L20 AndrewAAGamer (Axis) vs max334 (Allies +30) Global 1940 2nd Ed OOB

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AndrewAAGamer

TripleA Turn Summary: Japanese round 1

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0

Game History

Round: 1

    Purchase Units - Japanese
        Japanese buy 3 transports; Remaining resources: 5 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 

    Politics - Japanese
        Japanese takes Political Action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies
            Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Japanese and Americans from Neutrality to War
            Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Japanese and British from Neutrality to War
            Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Japanese and UK_Pacific from Neutrality to War
            Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Japanese and ANZAC from Neutrality to War
            Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Japanese and Dutch from Neutrality to War
            Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Japanese and French from Neutrality to War
            Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Germans and Americans from Neutrality to War
            Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Italians and Americans from Neutrality to War
            Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Chinese and Americans from Neutrality to Allied
            Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Chinese and British from Neutrality to Allied
            Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Chinese and UK_Pacific from Concordant to Allied
            Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Chinese and French from Neutrality to Allied
            Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Chinese and ANZAC from Neutrality to Allied
            Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Chinese and Dutch from Neutrality to Friendly
            Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for British and Americans from Neutrality to Allied
            Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for UK_Pacific and Americans from Neutrality to Allied
            Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for ANZAC and Americans from Neutrality to Allied
            Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Americans and French from Neutrality to Allied
            Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Americans and Dutch from Neutrality to Friendly
            Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Americans and Neutral_Allies from Neutrality to Friendly_Neutral
            Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Americans and Neutral_Axis from Neutrality to Unfriendly_Neutral
        Trigger Russians Allied Americans 5: Changing Relationship for Russians and Americans from Neutrality to Allied

    Combat Move - Japanese
        Trigger Japanese Unrestricted Movement: Setting movementRestrictionTerritories cleared  for rulesAttachment attached to Japanese
        1 fighter moved from Formosa to 20 Sea Zone
        1 cruiser and 1 fighter moved from 20 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
        2 bombers moved from Japan to 37 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Siam to French Indo China
              Japanese take French Indo China from French
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Kwangsi to French Indo China
        1 infantry moved from Kwangsi to Kwangtung
        2 infantry moved from Kiangsi to Kwangtung
        1 artillery moved from Kiangsi to 20 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 transport moved from 20 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
        1 artillery moved from 43 Sea Zone to Borneo
        2 fighters moved from 6 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
        1 tactical_bomber moved from 6 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
        1 artillery moved from Manchuria to 19 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Jehol to Chahar
              Japanese take Chahar from Chinese
        1 mech_infantry moved from Manchuria to Chahar
        1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Shantung to Anhwe
              Japanese take Anhwe from Chinese
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kiangsu to Kwangtung
        1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Kiangsu to Anhwe
        2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Manchuria to Kwangtung
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 33 Sea Zone to Philippines
        1 infantry moved from Okinawa to 19 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 battleship, 1 destroyer, 1 infantry, 1 submarine and 1 transport moved from 19 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
        1 armour moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
        1 armour, 1 battleship, 1 infantry, 1 submarine and 1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
        1 carrier moved from 6 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
        1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from 35 Sea Zone to Philippines
        2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Japan to Kwangtung
        1 tactical_bomber moved from 6 Sea Zone to Kwangtung

