• @aequitas-et-veritas said in OOB or BM3:

    BM 3 over OoB.

    From what I’ve seen on triplea guys are blasting BM3. Even the big guns like it alot.

  • '21 '20 '19 '18 '17 '16

    @AndrewAAGamer said in OOB or BM3:

    @Marshmallow-of-War said in OOB or BM3:

    Also, I have yet to actually receive a 60 IPC bid from Andrew.

    @Marshmallow-of-War aka Jonathan how can you say that? The very last game we played face to face before COVID 19 hit, at Ram’s house, I gave your team $60.

    Yes, you started early, put me on a team with complete newbs who listened to XXX about what do for the bid, and when I showed up 5 minutes late I got handed ANZAC. Meanwhile, you and Ted executed a well-prepared script that you’ve rehearsed many times.

    I stand by my statement – I have never received a 60 IPC bid from you.


  • @GEN-MANSTEIN I do not like it but won’t go into why – not the purpose of the thread.


  • @Marshmallow-of-War said in OOB or BM3:

    I stand by my statement – I have never received a 60 IPC bid from you.

    LOL - okay if you feel that way. Let’s not hijack this thread. PM me and we can start a game. You can be Axis or Allies at $60.


  • @Marshmallow-of-War said in OOB or BM3:

    @GEN-MANSTEIN I do not like it but won’t go into why – not the purpose of the thread.

    Ya go ahead. Start another thread. Maybe some guys want to hear your opinion?


  • @GEN-MANSTEIN Nah, I’ve said it all before.


  • @AndrewAAGamer said in OOB or BM3:

    @Marshmallow-of-War said in OOB or BM3:

    I stand by my statement – I have never received a 60 IPC bid from you.

    LOL - okay if you feel that way. Let’s not hijack this thread. PM me and we can start a game. You can be Axis or Allies at $60.

    Sure thing. I’ll email the bid placement.


  • OOB, no bids.

    Gotta stay classic

  • '20

    @Alex-Phillips if your play group is not good then yeah vanilla no bid is pretty balanced


  • @Colt45554 We’ve all been playing since the 90’s in our core 4, and we’ve played almost weekly for the last 8 years.

    Out of the box with no bids works perfectly. If you find one side always wins, change up the strategy. Its all in the dice rolls any way you play.


  • @Alex-Phillips said in OOB or BM3:

    Its all in the dice rolls any way you play.

    Welcome Alex! I am going to have to totally disagree with you on this comment. A good strategy will always win against a poor strategy; no matter how bad the dice are for the Player with the good strategy. There are ways to mitigate the dice and that is what a good strategy does.

    I will agree with you that against Players of equal caliber, with equally good strategies, that the dice or a blunder will make the difference.

    I do not lose very often but when I do it is probably only about 20% of the time due to really bad dice. The bulk of the time I lose, the other 80%, is due to my opponent outplaying me or I make a blunder that my opponent takes advantage of. Hmmm, I guess those really are the same thing aren’t they… my opponent outplays me.

    So the dice are not the difference maker, talent is the difference maker.

    Hope you join the league and start playing!


  • @AndrewAAGamer I’ll be baited. Unfortunately I think there’s a lot of arrogance displayed by some of the more serious/veteran posters like yourself, Gen. Manstein, etc. It puts me off joining any league on here. I like to post the occasional snippet, read interesting strategies, but that’s it, thanks.


  • @Alex-Phillips said in OOB or BM3:

    Unfortunately I think there’s a lot of arrogance displayed by some of the more serious/veteran posters like yourself, Gen. Manstein, etc.

    You don’t have to play against anybody you don’t want to play against, its fun I promise! You can simply ignore those that you don’t want to deal with.

  • '20

    @Alex-Phillips sorry if my post came off as snobby; was not my intention and I am not a good/bad player. OOB face-to-face works great until you find out the strategies that have been perfected and this site has loads of that info. After that, in my personal experience, face-to-face games became different with Axis playing more optimal ways.


  • @Alex-Phillips said in OOB or BM3:

    @AndrewAAGamer I’ll be baited. Unfortunately I think there’s a lot of arrogance displayed by some of the more serious/veteran posters like yourself, Gen. Manstein, etc. It puts me off joining any league on here. I like to post the occasional snippet, read interesting strategies, but that’s it, thanks.

    What’s the issue ?


