Canned Strats

And with that, i am heading for bed.

Crazy Straw, when you are ready to accept the challenge, I will be here.

I am willing to put my game play to the test… to put my actual game to the test of my words.

Darn shame that you are not.  Might have been a damn fine match.

@tcnance:

i have to dissagree a bit with you there crazystraw…

Hey TC.

I bet we probably agree more than you think.  Remember, I said Switch shouldn’t have to drive across the country; I said instead he should be more respectful even to people he believes are inferior.

And you’ll note I’m not bragging about or even MENTIONING what my record is or isn’t.  It’s irrelevant.  The only mentions about a couple of things I have done came from other posters; I’m not a fan of dueling with credentials.  My point is that Switch says things about what can and can’t work on expert players, but whether I am any good or not (and let’s assume I’m no good :-D ), he has no idea whether those strats have actually worked against good guys, so he’s in no position to make such statements.  Simple fact.

That’s what makes him a loudmouth.  If he just said he disagreed, that would be different.  But he calls people idiots and talks about things he can’t possibly know.

If he ONLY said, “Take CSub with a grain of salt”, then guess what?  I’d AGREE with him.  I’d say that about all strategies, especially for a game that has only been out for a few years.  But he goes way beyond that.

Odd way for a moderator to run a board.  That’s a guaranteed way to keep talented people, such as people less talented than Switch thinks he is, out of the forum.

I am willing to consider negotiation on the rules…

As far as the “idiot” comment… that goes back to the C-Sub paper on a 3 TRN purchase for Germany in the Baltic on G1.  It just came up again on these boards, and Jen (and anyone else) I’ll let y’all decide if it is a good idea or not.  I stand by calling it an idiot move.

As far as respect for you CS…

1.  Respect is earned.  You posted a bunch of essays here a while back, the one I recall offhand was the “Do you know a Sucker?”  Yeah, real respectful there on your part.
2.  I stand by the “idiot” comment because the Baltic fleet + 3 TRN moved out of the Baltic on G2 is a dead fleet, and you have lost 24 IPC’s in the process.  Sure, it may have worked for you some time ago in a time limited game where slowing UK down by a turn would mean something, but in a regular game where that 1 turn means nothing if Germany gave up the initiative in central Europe, and lost their navy in doing so… yes, that is a move of an idiot in all but a turn/time limited game
3.  You are the one who chose to take a swipe at me when I said that C-Sub papers need to be taken with a grain of salt.  And I stand by when I said that against the best players out there, they are likely to fail.  And when you accuse me of speaking in ignorance, I now say the same about you… what do you know of the quality and skill of other players all over the world, except for that small fraction who attend a Con you have been at and played by Con rules?  The answer there is NOTHING.  You don;t even have an account at the online Diceys.  So YOU sir know not what you speak of when you dismiss those of us who, for whatever reason, play online as opposed to those who spend their funds going to game Cons.

Now…

You have been posting here in an online forum.  You have put forth your ideas, and indeed your skills, as being superior to those of us here.  And as a result you have been openly challenged by one of the players here in the forum that YOU sir chose to use to advertise your group and promote your essays.

Now, the ball is in your court.  You can choose to ignore or walk away from this challenge.  That is your choice.  And the players here will then decide, based on how you choose to back up your words, what faith, if any, they place in them.

I am willing to play you via this forum so that everyone can see it.

And while we are at it, let’s remind folks what brought us to this point shall we…

Quote from: CrazyStraw on August 13, 2006, 11:03:55 PM
Quote from: ncscswitch on August 11, 2006, 09:03:54 PM
Take Caspian Sub with a grain of salt.

They are good for moderate to advanced opponents, but against the most highly skilled opponents, those ideas and concepts often get blown to bits…

Heh  cheesy

Switch, I’d like to congratulatie you on having attained sufficient expertise to ascertain who is moderately skilled, advanced, and highly skilled without having played those folks.  That takes a real eye for talent, and it is impressive that you have mastered it.

Keep up the good work.