    Combat - Japanese
        Battle in Borneo
        Battle in 35 Sea Zone
            Japanese attack with 2 battleships, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters, 2 submarines, 1 tactical_bomber and 2 transports
            Americans defend with 1 destroyer and 1 submarine
                Japanese roll dice for 2 submarines in 35 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 2 battleships, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters, 1 tactical_bomber and 2 transports in 35 Sea Zone, round 2 : 4/1 hits, 3.33 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 35 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer in 35 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 submarine owned by the Americans and 1 destroyer owned by the Americans lost in 35 Sea Zone
            Japanese win, taking Borneo from UK_Pacific with 2 battleships, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters, 2 submarines, 1 tactical_bomber and 2 transports remaining. Battle score for attacker is 14
            Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer and 1 submarine
        Battle in 37 Sea Zone
            Japanese attack with 2 bombers, 1 cruiser and 1 fighter
            British defend with 1 battleship
                Japanese roll dice for 2 bombers, 1 cruiser and 1 fighter in 37 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/1 hits, 2.33 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 battleship in 37 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 battleship owned by the British and 1 cruiser owned by the Japanese lost in 37 Sea Zone
            Japanese win with 2 bombers and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 cruiser
            Casualties for British: 1 battleship
        Battle in Philippines
            Japanese attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            Americans defend with 1 airfield, 1 fighter, 1 harbour and 2 infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Philippines, round 2 : 2/1 hits, 2.50 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Philippines, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 2 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Philippines
                Japanese roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Philippines, round 3 : 2/1 hits, 2.33 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 fighter in Philippines, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 fighter owned by the Americans lost in Philippines
            Japanese win, taking Philippines from Americans with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 10
            Casualties for Japanese: 2 infantry
            Casualties for Americans: 1 fighter and 2 infantry
        Battle in Kwangtung
            Japanese attack with 5 fighters, 3 infantry and 6 tactical_bombers
            British defend with 2 infantry; UK_Pacific defend with 1 harbour
                Japanese roll dice for 5 fighters, 3 infantry and 6 tactical_bombers in Kwangtung, round 2 : 7/1 hits, 6.83 expected hits
                UK_Pacific roll dice for 2 infantry in Kwangtung, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 2 infantry owned by the British lost in Kwangtung
            Japanese win, taking Kwangtung from UK_Pacific with 5 fighters, 2 infantry and 6 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
            Casualties for British: 2 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Japanese
        1 infantry moved from Kiangsi to Kwangsi
        1 fighter moved from 37 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
        2 bombers moved from 37 Sea Zone to Kwangsi
        1 carrier and 1 destroyer moved from 33 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from 35 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
        1 tactical_bomber moved from 35 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from 35 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Philippines to 35 Sea Zone
        1 carrier moved from 6 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Okinawa to Japan
        1 fighter moved from Korea to Japan
        4 infantry moved from Korea to Manchuria
        5 fighters and 6 tactical_bombers moved from Kwangtung to Kwangsi

    Place Units - Japanese
        3 transports placed in 6 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - Japanese
        Japanese collect 39 PUs; end with 44 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

British : 0.33
Americans : -0.50
UK_Pacific : 0.33
Japanese : -1.00

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max334

S. Italy scramble orders and which planes. Click this link for map: 4Apr2020.tsvg

AndrewAAGamer

@max334 No scramble

max334

TripleA Turn Summary: UK_Pacific round 1

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0

Game History

Round: 1

    Purchase Units - Americans
        Americans buy 1 artillery, 1 carrier, 2 destroyers, 1 infantry, 1 submarine and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Politics - Americans
        Trigger Americans War Production Eastern: has removed 1 factory_minor owned by Americans in Eastern United States
        Trigger Americans War Production Central: has removed 1 factory_minor owned by Americans in Central United States
        Trigger Americans War Production Western: has removed 1 factory_minor owned by Americans in Western United States
        Trigger Americans War Production Eastern: Americans has 1 factory_major placed in Eastern United States
        Trigger Americans War Production Central: Americans has 1 factory_major placed in Central United States
        Trigger Americans War Production Western: Americans has 1 factory_major placed in Western United States

    Combat Move - Americans
        Trigger Americans Unrestricted Movement: Setting movementRestrictionTerritories cleared  for rulesAttachment attached to Americans

    Non Combat Move - Americans
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Eastern United States to 101 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 101 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
        1 cruiser moved from 101 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
        1 artillery moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
        1 transport moved from 26 Sea Zone to 10 Sea Zone
        1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 26 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from Central United States to Gibraltar
        1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser and 1 fighter moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Hawaiian Islands to Queensland
        1 armour and 1 infantry moved from Central United States to Eastern United States
        1 mech_infantry moved from Central United States to Eastern United States
        1 mech_infantry moved from Central United States to Eastern United States
        1 mech_infantry moved from Central United States to Western United States
        1 fighter moved from Western United States to 26 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Hawaiian Islands to Queensland
        1 tactical_bomber moved from 10 Sea Zone to 101 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone

    Place Units - Americans
        1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 1 transport placed in 101 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer and 1 submarine placed in 10 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry placed in Western United States

    Turn Complete - Americans
        Americans collect 50 PUs; end with 50 PUs
        Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 60 PUs
        Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 65 PUs
        Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 70 PUs

