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[Game 2] DoManMacgee (Central Powers) v TGC (Entente) 1914, no bid with Russian Revolution
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Game History
Round: 4 Puchase Units - British Condition TankProductionBritish: British has their production frontier changed to: lateWarProduction British buy 3 artilleries, 1 fighter, 4 infantry and 2 tanks; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - British 1 infantry moved from Angola to Belgian Congo 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Kamerun to Belgian Congo 2 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan 1 artillery moved from Albania to SZ 17 1 artillery and 1 transport moved from SZ 17 to SZ 28 1 infantry moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to SZ 28 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from SZ 28 to Arabia British take Arabia from Neutral_Allied 1 infantry moved from Mesopotamia to Syrian Desert British take Syrian Desert from Ottomans 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 5 infantry moved from Persia to Mesopotamia 2 fighters moved from India to Mesopotamia 2 artilleries and 5 infantry moved from India to Persia 1 infantry moved from South West Africa to SZ 24 1 battleship, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from SZ 24 to SZ 26 1 infantry moved from SZ 26 to British East Africa 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Brest to Paris 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Wales to SZ 8 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 2 transports moved from SZ 8 to SZ 15 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from SZ 15 to Brest Combat - British Battle in Trans-Jordan British attack with 2 artilleries and 3 infantry Ottomans defend with 1 artillery and 2 infantry British roll dice for 2 artilleries and 3 infantry in Trans-Jordan, round 2 : 0/5 hits, 2.33 expected hits Ottomans roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Trans-Jordan, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.50 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the British lost in Trans-Jordan Ottomans and British reach a stalemate . Battle score for attacker is -6 Casualties for British: 2 infantry Battle in Belgian Congo British attack with 1 artillery and 3 infantry Germans defend with 1 infantry British roll dice for 1 artillery and 3 infantry in Belgian Congo, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1.67 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Belgian Congo, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Belgian Congo British win with 1 artillery and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for British: 1 infantry Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Combat Move - British Place Units - British 3 artilleries, 1 fighter, 4 infantry and 2 tanks placed in India Turn Complete - British British collect 44 PUs; end with 44 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Germans regular : 0.50 Ottomans regular : 0.50 British regular : -2.00 -
@the_good_captain Game History
Round: 4 Puchase Units - Ottomans Condition TankProductionOttomans: Ottomans has their production frontier changed to: lateWarProduction Ottomans buy 6 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Ottomans 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Ankara to Syrian Desert 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Smyrna 1 artillery and 6 infantry moved from Constantinople to Ankara 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Serbia to Albania 3 artilleries and 11 infantry moved from Romania to Sevastopol 1 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Romania 2 fighters and 1 infantry moved from Ankara to Constantinople Combat - Ottomans Ottomans creates battle in territory Trans-Jordan Battle in Syrian Desert Ottomans attack with 1 artillery and 2 infantry British defend with 1 infantry Ottomans roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Syrian Desert, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits British roll dice for 1 infantry in Syrian Desert, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits British and Ottomans reach a stalemate Battle in Trans-Jordan Ottomans attack with 1 infantry British defend with 2 artilleries and 1 infantry Ottomans roll dice for 1 infantry in Trans-Jordan, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits British roll dice for 2 artilleries and 1 infantry in Trans-Jordan, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.50 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Ottomans lost in Trans-Jordan British win with 2 artilleries and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -3 Casualties for Ottomans: 1 infantry Battle in Albania Ottomans attack with 1 artillery and 2 infantry British defend with 1 infantry Ottomans roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Albania, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 infantry in Albania, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Albania Ottomans win, taking Albania from Italians with 1 artillery and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for British: 1 infantry Combat Move - Ottomans Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Adding units owned by Ottomans to Trans-Jordan: 1 infantry EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Place Units - Ottomans 6 infantry placed in Constantinople Turn Complete - Ottomans Ottomans collect 18 PUs; end with 18 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Italians regular : -0.50 Ottomans regular : -1.00 British regular : 0.00I moved all but one INF out of TJ but forgot to edit it out/edit it back in so I just put it back during NCM (it didn’t score a hit on any of your guys anyway).
