Elche (+18) vs Gamerman01 (x) BM4 rematch


  • Here’s my unorthodox J1 - enjoy

    J1.tsvg


  • Normally I do full scramble except there is only an attack to one sz. If I had 20 bid I would buy 1 fig in Scotland, 1 art in Alex and 1 sub in sz98 or maybe better in sz 111.
    But I dont have a sub in sz109 in our game.
    I dont like the move from battleship to 110 because protect fig.
    And I dont like the brit. attack to sz97. I never do.
    What do you mean with unorthodox with J1 ? Your buy or Carolines ? I see exatly same buy with J1 in my running game (now R3). Maybe helps me.
    I think Marti is Japanese :blush:


  • Game History

    Round: 1
    
        Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 2 carriers, 1 destroyer and 2 submarines; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - Americans
    
        Non Combat Move - Americans
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 1 infantry, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
            1 transport moved from 26 Sea Zone to 10 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 35 Sea Zone to 38 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Philippines to Guam
            1 fighter moved from Western United States to Hawaiian Islands
            1 bomber moved from Central United States to Hawaiian Islands
    
        Place Units - Americans
            2 carriers and 1 submarine placed in 10 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer and 1 submarine placed in 101 Sea Zone
    
        Turn Complete - Americans
            Americans collect 52 PUs; end with 52 PUs
    
        Purchase Units - Chinese
            Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
            Chinese buy 4 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - Chinese
            5 infantry moved from Szechwan to Yunnan
            1 fighter moved from Szechwan to Yunnan
    
        Combat - Chinese
            Battle in Yunnan
                Chinese attack with 1 fighter and 5 infantry
                Japanese defend with 1 artillery and 2 infantry
                    Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 5 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 0/6 hits, 1,33 expected hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 3/3 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                    3 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Yunnan
                1 fighter owned by the Chinese retreated
                2 infantry owned by the Chinese retreated to Szechwan
                Japanese win with 1 artillery and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -9
                Casualties for Chinese: 3 infantry
    
        Non Combat Move - Chinese
            2 infantry moved from Kweichow to Shensi
            1 fighter moved from Yunnan to Burma
    
        Place Units - Chinese
            2 infantry placed in Suiyuyan
            2 infantry placed in Shensi
    
        Turn Complete - Chinese
            Chinese collect 8 PUs; end with 8 PUs
    
        Purchase Units - British
            British buy 1 airfield, 1 fighter and 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
    
        Purchase Units - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific buy 2 artilleries and 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - British
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 98 Sea Zone to Tobruk
            1 fighter moved from Malta to Tobruk
            1 armour, 2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Alexandria to Tobruk
            1 mech_infantry moved from Egypt to Tobruk
            1 submarine moved from 98 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to 96 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to 96 Sea Zone
    
        Combat - British
            Battle in Tobruk
                British attack with 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 fighter, 2 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Italians defend with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
                    British roll dice for 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 fighter, 2 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Tobruk, round 2 : 2/8 hits, 3,17 expected hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Tobruk, round 2 : 1/6 hits, 2,17 expected hits
                    2 infantry owned by the Italians and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Tobruk
                    British roll dice for 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 fighter, 1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Tobruk, round 3 : 4/7 hits, 3,00 expected hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Tobruk, round 3 : 2/4 hits, 1,50 expected hits
                    1 mech_infantry owned by the Italians, 1 artillery owned by the Italians, 1 artillery owned by the British, 1 infantry owned by the Italians, 1 infantry owned by the British and 1 armour owned by the Italians lost in Tobruk
                British win, taking Tobruk from Italians with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 13
                Casualties for British: 1 artillery and 2 infantry
                Casualties for Italians: 1 armour, 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
            Battle in 96 Sea Zone
                British attack with 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 submarine
                Italians defend with 1 destroyer and 1 transport
                    British roll dice for 1 submarine in 96 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                    British roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 fighter in 96 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 1,17 expected hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 destroyer and 1 transport in 96 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                    1 destroyer owned by the Italians and 1 transport owned by the Italians lost in 96 Sea Zone
                British win with 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 15
                Casualties for Italians: 1 destroyer and 1 transport
    
        Non Combat Move - British
            1 cruiser moved from 98 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from Scotland to 109 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Scotland to United Kingdom
            1 fighter moved from Scotland to Gibraltar
            1 aaGun, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 109 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
            1 armour and 1 infantry moved from Quebec to 106 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Ontario to Quebec
            1 armour, 2 destroyers, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 106 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
            1 armour moved from 91 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
            1 artillery moved from Egypt to 98 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 transport moved from 98 Sea Zone to 80 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from 80 Sea Zone to Persia
                  British take Persia from Neutral_Allies
            1 infantry moved from West India to Eastern Persia
                  British take Eastern Persia from Neutral_Allies
            1 fighter moved from Tobruk to Egypt
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Tobruk to Egypt
            1 carrier moved from 98 Sea Zone to 80 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Union of South Africa to Rhodesia
            1 destroyer moved from 71 Sea Zone to 80 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Egypt
            1 fighter moved from 96 Sea Zone to Malta
            1 bomber moved from 96 Sea Zone to Malta
            3 infantry moved from Malaya to Shan State
            2 infantry moved from India to 39 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 39 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 41 Sea Zone to Sumatra
                  UK_Pacific take Sumatra from Dutch
            1 battleship moved from 37 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 39 Sea Zone to 80 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 39 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Burma to India
            2 infantry moved from Burma to Shan State
            3 aaGuns, 1 artillery, 4 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber moved from India to Burma
    
        Place Units - British
            1 airfield placed in Gibraltar
            1 fighter and 1 infantry placed in United Kingdom
    
