Call it what it is!
I dont take offense to the word newbe or beginer, we all were at one time.
I like to use the words “new player”, and we always team them up with the best players at our board, we show them as much as we can and explain why we do certain things and the game isnt the end of the world if you crap out on rolls or make a bad move.
We also tell them why we attack where we do and each player has a different plan of attack,and let them choose what they want to do. Some times we reset pretty early too
Its good when a newly started player gets good dice and they can hammer an old pro
"LOSERS PRIVILEGE"
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“Loser’s Privilege” is an ancient and powerful doctrine, seldom seen or used, but can come up in rare occasions. Legend tells its origins were in Shogun games and the massive battles between Daimyos and Ronin armies amongst castles, the dice flopping hard for one side and the loser flipping the board as the ultimate gesture of defeat. A strange form of board game Seppuku.
The strict legal conditions to justify usage of “Loser’s Privilege” are as follows:
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Loser’s Privilege can only arise after a battle decided by dice in a game involving three or more players, and only the attacker may invoke the right.
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The battle in question must be between overwhelmingly in favor to close to 50/50 for the attacker. Attacks at less than 50% are insufficient prerequisites. Before the battle, any player can demand as a matter of right that the odds of victory be verified by an objective measurement. Best practices recommend usage of battle calculator or a “low-luck” analysis.
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The battle in question must be decisive for the entire game and declared as such by the attacker. This must be acknowledged by everyone at the table either explicitly or implicitly. Best practices recommend the attacker declare the battle to be “for the game,” “decisive” or other such effective language. This declaration must be received and acknowledged by the other players. Again best practices recommend usage of a recording of some sort to verify.
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If any players object to the declaration that the battle in question is decisive, the objection will be sustained and the declaration voided if all other players to the game, excluding the attacker, agree with the objection. Otherwise, the objection is overruled. However, any player who did register an objection that was overruled can “Appeal” the declaration. See below.
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If conditions 1 through 4 above are met, the attacker may then conduct the attack with the option of invoking Loser’s Privilege. To invoke Loser’s Privilege the attacker must lose the battle. Any type of loss is sufficient. However, a victory at a cost greater than expected by the attacker is insufficient to allow the privilege, this includes ties.
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After the battle in question has concluded and the battle was lost by the attacker, but before the invocation of Loser’s Privilege, any player who made an objection that was overruled per step 4 above may Appeal the determination of the objection. The appeal is resolved by a vote of the players over whether the battle in question should be redone using low-luck. If a majority agrees to do so, then the battle shall be redone accordingly. In games with an even number of players, any tie vote will be decided by die roll: result 1-3, then no low-luck reroll; result 4-6, then low-luck reroll. There is no Loser’s Privilege right for any attack done according to low-luck.
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If the attacker loses the battle, all conditions above are met and there was no successful appeal, he then may proceed to invoke Loser’s Privilege by physically destroying the setup of the game as it stands immediately after the battle in question to such an extent so the game can no longer be playable. Best practices recommend the player invoking Loser’s Privileged use his best judgment in destroying the setup necessary to make the game unplayable but not so as to create an inordinate mess that would result in an excessively long cleanup time.
Historical Exception: a player who successfully invokes Loser’s Privilege in a Shogun, Ikusa or any original Milton Bradley Game Masters series game may by right physically flip the board.
- If a player invokes Loser’s Privilege but fails to meet any condition above or fails to acknowledge a successful appeal, then that player must clean up the entire game.
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@Karl7 I agree that this rule is time-honored and of long-standing, and that your “Law of the Flip” meets the traditional parameters.
However, as a practical matter, the person most likely to advocate for a flip is also likely to be the most intoxicated and likely to pass out immediately upon resolution of the game, by concession, flip or otherwise. Thus, those persons least likely to flip are the most likely to clean up; also the last invocation of this rule with our group in 2015 damaged a no longer manufactured Ipod, causing further strife by attempts at settlement stymied by the impossiblity of replacing that device.
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Yeah, agreed, the reality is that “flipping the board” comes from the heat of the moment and can result in chaos and hard feelings through unnecessary destruction.
That is why I think, as a community, we should try to impose the rule of law on such events.
When you see someone swelling up with rage and NO honor at losing and getting ready to flip the board, you say, “Hold on buddy! There’s a law about this! We need to follow procedure!”
Maybe it would work and spare countless minutes of picking up of units from the floor… or maybe even save an otherwise good game via the appeal process.
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@Karl7 The player who last flipped entered into a voluntary consent decree; he should remain our coach, be present at all team events and roll dice on the team’s behalf; with these limits in mind he was indefinitely retired from active play.
Some people can take the stress of being conquered and some can’t. Look at Downfall…if AH could have–he would have flipped the Bunker Board.
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Here is a question: assuming a three player game, the one player team could consistently invoke Loser’s Privilege in the hopes of getting rerolls if he loses knowing that his declaration of “decisive battle” can’t be voided.
I suppose the otherside would catch on after the first attempt at forcing a free reroll and just not appeal the decision on whether the decisive battle is really decisive or not and let the jerk lose. Why would you want to go on playing with that kind of guy anyway?
I suppose we could amend the code so that “a player only once per game can invoke loser’s privilege.” But then I could see someone getting up against make or break battles more than once a game.
