L21 #2 malmessi74 (X+6) vs trulpen (A) P2V

TripleA Turn Summary: Chinese round 6

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 6.2.0

Game History

Round: 6

    Purchase Units - Chinese
        Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
        Chinese buy 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Chinese
        2 infantry moved from Yunnan to Szechwan
        1 fighter moved from Yunnan to Szechwan

    Combat - Chinese
        Battle in Szechwan
            Chinese attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry
            Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Szechwan, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 0,83 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Szechwan, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Szechwan
            Chinese win, taking Szechwan from Japanese with 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Chinese
        1 fighter moved from Szechwan to Yunnan

    Place Units - Chinese
        2 infantry placed in Yunnan

    Turn Complete - Chinese
        Chinese collect 3 PUs; end with 3 PUs
        Objective Chinese 1 Burma Road: Chinese met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 6 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Chinese regular : 0,17
Japanese regular : -0,33

Savegame

TripleA Turn Summary: UK_Pacific round 6

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 6.2.0

Game History

Round: 6

    Purchase Units - Americans
        Americans buy 1 artillery, 2 carriers, 2 destroyers, 1 fighter, 2 infantry, 1 tactical_bomber and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Americans
        1 destroyer moved from 94 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Gibraltar to 93 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Morocco to 93 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 93 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 113 Sea Zone to Holland Belgium
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 93 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 113 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux
        1 submarine moved from 93 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from 94 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux
        1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to France
        2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 93 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux
        1 submarine moved from 93 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Queensland to 55 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 55 Sea Zone to 23 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 23 Sea Zone to Marianas
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 55 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 35 Sea Zone to Paulau

    Combat - Americans
        Strategic bombing raid in France
                Germans roll AA dice in France : 0/1 hits, 0,17 expected hits
            Bombing raid in France rolls: 5 and causes: 5 damage to unit: factory_minor
            Bombing raid in France causes 5 damage total. 
        Battle in Paulau
        Battle in Marianas
        Battle in 113 Sea Zone
            Americans attack with 1 destroyer, 2 submarines and 2 transports
            Germans defend with 1 submarine
                Americans roll dice for 2 submarines in 113 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer and 2 transports in 113 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 113 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,17 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 2 submarines in 113 Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in 113 Sea Zone
            Americans win, taking Paulau from Japanese, taking Marianas from Japanese with 1 destroyer, 2 submarines and 2 transports remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
            Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine
        Battle in Normandy Bordeaux
            Americans attack with 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            Germans defend with 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 2 infantry
                Americans roll dice for 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Normandy Bordeaux, round 2 : 4/6 hits, 2,50 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 2 infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Normandy Bordeaux
            Americans win, taking Normandy Bordeaux from Germans with 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
            Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry
        Battle in Holland Belgium

    Non Combat Move - Americans
        3 fighters moved from Normandy Bordeaux to 113 Sea Zone
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Normandy Bordeaux to 113 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from France to United Kingdom
        1 carrier moved from 93 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
        1 carrier moved from 93 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 93 Sea Zone to 108 Sea Zone
        1 cruiser moved from 93 Sea Zone to 89 Sea Zone
        1 marine moved from French West Africa to 89 Sea Zone
        1 cruiser and 1 marine moved from 89 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
        1 marine moved from 93 Sea Zone to Morocco
        1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 104 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
        1 armour, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Central United States to 104 Sea Zone
        1 armour, 2 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 2 transports moved from 104 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
        1 armour, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 93 Sea Zone to Morocco
        2 destroyers moved from 27 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone
        1 carrier moved from 55 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer and 2 submarines moved from 55 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
        1 marine moved from Malaya to 132 Sea Zone
        1 marine moved from Siam to 132 Sea Zone
        1 battleship, 2 cruisers and 2 marines moved from 132 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
        3 carriers, 4 destroyers and 2 fighters moved from 132 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
        2 fighters, 2 submarines and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 132 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from 132 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from 55 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Queensland to Caroline Islands
        1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 11 Sea Zone to 27 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western United States to Wake Island

    Place Units - Americans
        2 transports placed in 104 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer placed in 104 Sea Zone
        2 carriers and 1 destroyer placed in 11 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Central United States
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber placed in Western United States
        Americans undo move 3.
        Americans undo move 4.
        1 carrier and 1 destroyer placed in 11 Sea Zone
        1 carrier placed in 104 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber placed in Eastern United States