    Purchase Units - Chinese
        Trigger Chinese Artillery Supplies: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Open
        Chinese buy 3 artilleries; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Chinese
        1 infantry moved from Hunan to Kiangsi
              Chinese take Kiangsi from Japanese
        1 infantry moved from Hunan to Kiangsi

    Combat - Chinese

    Non Combat Move - Chinese
        1 fighter moved from Kweichow to Shensi
        1 fighter moved from Szechwan to Shensi
        2 infantry moved from Suiyuyan to Shensi
        2 infantry moved from Kweichow to Shensi
        2 infantry moved from Yunnan to Szechwan
        1 infantry moved from Szechwan to Shensi
        1 infantry moved from Szechwan to Shensi

    Place Units - Chinese
        1 artillery placed in Szechwan
        2 artilleries placed in Shensi

    Turn Complete - Chinese
        Chinese collect 11 PUs; end with 11 PUs
        Objective Chinese 1 Burma Road: Chinese met a national objective for an additional 6 PUs; end with 17 PUs

    Purchase Units - British
        British buy 1 fighter and 6 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Purchase Units - UK_Pacific
        UK_Pacific buy 2 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - British
        1 destroyer moved from 109 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
        1 cruiser moved from 91 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to 96 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Ethiopia
        1 mech_infantry moved from Egypt to Ethiopia
        1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to 110 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to 97 Sea Zone
        1 tactical_bomber moved from 98 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
        1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 98 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to 110 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Malta to 97 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Scotland to 97 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Alexandria to 98 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 98 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 76 Sea Zone to Ethiopia

    Combat - British
        Battle in 96 Sea Zone
            British attack with 1 cruiser and 1 fighter
            Italians defend with 1 destroyer and 1 transport
                British roll dice for 1 cruiser and 1 fighter in 96 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/0 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 destroyer and 1 transport in 96 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the Italians lost in 96 Sea Zone
                1 transport owned by the Italians lost in 96 Sea Zone
            British win with 1 cruiser and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 15
            Casualties for Italians: 1 destroyer and 1 transport
        Battle in Ethiopia
            British attack with 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
            Italians defend with 1 artillery and 2 infantry
                British roll dice for 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Ethiopia, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Ethiopia, round 2 : 1/0 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Italians and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Ethiopia
                British roll dice for 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Ethiopia, round 3 : 1/0 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Ethiopia, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Italians and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Ethiopia
                British roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Ethiopia, round 4 : 1/1 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 artillery in Ethiopia, round 4 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 artillery owned by the Italians and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Ethiopia
            British win, taking Ethiopia from Italians with 1 artillery and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1
            Casualties for British: 3 infantry
            Casualties for Italians: 1 artillery and 2 infantry
        Battle in 97 Sea Zone
            British attack with 1 bomber, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber
            Italians defend with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 transport
                British roll dice for 1 submarine in 97 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 97 Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/1 hits, 3.17 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 transport in 97 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                1 cruiser owned by the Italians, 1 battleship owned by the Italians and 1 submarine owned by the British lost in 97 Sea Zone
                1 transport owned by the Italians lost in 97 Sea Zone
            British win, taking 97 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 bomber, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 33
            Casualties for British: 1 submarine
            Casualties for Italians: 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 transport
        Battle in 110 Sea Zone
            British attack with 1 destroyer and 2 fighters
            Germans defend with 1 battleship and 1 submarine
                British roll dice for 1 destroyer and 2 fighters in 110 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 110 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 battleship in 110 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the British and 1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in 110 Sea Zone
                British roll dice for 2 fighters in 110 Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/0 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 battleship in 110 Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 battleship owned by the Germans and 1 fighter owned by the British lost in 110 Sea Zone
            British win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
            Casualties for British: 1 destroyer and 1 fighter
            Casualties for Germans: 1 battleship and 1 submarine

