Global 1940 Italy before UK?


  • Before France fell, UK did sit on their A$$. they had no idea what was going on. Its like having Russia play before Germany and attacking her in 1939. Its the same rule that they out on them… they cant attack unless they are attacked or until latter. You just do the same with Italy


  • Italy should be Neutral on UK’s turn 1. It gives Italy some punch now in game. Other wise as simon stated you then would have to probably change setup a bit if Italy went before UK.

    Why ask ? Just to see if anybody has tried it ? As I always say play test it.

    Try a test game with Russia going before Germany and UK cannot attack neutral Italy only on turn 1. But Italy can attack UK on turn 1.


  • So lets test this in my mind. Italy is neutral to UK on turn 1 so Italian colonies are in better shape, Ethiopia can protect it self and if it wants, break UK’s NO easier. Italian Marina can link up and reinforce Africa or even crazier, can pull units out of it. I think the biggest advantage is that it can allow Italy to invade Syria which means that Iraq is basically going to convert to Italy. This will allow the “Roman Empire” NO be easier for Italy to get as it can go after the three corners unopposed.


  • @Caesar:

    So lets test this in my mind. Italy is neutral to UK on turn 1 so Italian colonies are in better shape, Ethiopia can protect it self and if it wants, break UK’s NO easier. Italian Marina can link up and reinforce Africa or even crazier, can pull units out of it. I think the biggest advantage is that it can allow Italy to invade Syria which means that Iraq is basically going to convert to Italy. This will allow the “Roman Empire” NO be easier for Italy to get as it can go after the three corners unopposed.

    What no pics ?


  • And with that AAE40 will have no bid or a very small one

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    With Italy starting neutral you would still need setup changes. In particular you would at least need to remove the sz96 transport.

    What’s this talk about these changes reducing the bid? They would increase it!  :?


  • I think the whole point of having Italy before UK is so that Italy will have full access to their navy.


  • @Caesar:

    you should add a rule that UK can declare war of Italy but suffers some kind of backlash for it.

    I think you are on to something. In fact every player, except USA, should be free to declare war on any enemy or neutral, but if they do they will suffer a backlash. USA did not have this freedom of DOW because they had the Congress, but every other nation could. The only ting that prevented them from making favorable DOW,s were fear of suffering backlashes. In fact every nation that unprovocely attacked innocent neighbours did in fact get banned and blocked from the international trade. When Benito attacked France, then Italy was denied American oil the next day, forcing Germany to share the Romanian oil, which led to all Italian battleships staying in port for the rest of the war. Same with UK, they wanted to attack neutral Norway and Sweden to cut of the iron ore trade, but did not dare that because USA warned that in that case they would be banned from trade, so they had to wait and let Adolf do the first move.

    I suggest that the German 5 IPC trade NO can be used on every playing nation. Every player start with a 5 IPC international trade NO. If you make an unprovoced attack on any neutral or enemy not yet at war power, then you lose that 5 IPC NO. But if you are the victim then you keep it. Now UK must decide if an unprovoced Taranto raid is favorable, or is it better to let Italy make the first move. I think this is in the spirit of A&A, and all the silly special rules we have seen the last years are not. Tanks you for listening, man


  • Since G40 “tries” to favor history in their NO and actions of war, UK understood at some point they would end up at war with Italy due to Italian alliance with Germany which Germany is a belligerent against UK so I’d try to work something along those lines.


  • @caesar-seriona Historically Mussolini declares war when there is no doubt Paris is going to fall to Germany.In a G40 game Germany often combat moves through N.Italy and NCM air units to S.Italy,both of which require Italy to be not neutral.
    So to keep Italy neutral until UKs turn Germany would need to retreat from Paris{leave it for Italy to take perhaps}and NOT enter Italian territory G1.

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