Russian kills German Fleet Turn 1?

@dictatorcj

Interesting. Yes the ability to put subs in the med probably greatly increases their utility by precluding the uk from placing a destroyer in the english channel to protect a landing in Morocco, which hopefully bus Italy some time to earn some objective money. I know they only have two, but with such a small economy the NOs increase Italy’s capacity to contribute by quite a bit, proportionally speaking.

@Upside-down_Turtle:

Turn 1 buy for Germany: 1 carrier, 1 transport, 2 tanks, and 2 infantry.  Gives Germany a mobile amphibious attack force that dominates the Baltic.

I agree - that is a good buy.  I usually play with tech, so buy at least 1 less tank than that - a first round tech can be devastating!

Be aggressive as Russia but not too much so, Move all infantry in the east westward because those territories are not very valuable and Japan will just slaughter you if they want to.  build at least one or tow more fighters and a Tech a turn.  You gotta figure that all the units Russia begins the game with are as good as dead already.

In this senario, you are in control.  The Russians support both.  Japan and Italy MUST follow your lead.  You are in the driver’s seat.  The US is somewhat free because Japan will have to bring his ACs and battleships down to defeat India.  Can’t happen until T4 at the earliest.  Probably T5, unless Japan plans on letting China grow out of control.  By that time, USA must be ready to knock on GE’s door hard.  Keep Russian tanks in Cau for a retake if Japan gets lucky.  There are never enough Japanese inf to keep it for long.  Haven’t figured out USA completely, but this is a solid start.  Maybe not Egyptian complex T1, but as soon as possible.  Transport guys in SA to Congo to expedite reinforcements.

A bid is a way for advanced players to even the playing field and determine sides in mutually fair way.  It’s not really necessary for novices, though both versions of AA50 favor Axis.

Returning to Japan 1 discussion… my J1 depends alot on whether its ll or dice.  If it’s dice, I tend to play conservative and target the India fleet and push aggressively on all Chinese targets.  In ll, Japan can perhaps afford to hit Buryatia as well.  I’m not a big fan of the Pearl strike as it seems that Japan has to deploy the cruiser to have overwhelming odds of success, and trading a sub, destroyer and cruiser for the Pearl fleet may not be worth it.  On the other hand, I suppose hitting Pearl is the only sure way to deny USA its NO.

@Veqryn:

What turn and what do you use to destroy the Italian fleet?

There are a couple options:

You build 2 bombers as the UK, and use 3 bombers + 1 fighter to destroy them UK turn 2 (landing in Caucasus if Italy is SeaZone 14, landing in Trans-Jordan if Italy is SeaZone 15).  You should have only 1 bomber left after this attack, but you could easily also have nothing left.  If you try this, you will most likely lose that one bomber to a German attack on G3 on trans-jordan.  The other problem with this is, you only have 7 ipcs left over the first turn, meaning you can’t buy anything, meaning your entire europe theater navy consists of the transport and cruiser you leave at SeaZone 1, which you have to leave there because if you come any closer you will get attacked by a German submarine + fighter + bomber on G2.  Turn 2 you can build more navy, but it really looks bleak since you can not move your first set of troops until either Norway turn 2, or Algeria Turn 3 (which means Germany can get Africa for a few turns anyway).

You build 1 carrier, 1 fighter, 1 transport UK1, and 2-3 bombers UK2.  You can destroy the Italian navy on turn UK3 with 2-4 fighters and 3 bombers.  This would seem far superior at first glance, but there is a major problem.  It really is not that difficult for Italy/Germany to take Egypt on their Turn 2, and then take Trans-Jordan on their Turn 3.  Without both of those, you have no place to land the planes, and without any place to land you can not attack in the first place.

The USA can not launch a solo attack on Italy before their Turn 3.  They can mop up after an partially successful UK attack on US2, but if USA tries to attack on their Turn 3 the run in to the same problem as before: they have no landing zones.  If the USA wants to attack with ships, this is not possible before USA4 (assuming Italian navy is in SZ15).

So…… what the heck are you guys doing to BOTH kill the Italian navy, and Retake Africa before the Axis conquer much.  It seems that if you try to kill the navy quickly you will not have enough ground to retake africa successfully before the Axis kill off Egypt and Transjordan, but if you go for a longer approach the Italian navy stays alive until turn 4, which is much too long and the axis get to control africa anyway. 
Please help.  Ideas anyone?

you have a fault
you shoulmd have battleship and such aswell in UK1
attacking those with germany is suicide
they’ll probably attack sz 12 or the US seazone (2 good looking transports)

Wait a moment, IL, I got confused and thought we were talking about 1941, and this is 1942  :lol: In that case, you could be right, because the setup is different. Not sure there, both z2 and Egypt will be better defended, but I agree in that Egypt is too much risky in 1942

Move all your bombers to England on turn one and buy two tech rolls and go for heavy bombers till you get it.  Then crush them.