    Non Combat Move - British
        1 infantry moved from West India to Eastern Persia
              British take Eastern Persia from Neutral_Allies
        2 infantry moved from Union of South Africa to 71 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 71 Sea Zone to 80 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 80 Sea Zone to Persia
              British take Persia from Neutral_Allies
        1 destroyer moved from 71 Sea Zone to 58 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from India to Syria
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan
        1 infantry moved from Alexandria to Egypt
        1 armour moved from Alexandria to Egypt
        1 bomber moved from 97 Sea Zone to Malta
        1 fighter moved from 96 Sea Zone to Malta
        1 tactical_bomber moved from 97 Sea Zone to Cyprus
        2 infantry moved from India to 39 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 39 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 41 Sea Zone to Sumatra
              UK_Pacific take Sumatra from Dutch
        2 infantry moved from Burma to Shan State
        1 fighter moved from Burma to India
        2 aaGuns, 1 artillery and 4 infantry moved from India to Burma
        1 fighter moved from 110 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
        1 mech_infantry moved from United Kingdom to 109 Sea Zone
        1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 109 Sea Zone to 88 Sea Zone
        1 mech_infantry moved from 88 Sea Zone to Suriname
              British take Suriname from Dutch

    Place Units - British
        1 fighter and 6 infantry placed in United Kingdom

    Turn Complete - British
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 1
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 106 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1,4
        British collect 30 PUs (1 lost to blockades); end with 30 PUs
        Objective British 1 Original: British met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 35 PUs

    Place Units - UK_Pacific
        2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in India
        1 transport placed in 39 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
        UK_Pacific collect 14 PUs; end with 14 PUs
        Units Change Ownership
            Some Units in India change ownership: 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
            Some Units in 39 Sea Zone change ownership: 1 transport

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans : 0.50
British : -0.83
Italians : 0.50

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max334

@max334 If you will allow, pls move my US Cr and Trn from sz91 and put them in sz86 with only an art landing in Brazil. Then move the UK trn from sz88 to sz87, landing the mech in French West Africa.

AndrewAAGamer

@max334 Sorry no. Part of the difficulty of the game is being able to visualize what the board will look like after a Round is completed. I will neither ask for or approve any edits unless they are related to TripleA game mechanic errors.

AndrewAAGamer

@max334 You performed an illegal move during the UK non-combat phase by flying the India fighter and tactical bomber to Syria; overflying Iraq. Per TripleA notes: (PE) You can not fly over unfriendly neutrals, unless they are being attacked or they have previously been attacked. Please correct via Edit and save a new file. The two planes may perform any other legal non-combat move you would like.

max334

@AndrewAAGamer Understood, but it makes for a less than friendly game. I don’t particularly like playing unyielding people, but we will see. I’ll just count this as strike one.

max334

@AndrewAAGamer We can just leave them in India. You can edit or I will on my turn.

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TripleA Move Summary: Germans round 1

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.4

Game History

Round: 1

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 1 artillery, 1 destroyer, 1 marine, 1 submarine and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        1 submarine moved from 124 Sea Zone to 111 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 108 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 117 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 103 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 118 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone
        1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to Normandy Bordeaux
        1 fighter moved from Holland Belgium to 110 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Norway to 111 Sea Zone
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Germany to 110 Sea Zone
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to 111 Sea Zone
        2 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to 110 Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from Western Germany to 110 Sea Zone
        2 bombers moved from Germany to 111 Sea Zone
        2 armour, 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to France
        3 armour moved from Greater Southern Germany to France
        1 artillery, 3 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys moved from Western Germany to France
        2 artilleries and 6 infantry moved from Greater Southern Germany to Yugoslavia
        1 armour moved from Poland to Yugoslavia
        1 armour, 1 fighter and 2 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Yugoslavia
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Poland to Yugoslavia
        1 armour and 1 infantry moved from Romania to Yugoslavia

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max334

Ignore all that below…I’m also rusty on setting up a game

AndrewAAGamer

@max334

Hi Max. I am sorry you feel that way. While I do not agree with your viewpoint I do understand it. I used to play online many years ago at AAMC and this actually was the reason I stopped playing there. Some players like to be loosey-goosey with their moves and ask for many edits. I personally will never ask for an edit. I figure if I make a mistake or forget to do something that is my fault. Why should I ask the other player to remove one of my mistakes? That is not fair to him or her. Since I never ask for an edit and other people did every time I granted one I felt taken advantage of. And when I did not agree to an edit the general response was the same as yours seems to be. I am the bad guy because I will not allow you to make a change that is not my fault; it is yours. Personally I do not think that is fair and I will admit it troubles me greatly. People tell me I am the nicest person they know. So why am I the “unfriendly” one and have a strike against me because I will not let you change something? That bothers me a lot too. I am not being unfriendly; I am just asking we follow the rules and have a level playing field.

