Italy Sneaks Germans In??

There are some extraordinary circumstances when Italy should own it such as when Russia is about to fall, and therefore Italy can make better use of the Ukraine factory (for the Middle East).  But in most games Germany should own it because they need to build infantry and artillery there to attack Russia.

True, my bad! I mixed it up with liberating!  :roll:

A question for research, thanks for your participation.

1  Buy infantry/rt round 1,
Kill france with all available ground, try to keep tanks and mechs
Kill 106, 110, and 111 (maybe try to bb strafe 111) might be forced to land some stuff in holland if u did not take the berlin tac as a casualty.
Take out yugo with enough to 1 shot it or try to strafe it for italy.
  Take bulg and finland while stacking slovakia with everything from berlin and from poland
  Land hungarian/poland air in south italy
  Stack 112 if you can do it safely otherwise, go for 113, drop denmark garrison in norway

2  Buy at least 1 dd and 1 sub to handle the russian sub and the NO then either more slow, or mech/tank
Kill 97 if uk has stuff there, or other med navy
Kill surviving UK navy if you can
Kill Normandy unless u want italy to have
  Land in alex if italy stacks there
  Send tanks and mechs from france to yugo
  Put every ground unit in range on to Romania
  Berlin units to poland
  Norway units to finland

3  Buy all fast (maybe a replacement plane or some boats aswell) preferably mech heavy
Declare on Russia
Stack bess heavy
Kill poland and baltic if you can do it cheaply
Kill karelia and vyborg, if high novgorod garrison, go to karelia light untill he moves out
If russia pulled back out of novgorod and belarus, u might be able to stack poland/karelia heavy
Kill russian sub if it sits in 125, have your sub in 125 to cancel NO
So if you can stack both bess and epl safely, then thats good, just stay focused on bess.
  Non-com berlin fast to epl or Romania
  Check on how much air you need to help italy
  Make sure italy is getting some units to follow your army to can-open for you.

4  Buy more fast, maybe some slow to help garrison western europe if you have to.
Kill west Ukraine
Stack Ukraine heavy!!
Kill bela and novgorod if possible
Try to have italians in range of can-opening rostov
  Shuffle more fast units east
  Use navy/air accordingly
  keep sending italian fast units to russia, 3 or 4 tanks/mechs would be nice to have with the germans.

5 and Beyond
Have italy can-open rostov so germany can fight for volg and cauc, stack bryansk of possible, keep russians in moscow.  Eventually, you will have russia stuck while you have moscow surrounded on at least 3 sides.  With germany making around 80, you can start pressuring persia while japan is pressuring india, eventually, India or Persia will fall.  The longer you can keep italy going the better.  Try to invest in destroyers if you can with scramble ready in south ita, this makes italian navy hard to hit.  Make sure, you hold west germany, and berlin at all costs, watch out for the denmark opener followed by UK berlin attack. Fast units in west germany with slow in france can help counter a normandy stack.

If the allies are heavy in the atlantic, then you will need japan to kill india asap and maybe pressure russia.  If allies are all pac, then that is more you can spend on russia.

Gibraltor is the best landing spot when then can enter the war.  From this spot, they can land just about anywhere they want.

UK
Normandy
Southern France
Northern Italy
Southern Italy
Denmark
Western Germany (If UK can take Denmark ahead of them and hold it)
Norway

With the Naval Base damaged, they can only reach Normandy or Southern France.

Remember, “If you defend everywhere, you defend no where.”

Bombing the Naval Base takes pressure off of the Axis.  Germany will gain another turn not worrying if the US is going to attack Italy or land in UK or Norway or where ever.  They can concentrate on Normandy and Southern France.  Or let Italy defend Southern France and Germany Normandy.

I find it very interesting and will make plans to use this.

Doc

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=24022.0

Here you go.  See if you can tweak your idea in case your opponent does a full out London defense.

Cheers

Italy should never have an easy early game.  They can do well in the mid game if Germ went Sealion and captured London.  Italy should never take Gib I1.  It is in UK’s interest to use those french ships as blockers, and the only way to do that is to block the sz off Tunisia with a UK ship.  Now Italy can not go west, and the capture of Gib is the easiest way for Italy to control the Med.

My opponent uses his UK fleet units in the Med to slow Italy and force them to be more methodical.  He completely hems in the Italian fleet, putting 1 blocker in sz’s 94,96,99.  He has even put a CV alone or with 1 ftr to try and force Italy to attack that sz instead.  What this does is give UK 2 turns to mess with Italian NO’s, if they can eek out another turn then USA will join the war and take over the role of squashing the Italians.

On the Mideast NO’s, I think its a horrible idea to have them as allied NO’s.  Considering that in my games 10% of the time Iraq/persia are held by the axis, 10% of the time they are un-captured….80% of the time UK takes Persia UK2, then attacks Iraq UK3 and the Axis never even wander close by.  These ipcs are already UKs, why give them extra per round as an incentive to capture that area?

This makes sense for France - UK/USA liberates, then France Collects, then Germany recaptures.

England is a different manner.  If USA liberates, Germany goes before UK collects.  If they wait till the next turn, USA can land planes.  Of course Germany can land in Scotland (if they’re boats are safe there) and send a double wave in after America reinforces.  Me, I found it hard (post Sea Lion) for Germany to divert any more resources away from th Russian front - including enough to hold USA out of England.

What to do with those Germans?