleries and 5 infantry placed in Russia
    
        Turn Complete - Russians
            Russians collect 27 PUs; end with 27 PUs
            Trigger Russians 2 Persia Lend Lease Lane: Russians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 29 PUs
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

    Germans regular : 1,00
    Russians regular : 2,00
    

    r5 (2).tsvg


  • Sometimes I break China rule when attach rus inf in Kansu or take Novosibirsk without fight. I wont but I forget.
    You like the Grauen Wölfe.
    Please tell me after the game what you had done against your own sub tactic.


  • Sorry not Novosibirsk, I mean Timguska.

  • 2024 2023 '22 '15 '11 '10 Official Q&A Moderator

    When Japan and USA are not at war with one another,

    USA can’t leave any ship in a sea zone that borders a Japanese controlled territory, which includes islands. It doesn’t matter which zones are kamikaze zones.

    For example, the sub and destroyer that start at the Philippines can’t go to Paulau, Carolines, Marianas, Marshalls, zone 37 (Siam), Iwo Jima, or any of the sea zones that border China because they are Japanese controlled.

    Japan can’t leave sea units in any zone that is within 2 zones of Alaska or WUS, so has to be 3 zones away.

    The restrictions in bold above are the only restrictions. Each power has 1 restriction.

    In either case, there is NO restriction from leaving sea units in a zone that the future enemy occupies. So for example, Japan could move ships to Hawaii no matter what US ships are there. It’s more than 2 zones away from WUS so it’s legal. If Japan were to send ships to Guam while not declaring war, the US could still move a ship from the Philippines to Guam even though the Japanese ship is there, because the only restriction is that it not be adjacent to a Japanese controlled territory.


  • Yes, the Kansu and Timguska situation being next to Mongolia is strange.

    The German subs? Sure, ask me later

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