While I agree that your request was a minor one as far as overall game play is considered the question is where do we draw the line? Do we allow edits to combat, purchases, within the same Power’s Turn or previous Power’s Turn? Do we allow any change as long as dice are not rolled? Or only before the other person has gone? What is allowed and what is not? Do I allow changes that are minor and do not affect game play, such as yours was, but not if it really affects game play? So I allow a move to be changed that I cannot take advantage of but I refuse an edit for a move that I can take advantage of? How is that fair? Does that not make me a hypocrite? Do I allow edits for people I play with that I like but not for people I do not like. People who are pushy get edits to shut them up where people who are nice about it do not get their edit requests granted? To me, it is important to be consistent and it is very stressful to have to make such emotional decisions.

I want to enjoy the game too without the emotional stress of edit requests. This is why on my original looking for a game post I put in the below. So hopefully what happened before at AAMC will not occur again are at Axis and Allies. I guess I needed to be more specific than what I said in my original post…

Looking for a Global 1940 2nd Edition OOB game. I guess I am tier 3 since this is my first game on this site and need 3 completed games to get a ranking.

Will be using League Rules as defined.

Perhaps this was not specific enough about my disinterest in doing any editing. I guess I need to add more detail as this is only my second game here at Axis and Allies and already I am having to face the emotional stress of “edit requests” again which I certainly do not enjoy and thus the length of my response to try and help you understand my perspective.

I have no interest in forcing you to play a game you will not enjoy. At the same time I want to be able to enjoy it too without any emotional stress. The idea is for both of us to enjoy some fun and competition.
I see three possible options:

If you would like to null this game with neither of us gaining a win or a loss I am fine with that.
Since perhaps you did not understand my desire to not play with edits I will allow this edit request this one time and going forward there will be no further edit requests. I will not ask for a tit for tat edit request down the road.
We come to some agreed edit request rules and clarifications that we both agree with for this one game. If we both agree to the standards ahead of time than we are following agreed upon even rules and perhaps if I make an error I actually will ask for an edit request then.

Please let me know which of the above options you would like to choose or perhaps offer a 4th option.

Thanks! Andrew…

PS. I will say though I value my own integrity by following the rules and being a good citizen I can say at times I wish I could be more like you. I do not like all the stress that comes with following the rules however that is how I was raised and lived my entire life. Following rules and being fair is important to me. I wish I could, at times, let it go as easily as others seem to be able to do that. Take care.

max334

@AndrewAAGamer First, let me say thank you for your reply. I wholeheartedly agree with your position and think it could actually be fun playing you. By that I simply mean that I enjoy playing people that are focused, sincere and thoughtful. Your response reflects all that and more.
Second, let me say that this is a game and only a game. I believe games should be played for fun. They should not create the kind of stress that you have spoken about. I want to have fun and I want you to have fun. Yes league play, the keeping of win/loss tally and all leading to tournament play is stress invoking. And I, like most other players, like to win and I, again like most, play to actually get wins and not just for the fun of moving armies around :).
But let me get off my soap box… I’ve actually been a bad sport on a number of occasions or put in more realistic terms “a soar looser”
Yes, edits are for the benefit of the player making the request and hence to the detriment of the opposing player. So in an intense game were the stakes are high or perceived to be high edits probably should not be allowed.
I know I have much more to say on this matter, but I will hold for now as I want you to get my response ASAP. So for now let me just say that I do hope we can continue our game, but it really really must be under less stressful conditions. Pls consider allowing edits if no dice have been rolled.
Cheers my good friend and its good to know that my initial thoughts of you were wrong.
Thomas

max334

@max334 …I just remembered that in my first few games I used to make edits without even asking. I mean they were just harmless ones that usually happened because I forgot a move or something. Maybe I clicked done before thoroughly checking everything and then later saw the mistake before the opposing player started their turn. That’s the other exception to editing. If your opponent has taken their turn an edit is usually not acceptable.

max334

@max334 … but, since then, I’ve learned to always ask for edits. So now I do, but then when they are not granted, I get upset. So my apologies.

L20 AndrewAAGamer (Axis) vs max334 (Allies +30) Global 1940 2nd Ed OOB

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