2nd Edition Classic A&A Dizz (Allies) vs Aces (Axis) game 1 -- no bid

TripleA Turn Summary: British round 12

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Classic, version: 2.0

Game History

Round: 12

    Purchase Units - British
        British buy 2 armour and 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - British
        3 infantry moved from Karelia S.S.R. to Caucasus
        1 infantry moved from Congo to Kenya-Rhodesia
              British take Kenya-Rhodesia from Japanese
        1 infantry moved from Libya to Anglo Sudan Egypt
              British take Anglo Sudan Egypt from Japanese

    Combat - British
        Battle in Caucasus
            British attack with 3 infantry
            Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                British roll dice for 3 infantry in Caucasus, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Caucasus, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the British lost in Caucasus
                British roll dice for 2 infantry in Caucasus, round 3 : 1/2 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Caucasus, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Caucasus
            British win, taking Caucasus from Japanese with 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for British: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - British
        7 infantry moved from French Equatorial Africa to Anglo Sudan Egypt
        1 armour moved from French Equatorial Africa to Anglo Sudan Egypt
        2 armour moved from Algeria to Anglo Sudan Egypt
        2 infantry moved from Algeria to French Equatorial Africa
        4 transports moved from West Spain Sea Zone to North Sea Zone
        3 armour and 1 infantry moved from United Kingdom to North Sea Zone
        3 armour, 1 infantry and 4 transports moved from North Sea Zone to West Spain Sea Zone
        3 armour and 1 infantry moved from West Spain Sea Zone to Algeria

    Place Units - British
        2 armour and 3 infantry placed in United Kingdom

    Turn Complete - British
        British collect 25 PUs; end with 25 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

British : 0.17
Japanese : 0.33

Savegame

Sure, that sounds fun. I think there were a lot of low odds events in that game, but I have never been a believer in SBR’s other than if there is a defined plan (short term because a capital attack is inevitable), mainly because when you do the math it is hard to show them paying off. But that’s just my opinion, others have different ones.

I don’t want to lose a bomber on an SBR for a measely 3.5 ipc average gain. Now, if it’s a heavy bomber, that’s different. :)

With Russia Restricted, it is closer to even than the non RR rules (I would usually take a bid of 9 for Axis, and even 8 and 6 are possible). I play a pretty nonconventional strat as Allies so it will be fun.

I would even be willing to play a pair of games (one with each side) if you would like – would you be willing to play with a bid of 2 or 3 infantry in Libya in each game? That really evens it up. I know that you are focused on the actual OOB game, but that works much better from a competitive standpoint.

The other thing that works better is 3rd edition, which has 2 hit BB’s and stuff, but we don’t have to go that far if you don’t want. ;)

@AcesWild5049 said in 2nd Edition Classic A&A Dizz (Allies) vs Aces (Axis) game 1 -- no bid:

@DizzKneeLand33

About the SBRs, thats interesting. The math is fairly straight forward. Out of six raids, you lose one bomber at 15 IPC. Throwing 5 dice from the survivors should then net 16 or 17 IPCs destroyed. Otherwise, yes, the shape of the “bell” of this bell curve is fairly pronounced and can swing either way very, very easily…

I believe this was a contributing factor to the axis loss. If it had gone the other way and the initial bombers had been able to pull off more than “0” and “1” raids before being destroyed, I’m not sure the outcome would have been so certain. This is, of course, in my experience.

And of course there is more than one way to “skin” the proverbial Allied “cat.”

I also find it encouraging that you feel the bid is so much lower with Russia restricted. I wonder what you think the bid should be with the Axis technology boost added in?

The bell curve is interesting, and, yes, you may net one or two extra IPC’s. But, what is lost in that is the opportunity cost. Not only the opportunity of the bomber doing something more productive, but the fact that a lost bomber means less threat projection across the board. When you lost the German bomber, that meant that the Allied fleet could split up at will. With the German bomber there, this was not possible (especially early on). The German bomber may just be the most precious piece on the starting board, use it wisely. ;)

I’m not sure about Axis Advantage with regard to bid. I will say that my best experience was 3rd edition RR games using Utah rules (no tech rolling until turn 4). Axis wins with 84 ipcs, Allies with 110.

Axis Advantage would lessen the bid, but then it’s hard to tell in a tech game – Axis have already thrown out the worst tech result for Japan (Subs). With no tech it was called “Anzio” online and I think that the bids may have been around 3 to 6 for that (but was that what the best players would bid? not sure, I was never that good at Anzio).

Tech (the threat thereof) allows the Axis to play out of a slightly inferior position. Most good Axis players will have to tech at some point against good Allied play.

Losing the German bomber is why I never hit the Lab trannie turn one unless it is with two pieces. You attacked it with a fighter, which was slightly worse odds. The lab trannie always hits, no matter what. :P

Sure that sounds cool to me – I look forward to it!

I remember reading those essays in, it seems like, the mid 90’s? Once you get yours all done I’ll watch some more, I think I’ve seen the first 3 so far. :)