Peace

You sir have no knowledge of how your C-Sub essay strats have faired here or elsewhere.  Yet you chose to denigrate me, who HAS been here and has watched the games in progress, and seen what strats have worked, and what strats have failed.  You chose to speak first in ignorance because of your lack of knowledge.  I even made sure to point out that it was not a personal attack on my part, but a comment regarding those strategies.

But that was not enough for you.  You had to take it further, because you had an axe to grind with me over how I reviewed your 3 TRN strat.

And now… now we are here.

A challenge has been issued by someone you chose to attack and impugn.  The onus is yours.  Do you boast and bolt?  Or do you test your mettle to back up your false assumptions?

You sir have no knowledge of how your C-Sub essay strats have faired here or elsewhere.

Dude, it is because of retardation like that comment that I can not take you seriously.

I have very limited information on how well the C-Sub essays have done in this forum.

I have a surprisingly large amount of information about how they have faired “elsewhere”. It is YOU who doesn’t have that info.

And that, for the umpteenth time, is why I know your karate is a joke.  Your logic is spectacularly bad.

Ok, I’ve made my points.  I’m not trying to make your life hard.  Say what you want from here on out; I’m not going to try and show you up in front of your posse anymore.  My comments from this point forward will be nice and sweet if they are directed at you.

Peace

Then be on your way sir.

When you are willing to test your mettle come back.  Otherwise, be gone with you and your alleged superiority.  I claim the field until such time as you are willing to test yourself beyond the small group of people who attend Cons…

Hey Jennifer.

Thanks for the comments.

Yeah, infantry stacks get the job done in a lot of situations.  Eventually you can end up playing a game of chicken in Europe  :-D Â

Interesting idea on limiting infantry purchases.  Do you play like that all the time?

And I’m sure I’d learn something from Switch; most games have some cool facet.

My favorite thing I’ve seen recently was in a situation where my opponent abandoned Caucasus R1 (that is surprisingly common in some circles; primarily with high-level KJFers).  I thought it was kind of odd/bad that he moved the AA gun out of Caucasus so Germany could waltz right in there with 2inf 1ftr vs. 1inf.  But what did the weasel do?  He bombed Caucasus with the UK!  Then, of course, he owned Caucasus again for the rest of the game.

That was a new move to me and I thought it was kind of slick.  He killed 2inf of mine for 1inf of his, and he bombed the money right out of my hands that I had collected for the territory.  That’s some clever thinking.

BTW - I don’t know if you’re on CSub, but if you like that kind of thing check out the Axis Puzzles.  A couple of them are pretty slick too.

Peace

Switch!  I’m so glad you stuck around!  I thought you said you were logging off to watch some really important TV or something.

And that was a very nice font you chose for your last post.  It was quite compelling.

@Jennifer:

…but I hate the way your forums are set up.  Get something like this, wehre I can drill down by topic and see all replies simultaniously. :)

Heh  :-D

CSub is not a forum.Â

When we set it up we figured there were already enough arenas for slinging posts.  We opted to go for a magazine-type setup with more structure than the other sites.  We moderate the email pretty heavily and we don’t let quite a bit of it through.  Part of the idea was to create a high signal-to-noise ratio since there were already a lot of places that were more free-form.

We’d rather have a month with no messages than a month with 100 useless messages.

We don’t have the formula perfect by a long shot, but at least we have created something that is different than the A&A sites that are already out there.  AND THAT IS NOT TO SAY THAT THE OTHER SITES AREN’T GOOD!  The free flowing forums are a very good element in the A&A universe.  We just wanted to add a new kind of element.

Peace

Hey Tri.

I don’t remember the last time my German bomber was somewhere other than Anglo R1.  It’s a side effect of always going for the united navy; I’m almost always under-powered in Anglo.

But I thought about bombing CAU.  I wanted it.  Couldn’t have it.

