Can submarines move through enemey channals like the suez Channel in combat move


  • @trig I appreciate the support, Trig! I think you are more brilliant that I am, and you have the greater, more intricate comprehension of the rules. I need to understand it at a simple level to get it. Then, because I understand it like a child, I can explain it more easily! 8 )

    I am taking a break from changing my garbage disposal, otherwise I’d work on a video to explain Clarifying Ordering Effects. Maybe tonight or later this week.

    Here’s the scenario I’m thinking about (and I’d like to get your input to make it a better scenario).

    1. Japan is neutral, but has attacked a minor power (to allow GB the opportunity to declare war). What minor should it be? I’m thinking of Siam - totally ridiculous, but makes it easy.
    2. Japan has moved a submarine through the Suez canal to sea zone 81 on prior moves.
    3. Japan has a big navy with transports in Formosa. GB has naval units in sea zones 88 and 87, and a lone transport in sea zone 85.
    4. Japan requests to move its submarine through the Suez canal. GB declines to declare war and prevent this.
    5. Japan moves its submarine from sea zone 82 to sea zone 83. There are no enemy units so it doesn’t need to announce anything because there’s nothing the defending player can do to stop it after it is through the canal.
    6. Japan picks up infantry on transports from Formosa and moves it’s large fleet to sea zone 87, announcing the intention to move to sea zone 122. If GB declares war, Japan won’t be able to make it to Calcutta. GB declines to declare war.
    7. Japan doesn’t need to announce anything in sea zone 122 (it’s empty).
    8. Japan moves its large fleet from sea zone 122 to sea zone 87. Since Japan is the Attacking player, he has to announce intention upon entering the sea zone and declares war, invoking the Surprise Attack ability, deciding on a screening force with a separate amphibious invasion force against Calcutta.

    How can I make the example better for the video? Is there anything I have wrong? This shows that you can use the Surprise Attack, don’t have to declare war at the start of the combat phase, can waltz through enemy fleets (daring them to declare war), and creates amazing dilemmas for the GB player. The system works great!


  • @hbg-gw-enthusiast

    Sorry for the later reply.
    I like this! My suggestion would be to have that sub moving through Suez wait to enter 83, and then raid in it. That would show you can seperate moves, and don’t have to do them sequentially.
    You should probably also mention scrambling and maybe something with MAP, do cover all the bases. Maybe there is a plane on MAP in 82 or something to do with that in another spot? Just to show how this also applies during wartime moves after the DOW.
    Also, what was the point of the transport in 85? I didn’t see where that came up.
    Overall, looks good! I would also probably mention some other possibilities, if say, GB does DOW and how that would work with screening forces.
    I really like the use of this system for all moves, and will definitely “house rule” it in.


  • @trig said in Can submarines move through enemey channals like the suez Channel in combat move:

    @hbg-gw-enthusiast
    My suggestion would be to have that sub moving through Suez wait to enter 83, and then raid in it. That would show you can seperate moves, and don’t have to do them sequentially.
    Also, what was the point of the transport in 85? I didn’t see where that came up.

    I was going to have the Japanese use their Surprise Attack ability to grant that submarine one more movement to go after the transport in 85. Maybe I’ll make the transport in 85 two naked CV’s instead.

    You should probably also mention scrambling and maybe something with MAP, do cover all the bases. Maybe there is a plane on MAP in 82 or something to do with that in another spot? Just to show how this also applies during wartime moves after the DOW.
    Overall, looks good! I would also probably mention some other possibilities, if say, GB does DOW and how that would work with screening forces.

    Great ideas!

    I really like the use of this system for all moves, and will definitely “house rule” it in.

    I believe in the game designers and hope that with time, this system will be officially adopted! Other than the two GHG videos, this is how I would have thought the rules work as written.

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