  • @Alex-Phillips said in OOB or BM3:

    @AndrewAAGamer I’ll be baited. Unfortunately I think there’s a lot of arrogance displayed by some of the more serious/veteran posters like yourself, Gen. Manstein, etc. It puts me off joining any league on here. I like to post the occasional snippet, read interesting strategies, but that’s it, thanks.

    Yeah - sorry, I don’t know what “I’ll be baited” means. But apparently you are not interested in any advice from me and that is cool. To each their own. Good luck in your gaming!


  • OOB with 2nd choice Siredbloods variant. BM3 no way ever

  • '21 '20 '19 '18 '17 '16

    @Alex-Phillips said in OOB or BM3:

    @AndrewAAGamer I’ll be baited. Unfortunately I think there’s a lot of arrogance displayed by some of the more serious/veteran posters like yourself, Gen. Manstein, etc. It puts me off joining any league on here. I like to post the occasional snippet, read interesting strategies, but that’s it, thanks.

    With all due respect, I think you’re misunderstanding Andrew.

    I’ve played with him many times and lost many times, having won against him only once when his partner made a massive mistake in the Pacific that cost the US catastrophically.

    Three other times I’ve come close to beating him:

    Once he and a friend took the Allies against me as the Axis in Global. I threw the script away and launched a devastating mechanized attack against Russia (which appears to be me to be the basis for Andrew’s current Axis plan, albeit with some refinement). The question, “How are we going to beat him?” was asked and the answer from Andrew was “I don’t know.” In the end, I made a bad attack and beat myself.

    The next time was Anniversary again, and three players against Andrew (running the Axis by himself I believe). The US and Russia did their parts, but the guy running UK was a horrible player who liked making questionable attacks. He did not want to do anything that his partners needed. At the end, the attack on Moscow would have never happened if the UK had killed just four more German infantry.

    Once he and his buddy ran Axis in Anniversary, and I was on a team with two other players. One of the players was very new and a very good player who made Russia look interesting and easy, but at the end despite the fact that Japan was beaten in the Pacific Germany took Moscow. Japan was beaten but standing (and it would have taken many more turns to crush it completely). US fighters, a whole darned stack of them, were one more turn away from Moscow and that would have ended the game definitively in favor of the Allies, with Germany having no chance of success in Europe and Japan having no chance of success in the Pacific. The new player had refused to take a UK fighter in defense of Moscow in order to keep his objective. That resulted in a 50/50 battle that could have been like 35/65 in favor of the Allies. The dice came up against the Allies. With Russia defeated, we felt there was no way to achieve victory unless we risked defeat in the Pacific.

    Andrew doesn’t believe in luck. He believes in hard work and patience, and he works harder at this game than anyone else I’ve ever seen or heard of. I’ve never heard him complain about getting diced (although I have seen him lose games because his opponent got lucky with the dice). He just waits til he has the best possible chance of success for an attack. He practices constantly.

    He’s proud of his skill. I don’t think that’s arrogance. He works harder than any other player I’ve ever met to improve his play. There’s a difference between pride in your effort and arrogance.

    Yes, Andrew is a serious player. He’s not a better player because he’s more gifted at strategy. He’s a better player because he works harder, period to understand the mechanics of the game and how they will play out. That’s not arrogance – that’s determination.

    He’s not a better player because he blames other people for his mistakes. He accepts responsibility when he makes a mistake. That’s not arrogance – that’s honesty with himself, something many, many people in the world should consider taking more of.

    I’m probably a better instinctive player than Andrew, but where I come up short is determination. Me, I spend my time on city government, running a D&D game, working on a book, and learning two different languages while juggling my day job and pondering graduate school. Why does he beat me? Because he practices harder and longer. Because I’m not as patient as he is.

    Playing against him has made me a better player. He has always been willing to offer advice without judgement and to help me get better. He has taught me new things about the game both with and without trying to do so.

    So, with respects, reserve your judgement and get to work. When you win as much as Andrew does, you’ll have the right to decide whether or not he’s being arrogant.

  • '21 '18 '16

    i’m still waiting for Andrew to take my challenge,… sigh, i guess i’ll continue to wait.


  • @Marshmallow-of-War Why thank you Jonathan! I do not think I have ever had anyone stand up and defend me before; I appreciate the sentiment. Happy Gaming!

    Oh and the check is in the mail. :)

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