Japan completely avoiding china


  • In our last AA50 1941 playthrough, Japan completely avoided china, and it went perfect!

    Economically it made sense, since chinese infantry is cheaper but as hard to kill; and china always plays defence.

    Japan just took all its forces except two inf, and invaded russia. So, after three rounds, Japan was pushed out of china with the loss of 10 IPC’s income (provinces and NO’s), though it didn’t matter, because the allies didn’t get that additional income, and chinese forces was stuck in china.

    At the end, the axis won the game, and china was reduced to a neutral nation with aircraft landing priviliges for the allies. It look stupid to have piles of inf. chips standing in china going nowhere.

    Have anybody else experienced this, and can it be fixed without giving a huge favour for the allies?


  • @thomas-sam-smitshuysen Just let Chinese forces leave China IMO. You’re playing with NOs so the Axis already have a massive advantage. Thus, it would only be fair to at least let the Chinese dudes actually do something.


  • @domanmacgee

    To me it looks like a swing of about 17 -22 IPCs when you consider NOs as well as territories china can take back.

    I think those 17 are vital to Japan especially Manchuria which is often a tank factory.

    If further tweaking is needed I would allow China to take back HongKong/ Vietnam/ Burma. That would really spice things up in the China v Japan Theatre,


  • @the-spaceman, the networth of lost IPC’s is not that high, if you use your forces to eg. rush Russia, simply because the russian ipc’s are taken out of their economy (so double worth so to speak). The chinese IPC doesn’t go to the allies (if you strictly keep out of China).

    But yes, it is a bit alternative. In our game it came out beautifully, because UK beefed up India. But with the stronger japanese navy, the UK forces ended up never seeing any action.

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    I think this is a perfectly reasonable strategy – but keep in mind that you are forfeiting two victory cities as the Axis. The Chinese can attack and occupy Kwangtung, so you’re losing out on both Shanghai and Hong Kong. This makes it very hard for the Axis to get a majority of the victory cities. Even if you completely crush Russia, that only gets you to 9 VC:

    Tokyo, Manila, Moscow, Stalingrad, Leningrad, Warsaw, Berlin, Rome, Paris.

    So then you also have to pick up India (challenging without any factories in China), or Australia (hard to hold if you’re mostly going after Russia), or Honolulu (ditto).

    The Japanese share of Russian income is just not that large – dripping wet, you’ve got Buryatia, SFE, Stanovoj, Yakut, Evenki, Urals, Novosibirsk, Kazakh, and Stalingrad (15 IPCs total).

    Meanwhile, the Japanese income for all of China is Manchuria, Kiangsu, Suiyuan, Ningxia, Chinghai, Sikang, Hupeh, Fukien, Yunnan, Kwangtung, and the NO (18 IPCs total).

    So, yeah, given that Russia is a more important target than China, you can see where it would be worth a few bucks to go after Russia instead of China, but there are no VCs in Siberia, so that’s the trade-off. If you actually crush Moscow early, then, great, the gambit worked. If not, then you might gain some very minor economic benefits, but you’re likely to stall out and lose on points in the endgame.

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