    Turn Complete - Americans
        Americans collect 63 PUs; end with 64 PUs
        Trigger Americans 7 North Africa Beach Head: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 69 PUs
        Trigger Americans 6 Western Europe Beach Head: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 74 PUs
        Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 84 PUs
        Objective Americans 9 Vital Forward Bases: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 89 PUs
        Objective Americans 8 Pacific Airfields: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 94 PUs
        Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 99 PUs
        Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 104 PUs

    Purchase Units - Chinese
        Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
        Chinese buy 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Chinese
        2 infantry moved from Yunnan to Szechwan
        1 fighter moved from Yunnan to Szechwan

    Combat - Chinese
        Battle in Szechwan
            Chinese attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry
            Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Szechwan, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 0,83 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Szechwan, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Szechwan
            Chinese win, taking Szechwan from Japanese with 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Chinese
        1 fighter moved from Szechwan to Yunnan

    Place Units - Chinese
        2 infantry placed in Yunnan

    Turn Complete - Chinese
        Chinese collect 3 PUs; end with 3 PUs
        Objective Chinese 1 Burma Road: Chinese met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 6 PUs

    Purchase Units - British
        British buy 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 destroyer and 5 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Purchase Units - UK_Pacific
        UK_Pacific repair damage of 8x factory_major; Remaining resources: 21 PUs; 
        UK_Pacific buy 1 armour, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - British
        1 infantry moved from Yunnan to Kweichow
        2 fighters moved from Yunnan to Kweichow
        3 artilleries and 7 infantry moved from Iraq to Trans-Jordan
        1 infantry moved from Tobruk to Alexandria
              British take Alexandria from Italians

    Combat - British
        Battle in Kweichow
            British attack with 2 fighters and 1 infantry
            Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                British roll dice for 2 fighters and 1 infantry in Kweichow, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1,17 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Kweichow, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Kweichow
            British win with 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for British: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
        Battle in Trans-Jordan
            British attack with 3 artilleries and 7 infantry
            Italians defend with 1 infantry
                British roll dice for 3 artilleries and 7 infantry in Trans-Jordan, round 2 : 3/10 hits, 2,67 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 infantry in Trans-Jordan, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Trans-Jordan
            British win, taking Trans-Jordan from Italians with 3 artilleries and 7 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - British
        2 artilleries, 1 fighter, 3 infantry, 1 marine and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kenya to Anglo-Egyptian Sudan
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Belgian Congo to Anglo-Egyptian Sudan
        1 transport moved from 74 Sea Zone to 73 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Rhodesia to Belgian Congo
        2 infantry moved from Union of South Africa to Rhodesia
        1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 2 destroyers moved from 74 Sea Zone to 78 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Southern Persia to Northwest Persia
        2 infantry moved from Southern Persia to Iraq
        1 battleship, 2 carriers and 3 cruisers moved from 94 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from 94 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
        3 fighters moved from United Kingdom to Normandy Bordeaux
        1 transport moved from 93 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from United Kingdom to 113 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from 113 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux
        2 infantry moved from Quebec to 109 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 109 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 93 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
        1 artillery moved from Burma to Yunnan
        2 infantry moved from Burma to Yunnan
        2 fighters moved from Kweichow to Yunnan
        1 fighter moved from 113 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux

    Place Units - British
        1 destroyer placed in 113 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Iraq
        1 armour and 2 infantry placed in Southern Persia
        1 artillery and 1 infantry placed in Union of South Africa

    Turn Complete - British
        British collect 36 PUs; end with 36 PUs
        Trigger British 3 No Enemy Submarines: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 39 PUs

    Place Units - UK_Pacific
        1 armour, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber placed in Eastern India

    Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
        UK_Pacific collect 11 PUs; end with 11 PUs
        Trigger UK Pacific 4 No Enemy Submarines: UK_Pacific met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 14 PUs
        Some Units in Eastern India change ownership: 1 armour, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Chinese regular : 0,17
Americans regular : 0,83
Italians regular : -0,33
Japanese regular : 0,33
Germans AA : -0,17
Germans regular : -0,83
British regular : 0,17

Savegame

@malmessi74 said in L21 #2 malmessi74 (X+6) vs trulpen (A) P2V:

@trulpen

245 - 130 ipc situation, clearly an economic victory, should I go on or not ?

