[Global 1940] Reasons for a cruiser.

@SS-GEN Thanks for crunching the numbers and for feedback. We are going to play a game and test it in two weeks. Just don’t have time to do it before that. I appreciate the thought about not giving the LCT the ability to move a transport with it +1. I’ll probably change that and just allow the LCT to carry 2 elites. The +1 to transports was the one rule I didn’t like (LOL) but we were trying to create a mechanic for smaller, faster groups of ships to forage outward and do some damage.

I read that heavier cruisers made longer runs without capital ships but leading groups of destroyers in the Pacific theater. The could be bullies in battles where they were the biggest ship, but if they came up against a battleship they didn’t fare as well. That is the thinking behind giving a +1 on attack and defense to the HC when engaging enemy ships where no battleship is against them. As a player I’d buy them and send them out with transports to conquer.

We also have a light carrier that we give 3 movements to so they can bring one fighter on the voyage with these cruiser/destroyer groups. I read that light carriers were faster than escort carriers and had the ability to participate in fleet operations with better range whereas the slower escort carriers protected convoys or joined up to lend support to amphibious landings.

@SS-GEN said in [Global 1940] Reasons for a cruiser.:

As far as Shore shots every round that is over kill. Shore shots weren’t that accurate but your game your call.

We’ll play test it and make the change if it is too much.

@SS-GEN @barney Any thoughts on the house rule incentives for going after islands. We are trying one time bonuses instead of island groups having IPC values. Bonuses may be a little high after adding in units with the IPC bonus.

@Guam-Solo Ya I was going to respond to your island bonuses too but you beat me to it. I was gonna crunch them numbers too. Looks like Japan can get a good jump on them. But Japan needs to activate there home owned islands before they get the money for them at start of game ?
All these ideas can force you to make setup changes and or tweaks to islands.

Do you receive island territory value money too ?
You need to include the Solomon and New G islands. Need to give Anzac a bonus or 2.
No Bonuses for Dutch islands ?
Mine and barneys island Pacific tests is posted above in this topic thread. Scroll backup.

@Guam-Solo said in [Global 1940] Reasons for a cruiser.:

@SS-GEN said in [Global 1940] Reasons for a cruiser.:

As far as Shore shots every round that is over kill. Shore shots weren’t that accurate but your game your call.

We’ll play test it and make the change if it is too much.

Another way is in my game I do have destroyers getting a shore shot.
D12 First round only
BB 4 33%
CR 3 25%
DD 2 16%
D6
BB 3 50%
CR 2 33%
DD 1 16%

Watch out ! Baron’s back and lurking !

There can only be three maximum types of cruisers
Battlecruiser 3-3-3-(2 hits) cost 15
Heavy Cruiser (CA)( OOB specs, but move 3 always or 4 from port)
Light Cruiser (CL) 3-2-3- cost 9?

But the problem is were dealing with d6 system, limited needs to be d12 to make this feasible

I’ll be back with some numbers.

H. Cruiser way to strong for 2 hits for the cost.
Best for cost
BB C20. A5 D5. Way over priced part of proble
HC C12. A4 D4
CR C11. A3 D3
LC. C10. A2 D2

@SS-GEN Why buy a light cruiser if it attacks/defends at 2? Just buy a destroyer. Unless LC has some special feature… SS-GEN you state earlier in this thread that you add other features to your cruiser to offset the lower attack and defense @2?

LC moves 3.
All 3 cruisers m3
Use LC as a transporter

Cruiser A2 D2 M3 C12 SH2 carry 2 elites
Can take a hit towards a plane or ship you mean ?

@SS-GEN Yes - that is what I was thinking. Otherwise it is just a more expensive destroyer (with no anti-sub capabilities).

@SS-GEN said in [Global 1940] Reasons for a cruiser.:

Cruiser A2 D2 M3 C12 SH2 carry 2 elites
Can take a hit towards a plane or ship you mean ?

This here is just for having 1 cruiser only in game.

@SS-GEN said in [Global 1940] Reasons for a cruiser.:

Watch out ! Baron’s back and lurking !

No kidding !!!
Somehow, YG provided the mechanic to solve the Cruiser and Battleship issues with other warships.

Simply give 12 IPCs Cruiser two dice @3 for attack or defense and 2 hits 20 IPCs Battleship two dice @4.
That way, their firepower will be emphasized over Destroyer or Subs.

Nothing else to change, except considering the opening setup which was not built for real gunboats.
In that case, round 1 can be an exception. Assuming full power at the beginning of second round.

@baron-Münchhausen Do both dice count as hits, or are you taking the best roll of the two dice for one hit?

@Guam-Solo said in [Global 1940] Reasons for a cruiser.:

@baron-Münchhausen Do both dice count as hits, or are you taking the best roll of the two dice for one hit?

Both dice will count in that case.
Making it possible that 2 DDs attacking 1 Cruiser, every ships can sink in a single combat round.

@Guam-Solo said in [Global 1940] Reasons for a cruiser.:

@SS-GEN @barney Any thoughts on the house rule incentives for going after islands. We are trying one time bonuses instead of island groups having IPC values. Bonuses may be a little high after adding in units with the IPC bonus.

Hi Guam

Looks like you guys are having fun : ) Cool idea adding units when you take something over. It does seem like a lot to keep track of. Do you get the inf and the airfield and naval gun or just your choice of one ?

I don’t see how there wouldn’t already be a AF on 2nd conquest if you get one the first time. Anyway, seems like a lot of fun. : ) Would think it would make for more battle for sure.

Airfields look way cool. Think Argo is doing something similar in his, Anniversary mod ? Can’t remember.

Not my idea but, I use the “make all valueless Pacific Islands worth a buck” thing. Found that still didn’t seem to do enough to promote battle, so gave an extra 2 bucks when they got conquered. That seemed to help. Also gave the “Big 4” Java, Borneo etc… the 2 buck bonus but only starting rd 4 I think it is, so as to still keep them as a prime target.

Anyway it seems to encourage some more action and some Islands are just naturally strategic anyway.

Let us know how your games go.

@baron-Münchhausen said in [Global 1940] Reasons for a cruiser.:

@SS-GEN said in [Global 1940] Reasons for a cruiser.:

Watch out ! Baron’s back and lurking !

No kidding !!!
Somehow, YG provided the mechanic to solve the Cruiser and Battleship issues with other warships.

Simply give 12 IPCs Cruiser two dice @3 for attack or defense and 2 hits 20 IPCs Battleship two dice @4.
That way, their firepower will be emphasized over Destroyer or Subs.

Nothing else to change, except considering the opening setup which was not built for real gunboats.
In that case, round 1 can be an exception. Assuming full power at the beginning of second round.
You saying 2 hits for cruiser or battleship only in your wording ?
Is the 2 dice for first round only ?
Is the 2 dice with fleets with planes only ?
Battleships shouldn’t get to take a hit on a plane if 2 dice are representing AA gun.
I can see giving Cruiser 2 dice but first round only.

I am testing my cruiser at d12
A4 D4 M3 C10 SH3 can take a hit towards a plane or ship for every round of combat

@baron-Münchhausen Wow, that does change it - and certainly distinguishes the battleships and cruisers from destroyers/subs. Have you been in a game with this rule? I would think that buying 2 cruisers is better than 1 battleship (4 rolls vs. 2)? Did YG also lower the cost of battleships to adjust for this?