Axis and Allies Revised Varient ( historical edition) Phase one proposal (draft)


  • Unlimited non-combat air move
    No I don’t think we should have that. Unlimited is bad.
    Just give them LRA ranges but in non-combat move only.
    Weaken LRA slightly but LRA has been given fighter escort anyway. Of course LRA has longer range in combat move also.

    @Imperious:

    If a turn is 3-6 months and it takes one day to fly over germany from uk
    and drop bombs, then i dont see how a plane could not “get” to any other controlled territory during the
    time of ONE turn.

    I don’t like that arguement. 3-6 months…the same can be said for tanks really. But letting them travel
    from China to Europe would be a huge change.
    By the way I don’t think its 3-6months per turn but round?

    National Unit

    I feel each nation should have two things that are cheaper not just one.

    For Russia it seems necessary now.

    Russia: Roll d6 for number of 2 IPC infantries. Roll d6 for number of 4 IPC tanks.

    Germany: 6 IPC submarines

    Japan: Cheap fighters sounds good. Those paper thin Zeros that are so agile.

    UK: Cheap fighters also realistic here. Don’t mind the old destroyers rule either.

    US: Lets do the Essex CV then, 13 IPC, one hit. Otherwise for the expensive (I think 10 better not 14 IPC) Liberty Transport let them “1 land unit + 2 infantry” instead of “1 land unit +  1 infantry”?


  • We kept getting sidetracked into new ideas…
    Lets focus on finalising phase1.

    Is this correct?

    Our Plan:
    Phase1: Income, Production, National Units, Team Victory Condition, Non-combat Game Sequence
    Phase2: Technology, National Advantage, Units, National Victory Condition
    Phase3: Land combat, Naval combat


  • I have added, Neutrals and Italy to Phase 2. And SBR rules with escorts etc to phase 3.

    Phase1: Income, Production, National Units, Team Victory Condition, Non-combat Game Sequence
    Phase2: Technology, National Advantage, Units, National Victory Condition, Italy 6th player, Neutrals
    Phase3: Land combat, Naval combat, New SBR rules

    For Phase 1 National units I also like to see 2 advantages for each nation.

    Russia;  Roll d6 for each 2 IPC infantries and Roll d6 for each 4 IPC tanks
    Germany; 6 IPC SUBS, and also roll d6 for each 2 IPC infantries
    UK: 8 IPC fighters and 18 IPC battleships
    JAP; 8 IPC figthers and battleships attack and defend on a 5
    US; Extra ccapacityon Liberty ships: Always 2 infantry + 1 other land unit. and CA for 13 each (still 2 hits)


  • @Micoom:

    SBR rules with escorts etc to phase 3.

    Actually we last decided not to make players use their fighter pieces for SBR.
    We went for implicit model.
    We made LRA (Long Range Aircraft) technology includes esort fighters. You may choose to loose 10 IPC instead of the bomber.


  • I have added, Neutrals and Italy to Phase 2. And SBR rules with escorts etc to phase 3.

    Phase1: Income, Production, National Units, Team Victory Condition, Non-combat Game Sequence
    Phase2: Technology, National Advantage, Units, National Victory Condition, Italy 6th player, Neutrals
    Phase3: Land combat, Naval combat, New SBR rules

    For Phase 1 National units I also like to see 2 advantages for each nation.

    Russia;  Roll d6 for each 2 IPC infantries and Roll d6 for each 4 IPC tanks
    Germany; 6 IPC SUBS, and also roll d6 for each 2 IPC infantries
    UK: 8 IPC fighters and 18 IPC battleships
    JAP; 8 IPC figthers and battleships attack and defend on a 5
    US; Extra ccapacityon Liberty ships: Always 2 infantry + 1 other land unit. and CA for 13 each (still 2 hits)

    yes i support this plan… 2 advantages per nation the outlined plan fore each phase is good as well…


  • you’ll never be able to justify 2 units for each nation… it’s hard enough justifying 1 for UK and Japan. we can balance out 1 unit per nation but you’ll never balance 10 total types of units. i vote for 1 unit type per nation.


  • OK then can the 2 unit idea go into optional rules?


  • the 1 unit per nation idea is in the optional rules. There has been a lot of confusion over what the phase 1 rules are so I think I’ll create a new topic concerning what I think they are up to now and then we can all be on the same page.


  • Ok fine make it so… but what is the final units?

    Liberty ships or DD? for usa

    Destroyers or BB? for uk


  • the debate was never settled. i said why i didn’t think it should be liberty ships are no one rebuted. i never thought US DD’s were on the table, it was Essex CVs (cheap because rushed into production and fast) that I thought had the lead spot.

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