Sadly good faith sometimes needs to be relied upon for good gaming, and no rule can totally safeguard against opportunism.
Or I guess we could add: “a declaration of decisive battle by a player cannot be retracted, and if that player loses the battle in question, he loses the game regardless if he invokes Loser’s Privilege, a successful appeal notwithstanding.”
I.e. you can’t cry wolf and then try to claw it back. Once you declare decisive battle, it’s victory or death.
Thoughts?
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@Karl7 @Argothair The first player must file with the Recorder of Rolls the Notice of Odds. If that player filed the Notice of Odds (sub 2), the other Players have up to fifteen (15) minutes after the decisive battle is declared to request that player file a Notice of Decisive Battle (sub 3) with the Recorder of Rolls.
If no Notice of Decisive Battle has been filed, the Contesting Player('s) assertion that the battle is NOT Decisive shall be conclusive. However, if the Notice was timely filed, then a simple majority vote of all players present (whether active in this game, or not) shall determine whether the battle was truly Decisive as contemplated in this Act, or not.
No flips conducted after a determination of non-decisiveness shall be valid. However, before the putative flip-right is manifest, a Notice of Appeal addressed to Magistrate Harris’ court may be filed. After such Notice of Appeal is filed, the Flip-advocate Player must remit supersedeas bond equal to 3 hours of contract cleaning time with the appelate court so that in theory, a full (but otherwise legally unjustified) flip could be cleaned up by hired contractors. Then, the flip may proceed as otherwise laid out in this Act.
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@taamvan Due to cutbacks in the judiciary’s budget, the Loser’s Privilege will be adjudicated by arbitrators from now on. Arbitrators will be selected at random from a panel of the players’ wives and girlfriends, and will spend their customary 30 seconds considering every aspect of the situation before finally and conclusively disposing of all parties’ rights in all matters related to or arising out of the damned game in the damned living room.
Players who are under the mistaken impression that they did not consent to this form of arbitration are advised to consult the TripleA license agreement, paragraph 243.
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@Argothair said in "LOSERS PRIVILEGE":
@taamvan Due to cutbacks in the judiciary’s budget, the Loser’s Privilege will be adjudicated by arbitrators from now on. Arbitrators will be selected at random from a panel of the players’ wives and girlfriends, and will spend their customary 30 seconds considering every aspect of the situation before finally and conclusively disposing of all parties’ rights in all matters related to or arising out of the damned game in the damned living room.
Players who are under the mistaken impression that they did not consent to this form of arbitration are advised to consult the TripleA license agreement, paragraph 243.
Concur!
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@taamvan said in "LOSERS PRIVILEGE":
@Karl7 @Argothair The first player must file with the Recorder of Rolls the Notice of Odds. If that player filed the Notice of Odds (sub 2), the other Players have up to fifteen (15) minutes after the decisive battle is declared to request that player file a Notice of Decisive Battle (sub 3) with the Recorder of Rolls.
If no Notice of Decisive Battle has been filed, the Contesting Player('s) assertion that the battle is NOT Decisive shall be conclusive. However, if the Notice was timely filed, then a simple majority vote of all players present (whether active in this game, or not) shall determine whether the battle was truly Decisive as contemplated in this Act, or not.
No flips conducted after a determination of non-decisiveness shall be valid. However, before the putative flip-right is manifest, a Notice of Appeal addressed to Magistrate Harris’ court may be filed. After such Notice of Appeal is filed, the Flip-advocate Player must remit supersedeas bond equal to 3 hours of contract cleaning time with the appelate court so that in theory, a full (but otherwise legally unjustified) flip could be cleaned up by hired contractors. Then, the flip may proceed as otherwise laid out in this Act.
In this instance I would file for a “Writ of Force Majeure!”
FLIP THAT BOARD!
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After reading such insightful dissertations, as well as the recorded opinions of the persons on record here, I wanted to create an addendum to be included at the end of the declarations.
I have still come to the conclusion that, EVEN IF the burden of proof as listed in these threads is shown to be true, the flip is still ruled to be CRUEL AND UNUSUAL to the victor.That being said, the flipper is subject to any and all punishments meted out by the victor(s).
Including but not limited to the following:- Bitch slap
- Ear punch
- Throat grab
- Roundhouse kick to the head
- Groin strikes
- Rectal stuffing as listed by myself
- Temporary or Permanent Banishment from play group - to be used only if said flipper is not a close friend and an interloper you met on AxisandAllies.org Find Players
- In extreme cases, the flipper may be subject to a series of Lord Curtmungus’s special reprogramming sessions.
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@seancb said in "LOSERS PRIVILEGE":
In extreme cases, the flipper may be subject to a series of Lord Curtmungus’s special reprogramming sessions.
Good night!
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Losers Privilege!?!?!? WTF!?!
Sounds like COWARD’S DEFEAT!
You daintily “flip the board…”
AHahhahaha
If I lose, I pick up the whole table and throw it through the wall into the F#$%ing neighbor’s house!
I call that LOSER’S TRIUMPH!
BOOM!
Rage and honor! :facepunch:
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I think Someone needs to make a video where they play AA and invoke Loser’s Privilege in spectacular fashion.
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