        Turn Complete - British
            British collect 30 PUs; end with 30 PUs
            Trigger British 3 No Enemy Submarines: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 33 PUs
            Objective British 4 Control Convoy Lanes: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 36 PUs
            Objective British 1 Original: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 39 PUs
    
        Place Units - UK_Pacific
            2 artilleries and 3 infantry placed in India
    
        Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific collect 21 PUs; end with 21 PUs
            Some Units in India change ownership: 2 artilleries and 3 infantry
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

    Chinese regular : -1,33
    Italians regular : -1,00
    Japanese regular : 2,00
    British regular : 0,33
    

    uk1 (1).tsvg


  • @elche Mainly my distribution of planes and boats. I went with what felt right at the time. Pretty sure good axis players don’t do what I just did :)


  • Shoot, Yunnan went terrible for you 2 times in a row. That’s hard to come back from


  • very fast new ranking. Thanks.
    In Germany we say by football ranking: The Ranking dont lies.


  • New aspect about Marti. I am lucky in games I win next rounds against L1 and L2 gamers but against E/M I have all the time bad dice. So maybe average at all but doesnt helps for winning a game.:blush:


  • @elche From what I’ve seen in our games so far, I agree that you are right about this. Can’t stay that way forever, though! (Well, it is possible buy highly unlikely) :D
    Nasty Italian move coming your way ;)


  • I put WAY too much thought into this move, but I’m very uncomfortable with the Axis.


  • This is a good example of where the requirement to roll amphibious assaults before other battles can matter.


  • WAY too much thought

    I1.tsvg


  • You are right with Vichy. I only can conquer H/B without getting income. French Navy dont fight. But 3 units in N/B will have 3 hits against Germany ?
    Today I started new game with Axis and of course I play non-Vichy game. Thank you for the tip.

    Game History

    Round: 1
    
        Purchase Units - ANZAC
            ANZAC buy 1 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - ANZAC
    
        Non Combat Move - ANZAC
            2 infantry moved from New South Wales to 62 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 62 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java
                  ANZAC take Java from Dutch
            2 aaGuns moved from New South Wales to Queensland
            1 cruiser moved from 63 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 62 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from New Zealand to Queensland
            1 fighter moved from Queensland to Shan State
            1 infantry moved from Malaya to Shan State
    
        Place Units - ANZAC
            1 transport placed in 62 Sea Zone
            1 infantry placed in New South Wales
    
        Turn Complete - ANZAC
            ANZAC collect 14 PUs; end with 14 PUs
    
        Combat Move - French
            Trigger French Liberate Southern France2 activates a trigger called: Trigger French Liberate Southern France3
            1 infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Holland Belgium
                  French take Holland Belgium from Germans
    
        Combat - French
    
        Non Combat Move - French
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Southern France to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 infantry moved from Tunisia to Algeria
            1 infantry moved from Morocco to Algeria
            1 infantry moved from French West Africa to Nigeria
            1 destroyer moved from 72 Sea Zone to 58 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Syria to Trans-Jordan
    
        Turn Complete - French
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

    f1 (1).tsvg


  • And thank you for the positive feedback! Good luck with your non-Vichy game!


  • Thank you.
    Again 2 rule questions.
    #1 in my running game was a seebattle sz39 with scramble but not amphibious and it wasnt possible for me to retreat. Why ?
    #2 can chinese inf or fig attack Burma ?



  • Oh, I just saw your questions.

    #1 Sounds like a TripleA bug, but could you give me the link to the game or a save file?

    #2 Yes, Chinese can occupy or attack Burma or Hong Kong as if it was their own, just can’t control them unless capturing them from the Axis while India is under Axis control


  • Thanks. I will look for the file.
    Game History

    Round: 2
    
        Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians buy 3 artilleries, 7 infantry and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - Russians
            2 infantry moved from Novgorod to Karelia
            2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Novgorod to Karelia
    
        Combat - Russians
            Battle in Karelia
                Russians attack with 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Germans defend with 1 infantry
                    Russians roll dice for 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Karelia, round 2 : 2/5 hits, 2,00 expected hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Karelia, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Karelia
                Russians win, taking Karelia from Germans with 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
    
        Non Combat Move - Russians
            1 aaGun, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 11 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Belarus to Bryansk
            1 artillery and 4 infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk
            2 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from Ukraine to Bryansk
            1 artillery moved from Western Ukraine to Bryansk
            2 infantry moved from Western Ukraine to Bryansk
            1 infantry moved from Western Ukraine to Bryansk
            2 infantry moved from Rostov to Ukraine
            1 infantry moved from Novgorod to Belarus
            1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Smolensk
            2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Karelia to Bryansk
            1 infantry moved from Novgorod to Archangel
            6 infantry moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Yenisey
            1 infantry moved from Buryatia to Amur
            1 aaGun and 8 infantry moved from Buryatia to Yakut S.S.R.
    
        Place Units - Russians
            1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Ukraine
            1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Novgorod
            1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Russia
    
        Turn Complete - Russians
            Russians collect 36 PUs; end with 36 PUs
            Trigger Russians 7 Great Patriotic War: Russians met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 39 PUs
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

    Germans regular : 0,67
    Russians regular : 0,00
    

    r2 (1).tsvg


  • Here is the file from battle I couldnt retreat at any moment.
    oool2-20-bm4-16.tsvg


  • I ran it in local and I also see that it doesn’t give retreat option.

    There is no reason you could not retreat, must be a Triple A mistake.


  • Did it cause a problem with your opponent? Did it roll dice after the defender when you would have retreated? I couldn’t find which game this was from. I can help if there is any problem.

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