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Game History
Round: 4 Puchase Units - Italians Condition TankProductionItalians: Italians has their production frontier changed to: lateWarProduction Italians buy 1 artillery and 4 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Italians 4 infantry moved from Rome to Tuscany 1 battleship and 1 cruiser moved from SZ 18 to SZ 17 Combat - Italians Battle in Tuscany Italians attack with 8 artilleries, 1 fighter and 15 infantry AustroHungarians defend with 5 artilleries and 6 infantry Italians roll dice for 8 artilleries, 1 fighter and 15 infantry in Tuscany, round 2 : 10/24 hits, 12.00 expected hits AustroHungarians roll dice for 5 artilleries and 6 infantry in Tuscany, round 2 : 7/11 hits, 5.50 expected hits 5 infantry owned by the AustroHungarians, 5 artilleries owned by the AustroHungarians and 7 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Tuscany AustroHungarians and Italians reach a stalemate . Battle score for attacker is 14 Casualties for Italians: 7 infantry Casualties for AustroHungarians: 5 artilleries and 5 infantry Combat Move - Italians Place Units - Italians 1 artillery and 4 infantry placed in Rome Turn Complete - Italians Italians collect 10 PUs; end with 10 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Italians regular : -2.00 AustroHungarians regular : 1.50 -
Game History
Round: 4 Puchase Units - Americans Condition TankProductionAmericans: Americans has their production frontier changed to: lateWarProduction Americans buy 1 fighter, 2 infantry, 1 tank and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Combat Move - Americans Trigger AmericansRemoveRestrictions: Setting movementRestrictionTerritories cleared for rulesAttachment attached to Americans Trigger AmericansJoinWar: Changing Relationship for AustroHungarians and Americans from Neutral to War Trigger AmericansJoinWar: Changing Relationship for Russians and Americans from Neutral to Allied Trigger AmericansJoinWar: Changing Relationship for Germans and Americans from Neutral to War Trigger AmericansJoinWar: Changing Relationship for French and Americans from Neutral to Allied Trigger AmericansJoinWar: Changing Relationship for British and Americans from Neutral to Allied Trigger AmericansJoinWar: Changing Relationship for Ottomans and Americans from Neutral to War Trigger AmericansJoinWar: Changing Relationship for Italians and Americans from Neutral to Allied 3 artilleries and 9 infantry moved from United States of America to SZ 1 3 artilleries, 9 infantry and 6 transports moved from SZ 1 to SZ 14 3 artilleries and 9 infantry moved from SZ 14 to Portugal Combat Move - Americans Place Units - Americans 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tank placed in United States of America 2 transports placed in SZ 1 Turn Complete - Americans Americans collect 20 PUs; end with 21 PUs -
@the_good_captain Game History
Round: 5 Puchase Units - AustroHungarians AustroHungarians buy 1 artillery and 8 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - AustroHungarians Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by AustroHungarians from Tuscany: 1 infantry EDIT: Adding units owned by Neutral_Central to Tuscany: 1 infantry EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 5 artilleries and 6 infantry moved from Poland to Livonia 2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Budapest to Galicia 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Trieste to Venice 2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Vienna to Tyrolia Combat - AustroHungarians AustroHungarians creates battle in territory SZ 18 Battle in Livonia Germans loiter and taunt; AustroHungarians attack with 5 artilleries and 6 infantry Russians defend with 1 infantry AustroHungarians roll dice for 5 artilleries and 6 infantry in Livonia, round 2 : 4/11 hits, 5.33 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Livonia, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Livonia AustroHungarians win, taking Livonia from Russians with 5 artilleries and 6 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Combat Move - AustroHungarians Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Neutral_Central from Tuscany: 1 infantry EDIT: Adding units owned by AustroHungarians to Tuscany: 1 infantry EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Place Units - AustroHungarians 1 artillery and 8 infantry placed in Vienna Turn Complete - AustroHungarians AustroHungarians collect 30 PUs; end with 30 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Russians regular : -0.50 AustroHungarians regular : -1.33 -
Game History
