L21 playoff OOB jkeller(X) vs trulpen (L+43)

Like I said earlier, it doesn’t make that huge of a difference for you in practise.

If you look at the board you see that you can move the tr’s to z20 during CM. They do nothing this turn, but the next turn they’ll be able to load up to 9 land units and thus wreak havoc on Korea. Missing a few art there doesn’t matter with all that abundant air available.

I’ve considered it, but sorry, can’t do that really. There would have to be cancelled battles and stuff. Just too much that needs to be changed.

Anyway, the des primarily cancelled a direct attack on Korea. The issue that’s been most debated was whether units would be able to be picked up during NCM in z6.

Since there’s a good alternative to that, namely z20, I actually don’t think there’s much call to edit stuff. I’m confident you’ll take down Korea in two turns without much resistance.

Hope for a continuously good and fun game. No hard feelings.

I guess the main problem was the oversight of a built des preventing loading (have not played revised, but that version then has a different rule set regarding this). That was simple and direct and not opposed. All the other stuff is a different story.

@jkeller said in L21 playoff OOB jkeller(X) vs trulpen (L+43):

In axis and Allie’s a “movement” is from one territory or sea zone to another. There are no rules or even a definition of movement WITHIN a territory or sea zone. So by rule the transport is NOT moving in noncombat so this rule you quotes does not apply in this case

I thought a similar thing until asking Krieghund recently about an allied unit loading on another ally’s transport at the same time as a unit on the transport unloading on the other coast. To my surprise, he said the transport is moving within the zone so you can’t do that because the ally’s transport must only move on his turn. So there is such a thing as moving to a coast within a sea zone, but I never knew that before either. Agree it’s not spelled out in the rules. So no shame there. :wink:

But in your case, if you just think of units moving in the combat movement phase or conducting combat in the combat phase, they are done unless they’re aircraft. I don’t think it says exactly that in one place, but it’s true when you put all the rules together. I hope that helps.

Yeah :facepunch: at least they’re not taken first as casualties to protect the warships any more. And I remember them shooting down aircraft like AA with their 1 defense.

R7 L21 SF jkeller vs trulpen (+43) OOB.tsvg

Game History

Round: 7

   Purchase Units - Russians

       Russians buy 1 artillery and 7 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 



   Combat Move - Russians

       1 armour moved from Libya to Tunisia

             Russians take Tunisia from Italians

       1 fighter moved from Russia to Vologda

       3 infantry moved from Russia to Vologda

       3 artilleries and 10 infantry moved from Russia to Samara



   Combat - Russians

       Battle in Samara

           Russians attack with 3 artilleries and 10 infantry

           Germans defend with 2 infantry

               Russians roll dice for 3 artilleries and 10 infantry in Samara, round 2 : 3/13 hits, 3,17 expected hits

               Germans roll dice for 2 infantry in Samara, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits

               2 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Samara

           Russians win, taking Samara from Germans with 3 artilleries and 10 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6

           Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry

       Battle in Vologda

           Russians attack with 1 fighter and 3 infantry

           Germans defend with 2 infantry

               Russians roll dice for 1 fighter and 3 infantry in Vologda, round 2 : 0/4 hits, 1,00 expected hits

               Germans roll dice for 2 infantry in Vologda, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits

               1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Vologda

               Russians roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Vologda, round 3 : 0/3 hits, 0,83 expected hits

               Germans roll dice for 2 infantry in Vologda, round 3 : 1/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits

               1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Vologda

           1 fighter owned by the Russians retreated

           1 infantry owned by the Russians retreated to Russia

           Germans win with 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -6

           Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry



   Non Combat Move - Russians

       1 fighter moved from Vologda to Russia

       1 aaGun moved from Russia to Samara

       1 mech_infantry moved from Egypt to Iraq

       6 infantry moved from Russia to Samara

       1 submarine moved from 98 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone



   Place Units - Russians

       1 artillery and 7 infantry placed in Russia



   Turn Complete - Russians

       Russians collect 13 PUs; end with 13 PUs

       Objective Russians 2 Spread Of Communism: Russians met a national objective for an additional 9 PUs; end with 22 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans regular : 0,00

Russians regular : -2,00

No save file?

Was supposed to use the sb on NWP instead of one of the figs. Hope that’s ok.

L21 SF jkeller vs trulpen (+43) OOB.tsvg

Game History

Round: 7

   Purchase Units - Americans

       Americans buy 2 carriers, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 2 infantry, 1 submarine and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 



   Combat Move - Americans

       1 infantry moved from Korea to Manchuria

       2 fighters moved from Korea to Manchuria



   Combat - Americans

       Battle in Manchuria

           Americans attack with 2 fighters and 1 infantry

           Japanese defend with 1 mech_infantry

               Americans roll dice for 2 fighters and 1 infantry in Manchuria, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1,17 expected hits

               Japanese roll dice for 1 mech_infantry in Manchuria, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits

               1 mech_infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Manchuria

           Americans win with 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1

           Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry

           Casualties for Japanese: 1 mech_infantry



   Non Combat Move - Americans

       2 fighters moved from Manchuria to Amur

       1 infantry moved from Korea to Amur

       6 fighters moved from Korea to 33 Sea Zone

       1 battleship, 7 carriers, 2 cruisers, 8 destroyers, 3 fighters, 9 submarines and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 26 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone

       1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone

       1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 26 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone

       2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 26 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone

       1 bomber moved from India to Trans-Jordan

       1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 5 submarines moved from 101 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone

       1 submarine moved from 88 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone

       1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Eastern United States to 91 Sea Zone

       2 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Central United States to 101 Sea Zone

