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Ive seen it tried many times against me, but its a side show. you need a combination of events. You need to make a thousand cuts against an enemy and it will die quickly. Keep hitting France, Karelia, Italy, Benulux, Norway and you will win

Don’t think I’ve played to a 9 VC win. Agreed that Hawaii being a VC makes it almost impossible for allies to win, or at the very least it forces America to go pacific or give up a free VC, and then all the axis need to do is hold onto easy to take VC’s.

sadly the game we were playing was a KGF game. Germany is just too strong, but I do like the first round take buy to keep Germany from stacking in Karelia R1.

I spent just as much on 1941 from Toys R Us.  Took that back and ordered 1942.2 off of Amazon for around $60. So yeah,  grab one now!

Just replied to your PM. I’ll need an answer before setting up the thread in the Forum…

Good video along with the turn 1 video in HJ’s thread. One thing I do have to comment on is there must be some horrible, horrible rolls for the Germans in turn 1. Getting Egypt in turn 1 is usually dicey so not getting it is possible, I tend to take Trans-Jordan to make blocking  the canal a sure thing. But not getting Karelia is a definate blow to the Axis, especially with the 2 Russian Fighters there waiting to be picked off. When I play as Germany I love it when Russia packs Karelia at the end of their turn with Tanks and especially their Fighters. At least the Axis got into the precious Russian Tanks though. Also Japan taking their SZ 37 fleet into a blocked Suez Canal was a move I never seen before, but might be deadly for them as it seems USA is going all out Pacific in this one. As it stands with USA looking to dominate the Pacific and UK having an Atlantic fleet at the end of turn 2 with no US help, looks like an Allied victory is almost certain. Good videos though, looking forward to seeing how it plays out.

@Baron: The Triple A 1942.2 SBR rule is each plane get Att or Def @1 and StB get 1D6 damage. However, the math also shows that it is not better to bring along Fg as escort than throwing only StBs. Almost the same odds: 0.825 IPC/ SBR run (with 1 StB 1 Fg) vs 0.861 IPC/ SBR run (with 2 StBs). The only difference is with 2 Bombers there is much risk (of loosing more IPCs) but also much reward (more damage against the defender). From this, my analysis will be that there is no need to escort 2 bombers or more with Fighters as long as you get a 1:1 ratio against defending interceptors. Better to put your Fgs on other missions. Below there is the maths. Triple A SBR 1942.2: 2 StBs A1 doing SBR against 2 intercepting Fgs D1 Sum: +8.195 - 7.334 = + 0.861 IPCs damage/StB I can also add that it is even more the case with G40 SBR, no need to throw a Fg on an escort mission if you have at least 2 StBs and a 1:1 ratio against defending interceptors. According to the maths of G40 OOB SBR rules, the odds to inflict damage to the defender are clearly increasing keeping 1:1 ratio, from 1 StB, 1 StB+1Fg and, finally 2 StBs. The odds are even better than a single bomber against an undefended Industrial Complex ! ( +2.583 vs + 3.639 IPCs damage/SBR run) G1940 SBR: 1 StB doing SBR without interceptor/ damage 1D6+2 Sum: +4.583 - 2 = +2.583 IPCs damage/SBR run G40: 1 StB A1 doing SBR against 1 Fg D1 / damage 1D6+2 Sum: + 4.845 - 3.666 = + 1.179 IPC. damage/SBR run G40: 1 StB A1 doing SBR against 2 intercepting Fgs D1 Sum: + 4.85 - 5.056 = - 0.206 IPCs damage/SBR run G40: 1 StB & 1 Fg A1 doing SBR against 2 intercepting Fgs D1 damage: 1D6+2 Sum: +7.775 - 5.33 = + 2.445 IPCs damage/SBR run G40: 2 StBs A1 doing SBR against 2 intercepting Fgs D1 damage: 1D6+2/StB Sum: +10.973 - 7.334 = + 3.639 IPCs damage/SBR run G40: 1 StB & 1 Fg A1 doing SBR against 1 intercepting Fgs D1 Sum: + 7.639 - 3.667 = + 3.972 IPCs damage/SBR run G40: 2 StBs A1 doing SBR against 1 intercepting Fgs D1 Sum: +11.459 - 5.666 = + 5.793 IPCs damage/SBR run Triple A SBR 1942.2: 1 StB doing SBR without interceptor (A1 vs D1, damage 1D6) Sum: +2.917 - 2 = +0.917 IPC damage/SBR run Triple A SBR 1942.2: 1 StB A1 vs 1 Fg D1 Sum: +3.69 - 3.667 = + 0.023 IPC damage/SBR run Triple A SBR 1942.2 : 1 StB A1 doing SBR against 2 intercepting Fgs D1 / damage 1D6 Sum: + 2.025 - 5.056 = - 3.031 IPCs damage/SBR run Triple A SBR 1942.2: 1 StB & 1 Fg A1 doing SBR against 2 intercepting Fgs D1 Sum: +6.155 - 5.33 = + 0.825 IPC damage/SBR run Triple A SBR 1942.2: 2 StBs A1 doing SBR against 2 intercepting Fgs D1 Sum: +8.195 - 7.334 = + 0.861 IPC damage/SBR run Triple A SBR 1942.2: 1 StB & 1 Fg A1 doing SBR against 1 intercepting Fg D1 Sum: + 5.973 - 3.667 = + 2.306 IPCs damage/SBR run Triple A SBR 1942.2: 2 StBs A1 doing SBR against 1 intercepting Fg D1 Sum: +8.403 - 5.666 = + 2.737 IPCs damage/StB OOB SBR rules for 1942.2: 1 StB doing SBR without interceptor damage: 1D6 Sum: + 2.917 - 2 = +.917 IPC damage/SBR run OOB 1942.2: 1 StB A1 first strike vs 1 Fg D2 Sum: + 3.8 - 4.8 = - 1 IPC damage/SBR run OOB 1942.2: 1 StB A1 first strike doing SBR against 2 intercepting Fgs D2 / damage 1D6 Sum: + 3.071 - 7.185 = - 4.114 IPC. damage/SBR OOB 1942.2: 1 StB & 1 Fg A1 first strike doing SBR against 2 intercepting Fgs D2 Sum: + 6.018 - 7.555 = - 1.537 IPCs damage/SBR run OOB 1942.2: 2 StBs A1 first strike doing SBR against 2 intercepting Fgs D2 Sum: +7.547 - 9.556 = - 2.009 IPCs damage/SBR run OOB 1942.2: 1 StB & 1 Fg A1 first strike doing SBR against 1 intercepting Fg D2 Sum: + 5.973 - 5.159 = + 0.814 IPCs damage/SBR run OOB 1942.2: 2 StBs A1 first strike doing SBR against 1 intercepting Fg D2 Sum: + 8.214 - 6.315 = + 1.899 IPCs damage/SBR run So the only case for advocating Fg escort is within OOB SBR rules from 1942.2, the odds are less worse for the attacker if it keeps pairing 1 StB with 1 Fg. Playing 1942.2 online with Triple A SBR rules however, it is a different story. As in G40, 2 StBs has almost the same odds of doing damage as a single StB raid against an undefended IC. (.861 vs .917 IPC/SBR run) So, based on these comparative stats, we can say that the actual OOB 1942.2 SBR rules is more historical than the 2 others, since the game mechanics give less risks for bombers when paired to Fg but it is at the expense of making SBR strategies much less appealing for attacker, and for Allies in particular. Here is the link to HR forum for what I think is a more historical and balance SBR rules: http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=34118.msg1311386#msg1311386

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