Round: 5 Puchase Units - Russians Russians buy 1 artillery and 6 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Russians 1 infantry moved from Ukraine to Poland Russians take Poland from Germans 13 artilleries and 21 infantry moved from Ukraine to Sevastopol 8 fighters moved from Moscow to Sevastopol 3 artilleries moved from Moscow to Belarus 2 artilleries moved from Moscow to Belarus 1 infantry moved from Moscow to Karelia 6 infantry moved from Moscow to Belarus Combat - Russians Battle in Belarus Russians attack with 5 artilleries and 6 infantry Germans defend with 1 artillery and 2 infantry Russians roll dice for 5 artilleries and 6 infantry in Belarus, round 2 : 4/11 hits, 5.33 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Belarus, round 2 : 3/3 hits, 1.50 expected hits 3 infantry owned by the Russians, 1 artillery owned by the Germans and 2 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Belarus Russians win, taking Belarus from Germans with 5 artilleries and 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1 Casualties for Russians: 3 infantry Casualties for Germans: 1 artillery and 2 infantry Battle in Sevastopol Russians attack with 13 artilleries, 8 fighters and 21 infantry Germans defend with 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 1 port; Ottomans defend with 3 artilleries and 11 infantry Russians roll dice for 13 artilleries, 8 fighters and 21 infantry in Sevastopol, round 2 : 20/42 hits, 20.50 expected hits Germans roll dice for 4 artilleries and 13 infantry in Sevastopol, round 2 : 4/17 hits, 8.50 expected hits 4 infantry owned by the Russians, 3 artilleries owned by the Ottomans, 1 artillery owned by the Germans, 11 infantry owned by the Ottomans and 2 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Sevastopol Russians win, taking Sevastopol from Germans with 13 artilleries, 8 fighters and 17 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 43 Casualties for Russians: 4 infantry Casualties for Germans: 1 artillery and 2 infantry Casualties for Ottomans: 3 artilleries and 11 infantry Combat Move - Russians Place Units - Russians 1 artillery and 6 infantry placed in Moscow Turn Complete - Russians Russians collect 23 PUs; end with 23 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Germans regular : -3.00 Russians regular : -1.83 -
@the_good_captain Alright. I’ll throw in the towel at this point. I was expecting a loss in Sevastopol but I was hoping the territory would hold (it wasn’t completely unrealistic since I brought exactly 20 units. Anything under the average would have been okay). That whole series of moves was just a desperate bid to beat the odds and take down Russia anyway.
My main plan of killing Italy failed. If I had to guess, it’s probably because I sent a rogue German stack into France proper instead of just trying to finish the job in Italy. I’m sure you can tell from the games you’ve played but getting troops around the board gets really hard when you’re playing OOB (in LHTR you can NCM troops two tiles as long as the tile you land in is friendly-controlled (so, to enter a contested tile or start a new battle, you have to begin the turn adjacent to the tile you wish to move into). The lack of Economic/Political Collapse also got me bad, since I forgot that Italy was just going to spawn a new army to reinforce Tuscany after I committed to fighting there. With that in mind, trying to kill Italy without literally sending like 80-85% of Austria and Germany’s stuff to the area is pointless. The whole “Kill Italy” strategy is also sort of moot when troop movement is slowed down, as realistically a theoretical takedown won’t happen until like round 6, at which point the Americans will already be there.
Also; good on you for noticing that I put a AH TT on the board on turn 1 and immediately murdering my navy once I moved guys into Trieste. That was partially responsible for me going belly-up in the game as fast as I did.
Yeah there were whacky dice in this round but I don’t think it was enough to greatly influence the outcome anywhere. Even if I got better luck in the AH2 dive on Romania, it probably would have just delayed my surrender from turn 5 to ~turn 8 or so (since your numbers in the Russia theater wouldn’t have snowballed out of control so quickly, meaning I could have allocated my Austrians a bit better). In the end though, the issue was the speed of my movement in Italy, not so much what was going on in the other parts of the board (Russia, Middle East, etc.).
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@domanmacgee Whoops, I guess I brought 17 to Sevastopol and not 20 like I thought. My main points still stand though.
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@domanmacgee I read your guys’ essays on KIF. I was surprised to see you go for it in this game bc your essays were on LHTR if I’m not mistaken?
I think I’m a bit more well versed with this Revolution rule and now I have a new CP opener. Were you game to switch sides and go again?
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@the_good_captain Yeah we can do that.
TBH I went for the KIF as a “let’s try it” sort of thing since that strategy was only built/tested on LHTR. I never bothered with it on OOB because I assumed the game would play out more-or-less exactly like ours did (I already gave my 3 paragraph rant on it above).
I probably won’t make R1 until the morning but get the game ready and I’ll get on it.
If you’re interested/don’t recall them, LHTR are here: https://axisandallies.fandom.com/wiki/Larry_Harris_1914_Tournament_Rules
It’s a pretty big deviation from OOB though (other than the two-move thing, it basically applies a limited version of RR to every country in the game) so it’s pretty far from the sorts of changes you usually advocate (i.e. adhering to the base rules of the game as much as possible).
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