       1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 101 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone

       1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Morocco

       1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 101 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone

       1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 54 Sea Zone to Queensland

       1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Morocco



   Place Units - Americans

       1 carrier and 2 transports placed in 101 Sea Zone

       1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine placed in 10 Sea Zone

       1 fighter placed in Western United States

       2 infantry placed in Central United States



   Turn Complete - Americans

       Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 3

           Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 6 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1,1,4,3,4,6,1,2,3,6,3,4,3,2,4,4,3,5,5,4,3,6,4,1,4,2,4,1,2,2,5,2

       Americans collect 56 PUs (3 lost to blockades); end with 57 PUs

       Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 67 PUs

       Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 72 PUs

       Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 77 PUs



   Purchase Units - Chinese

       Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed

       Chinese buy nothing; Remaining resources: 5 PUs; 



   Combat Move - Chinese



   Turn Complete - Chinese

       Chinese collect 0 PUs; end with 5 PUs



   Purchase Units - British

       British buy 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 4 infantry and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 



   Purchase Units - UK_Pacific

       UK_Pacific buy 1 artillery and 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 



   Combat Move - British

       2 infantry moved from Persia to Northwest Persia

       2 fighters moved from Persia to Northwest Persia

       1 infantry moved from Burma to Shan State

             UK_Pacific take Shan State from Japanese

       1 infantry moved from Burma to Yunnan

             Chinese take Yunnan from Japanese

       1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Trans-Jordan to 93 Sea Zone

       2 submarines moved from 98 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone

       3 transports moved from 98 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone

       3 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from Libya to 96 Sea Zone

       3 artilleries, 3 infantry and 3 transports moved from 96 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone

       3 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from 92 Sea Zone to Algeria

       1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Morocco to Algeria

       1 battleship moved from 98 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone

       1 armour and 3 mech_infantrys moved from Libya to Algeria



   Combat - British

       Battle in 93 Sea Zone

           British attack with 1 fighter, 2 submarines and 1 tactical_bomber

           Italians defend with 2 destroyers

               British roll dice for 2 submarines in 93 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits

               Italians roll dice for 2 destroyers in 93 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits

               2 destroyers owned by the Italians lost in 93 Sea Zone

           British win, taking 93 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 fighter, 2 submarines and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 16

           Casualties for Italians: 2 destroyers

       Battle in Algeria

           British attack with 2 armour, 4 artilleries, 4 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys

           Italians defend with 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 4 infantry and 1 mech_infantry

               British roll dice for 1 battleship in Algeria, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,67 expected hits

               British roll dice for 2 armour, 4 artilleries, 4 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys in Algeria, round 2 : 7/13 hits, 4,17 expected hits

               Italians roll dice for 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 4 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Algeria, round 2 : 3/8 hits, 2,83 expected hits

               1 mech_infantry owned by the Italians, 2 artilleries owned by the Italians, 4 infantry owned by the Italians and 3 infantry owned by the British lost in Algeria

               British roll dice for 2 armour, 4 artilleries, 1 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys in Algeria, round 3 : 2/10 hits, 3,67 expected hits

               Italians roll dice for 1 armour in Algeria, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0,50 expected hits

               1 infantry owned by the British and 1 armour owned by the Italians lost in Algeria

           British win, taking Algeria from Italians with 2 armour, 4 artilleries and 3 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 18

           Casualties for British: 4 infantry

           Casualties for Italians: 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 4 infantry and 1 mech_infantry

       Battle in Northwest Persia

           British attack with 2 fighters and 2 infantry

           Italians defend with 1 mech_infantry

               British roll dice for 2 fighters and 2 infantry in Northwest Persia, round 2 : 3/4 hits, 1,33 expected hits

               Italians roll dice for 1 mech_infantry in Northwest Persia, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits

               1 mech_infantry owned by the Italians lost in Northwest Persia

           British win, taking Northwest Persia from Italians with 2 fighters and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4

           Casualties for Italians: 1 mech_infantry



   Non Combat Move - British

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       EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

       1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 93 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone

       1 carrier and 1 destroyer moved from 98 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone

       1 fighter moved from 98 Sea Zone to Gibraltar

       1 aaGun and 3 infantry moved from Libya to Tunisia

       1 mech_infantry moved from India to Burma

       1 artillery moved from India to Burma

       2 infantry moved from Burma to India

       1 fighter moved from Trans-Jordan to Gibraltar

       1 fighter moved from 98 Sea Zone to Gibraltar

       1 infantry moved from Iraq to Trans-Jordan

       1 infantry moved from Iraq to Persia

       1 bomber moved from India to Northwest Persia

       EDIT: 1 fighter moved from Northwest Persia to Russia

       1 fighter moved from Northwest Persia to Persia

       1 bomber moved from Northwest Persia to Trans-Jordan



   Place Units - British

       1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Persia

       1 submarine placed in 98 Sea Zone

       2 infantry placed in Egypt

       British undo move 3.

       British undo move 2.

       British undo move 1.

       1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 infantry placed in Persia

       3 infantry placed in Egypt

       1 submarine placed in 71 Sea Zone



   Turn Complete - British

       British collect 33 PUs; end with 33 PUs



   Place Units - UK_Pacific

       1 artillery and 1 infantry placed in India



   Turn Complete - UK_Pacific

       UK_Pacific collect 7 PUs; end with 7 PUs

       Some Units in India change ownership: 1 artillery and 1 infantry

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : 0,83

Italians regular : -0,33

Japanese regular : 0,67

British regular : 3,50

Move 1 inf and aa to Tobruk instead of Tunisia.

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One sub should be in z54.

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