It’s a dice game, but, yes, it looks tough for Axis.

I have no problem with if you either want to play it out or rather feel you don’t want to invest the time. Both works fine, but you choose.

I mean, if I were in your shoes I’d go for some big battle, like Stalingrad. If it fails, resign. If it’s a success then the economic balance will be heavily tilted towards the Axis, evening the position out a bit. Not sure it’s enough anyway, but there’s no harm trying.

@malmessi74 said in L21 #2 malmessi74 (X+6) vs trulpen (A) P2V:

@trulpenplay

Last time as Axis made a fatal error with Us fleet in OPacific (did not even simulated).
This time no particualr error but simply too much freedom for Stalin and noy a well played game… Any suggestion for me ?

The fleet build for Germany was premature. It was rather easy for me to take the edge of it by blocking, so it didn’t really pay off enough. If there for instance was a Sea Lion or atleast control of Gibraltar on the table, it might’ve been worth it. As it was now, as you also pointed out earlier, Russia is becoming too strong, even despite the japanese pressure in the east.

Crushing the chinese is a primary goal for J, especially here in P2V where there is so much more income from it, but I think you went after them a bit too hard. This left forces too thin in the south, so I was pretty happy about retreating and eventually sacrificing the chinese stack on the cheap. It will get soon be re-established in Yunnan with the help of UK. Yunnan is a very important territory for both sides.

The fleet maneuvering is always complex and prone to mistakes. I think J was to weak on the ocean. More needs to be invested there in order to keep the USN at bay. Key is to get enough economy to be able to hold all fronts after a sufficient level of expansion. Having control over the ocean is a primary target.

Like in our previous game when I was allowed to crush the allied land forces in the Carolines. I had enough fleet to stack head to head och that sneaky maneuver took the bite out of the allied offensive for several turns.

J gets even more income here in P2V than in the other versions, but I think they still need only 2-3 mICs on the eastern mainland. Enough to sufficiently reinforce troops without the need of transports, but not too much to drain the naval mobilization. It’s a pretty delicate balance to strike.

As it was now the JN got lured back to protect the homeland and then the economic situation for J collapsed after losing the DEI and southern Asia.

Ah, yes, developing on the theme of handling scarce recources. I think building mechs and tanks is a mistake, atleast early on. It’s 11 instead of 6 IPC for 2 units. This might have been one of the main reasons why JN was weak. A single such trade is almost a full sub. Three is almost a carrier.

With the starting huge air-force J should focus on pumping out carriers. It’s an extremely versatile and strong ship, despite being somewhat nerfed with @1 in defense. The carrier scramble is extremely strong and should be exploited.

@malmessi74 said in L21 #2 malmessi74 (X+6) vs trulpen (A) P2V:

@trulpen said in L21 #2 malmessi74 (X+6) vs trulpen (A) P2V:

With the starting huge air-force J should focus on pumping out carriers. It’s an extremely versatile and strong ship, despite being somewhat nerfed with @1 in defense. The carrier scramble is extremely strong and should be exploited.

Not when the adjacent SZ has trasp only and no scramble is allowed from Ac (my main error in this game) :cry:

Ah, yes, they combine well with des, not trannies and subs. Important rule. J losing a lot of transports early was a problem for you.

German purchases

Early Sea Lion is still a bummer. In P2V I almost always build 10 inf G1, although 1 ac, 2 inf, 2 art also is viable.

During G2 I just purchase the number of mechs that are needed to pair with existing tanks (think it’s usually 4) and then inf/art. As in other versions a des is valuable and maybe 1-2 subs.

Because of the higher cost of mechs, they’re not as valuable/economic as in BM3, so I go with a strong push of slow-movers with the aim of gaining key objectives.

Expansion in China

Especially when J isn’t at war with any other nations than China (usually J1-2 for me) it can use its eminent air-force to push the chinese back. Then later I still use the air-force to fend them off with skirmishes until I’m strong enough in the south to make a more substantial push. J has an important advantage there, making attrition beneficial. Use it.

China can’t stick its nose out too far without being annihilated, so will have to huddle. That’s ok. Japan has the time.

I believe I’ve shown that it’s possible. ;)

Fleet superiority

Early on you simply need more carriers and destroyers. That will suffice. Sometimes transports have to be sacrificed, but protect them when you can. They’re very valuable for logistics among the islands, which J has to be able to take care off in order to not lose the game instantly.