Peace

@General_D.Fox:

Um, what does PA and PAfr mean?  I’m not too familiar with those terms. Obviously I must not play much if I don’t know what htey mean… :oops:

PE is Power Europe (Bid in Europe)
PA is Power Asia, most of the bid in Asia
PAfr is Power Africa, with most of the bid in Africa

These are holdover terms from Classic, as is the bid distribution where SOME portion o fthe bid had to be palced in Europe, just to keep Germany from being under seige T2.

@squirecam:

If you really think FTF con players are a small crappy minority of bad players, then you should have the guts to travel to one and wipe the field. I wasn’t going to get into this, but since you equate online folks as superior, let me remind you that FTF players don’t have hours to review a board, don’t have simulators they can run 1000 times to get results. They play on instinct and talent. But they play.

Now you are misunderstanding me Squire.

Perhaps I was unclear in my previous post, if so please allow me to clarify here.

The people who attend Cons are a small segment of overall gamers.  A lot of gamers never attend Cons (hell I was a hard core AD&D player for decades, but never attended a Con even then).  Another segment, and based on the numbers of folks registered at places like DAAK and Flames larger group, are the online gamers.

Now, on to the specifics of the comment in how it was intended (since I was less than clear).  Based on what has been posted, CS’s experience (and by his own statements the C-Sub essays) are the result of FTF play, in particular Con play.  CS is not a registered user at either DAAK or Flames (that I could find on the member lists anyway).  That means that his experience would appear to lack direct personal knowledge of online gaming, at least via those forums.  If he is using another, then my assumption is in error.

Online play opens you up to play ANYONE, anywhere, anytime.  It is not dependent on the time, ability, or money to travel to Cons.  It is not dependent on the attendance at a particular Con.  And, based on membership here, at Flames, DAAK, etc., there are a LOT more folks online than could ever attend or game at a Con.  You also get a more diverse group of gamers online than you would at a Con, again by definition since you are not limited to the folks who have the time, money or inclination to spend at a Con.

Are there advantages to each side in online play?  Yes.  You mentioned sims, and especially for newer players, sims are a great benefit.  Once you have been doing it for a while though you can run viable sims in your head, whether FTF or online.  As for studying a board… in general, I know 90% of my moves for the coming turn as soon as I see my opponents move.  The other 10% is contingent upon other moves and combats that will occur in the interim.

Are there advantages to FTF play?  Yes.  Poker faces, confidence, even an air of intimidation… all are virtually impossible online.

Are the two types of play different?  Yes, of course they are.  CS even agrees with that.  And he goes so far as to say that strats that work FTF may not work online (which again was part of my original point that started this whole fracas).

As for me attending a Con… it is not an issue of funds, but of TIME, and inclination.  Honestly, I do not care to spend 5 days traveling to, attending, and traveling from a bunch of tables set up in a convention hall in a far away town.  Just not my bag.  Am I as a result missing one aspect of play?  Yep.  But am I eliminating myself from ever playing those folks a game?  Nope, because there is another venue that does not require travel, or the dedication of 5 days of your life in one swell foop, in order to engage in that game.

I hope that clarified my thoughts, which were not intended as a slam on Con gamers.  Just a simple statement that Con gamers represent only a portion of all gamers, and a rather small one at that.  The largest slice of course are the non-Con, non-online gamers… the folks who get their game out of the closet from time to time to sit down with friends and play.

CS is not a registered user at either DAAK or Flames

<start pacifist=“” harp=“” music=“”>Hello Switch.

I would like to just mention that you already know I have a different screen name on CSub (themarvinmarian) since it was mentioned in one of our threads.  How would CrazyStraw not being registered in the other forums be signficant?  Has someone provided you a list of my screen names?

For all you know, I’M RICK JAMES @#%$*!

I’m sure that you just made a slight oversight and that you would NEVER talk about something when you had no knowledge about it.

Thanks for your time.  If you want, I can even show you how to edit your posts to remove those kinds of gaffes.

Peace</start>

@DarthMaximus:

I’d like to say, maybe tone it down a bit.  This just goes for everyone.   :-)

How did we end up at a point where a freaking Sith lord is the level-headed peace maker?

Solid post, Darth.

:-D