My trouble with dice - and are casino dice the answer?


  • @taamvan This is somewhat negated in tournaments where the rule is that you must allow your opponents to use your dice.


  • @smo63 What do you think about updating the tournament rules to ban custom painted dice and dice with stickers on them?

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    Some people have a ‘big bag o dice’ which contain all sorts of creatures and oddities. I wouldn’t want to roll from their pile of dice of varied sizes, colors, vintages, makers. In the last 15 years, there have been a profusion of dice that have fancy numbers or just weird symbols, and some people mix all that in to their pile.

    I feel like it is easier just to drop the $9 and get a set of Chessex die for every player. I buy them just because I’m out of gaming junk to buy and I want to support the stores we play at. I don’t know if they are concerned about randomness in their production (how could they with that cool swirly plastic?) they look great, and they’re all about the same. There are two sizes of d6, one for Warhammer and the other for RP/Wargaming. Other people want to play with a collection of dice–I want people to use SETS of dice.

    I would agree to such a ban, DJ, or a rule that all should bring a similar set. I don’t feel that dice cheating is a big problem in the tournament. My general rule is that with a certain amount of attention and vigilance by all players, most cheating (and slopping, also) can be deterred because it is much much harder to do when you play against people like me, who have extensive experience with cheaters (not in AxA or one venue but over a whole lifetime) and actually watch the other players roll.


  • I ordered a yellow set of casino precision dice and they just arrived. They look beautiful, just like the red and blue dice. Deep color. However these yellow dice are a bit on the orange side, only slightly. Doesn’t bother me, but it’s more of a deep amber yellow than it is a lemonade yellow.

    Only colors I have yet to get are the green and purple dice. I’ll probably get a set of each of those soon because I gotta say these casino dice are working out really well, and I like rolling big rolls!


  • @djensen Unfortunately at the end of the day, regardless of how cryptic the program is, no computer can properly simulate RNG, you will always find a pattern eventually. Nothing beats the chaos humans bring with dice rolls and even then you can still cheat the dice if you know how to throw.


  • @Caesar-Seriona said in My trouble with dice - and are casino dice the answer?:

    @djensen Unfortunately at the end of the day, regardless of how cryptic the program is, no computer can properly simulate RNG, you will always find a pattern eventually. Nothing beats the chaos humans bring with dice rolls and even then you can still cheat the dice if you know how to throw.

    Random number generators are referred to as pseudorandom number generators for this reason. However, you can have cryptographically secure pseudorandom number generator that can make it any where from very difficult to impossible to predict. Entropy from the computer system is introduced to seed the pseudorandom numbers.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptographically_secure_pseudorandom_number_generator

    However, it turns out if you use something truly random in nature you can have truly random computer generated numbers. Weather is a good source and random.org provides a service for this… https://www.random.org/randomness/

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    @djensen I think that most of the time people claim that any given system “isn’t random” or some other similar complaint is because they do not like the capricious outcomes that true luck creates. So its not really a “it isnt truly random” argument, its a “this isn’t truly fair” (for my entire party to die in darkest dungeon or for the hab module in my otherwise perfectly maintained ship to blow up because you rolled snake eyes).

    We can all produce the outcomes we want–just reload the game until you get what you want!


  • Yeah but again, you cannot have perfect chaos with computer RNG regardless of how complex the program gets. Science even says that the day we have AI that has human intelligence, it still will not have the ability to do RNG since it requires logic where a human can violate logic logically. However for the sake of an Axis and Allies game, most RNG programs will get you buy just fine. I personally would rather use dice throws even if I get ass roles since I find it not using dice violates the spirit of the game.

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    Looks like Dice+ was the answer but they’re out of business now. Such a cool idea though. Imagine playing TripleA or AAO with “real” dice.

    https://www.theverge.com/2012/6/8/3072284/dice-plus-digital-die-ios-android


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