• @simon33:

    I agree with that but I’m not clear how the allies turn that to their advantage? Many players feel that Germany heading south is optimal anyway. This just gives them an extra IC when they do so.

    Is the optimal German Barbarossa putting them in Rostov G5, Caucus G6, assuming they went south instead of straight to Moscow?

    So a Germany could make Iraq on G8 if they couldn’t blitz through faster, meaning U.S. gets 1 or 2 turns of builds plus any planes of their own or UK reinforcements that were spared.
    If Italy helps, they can make it quicker, though probably only G7, I presume.

    Which to me means, if I’m Axis, all 3 countries would need to hit Moscow on round 5 or 6 before that factory (and whatever else UK was doing) utterly ended by attempts at dismantling Russia.


  • US into Iraq just seems foolish to me when Korea and Norway are more primed targets for US landings against direct Axis attacks. Iraq in my opinion is better suited for USSR and then UK, and everyone else on the third tier.

  • '19 '17 '16

    @weddingsinger:

    Is the optimal German Barbarossa putting them in Rostov G5, Caucus G6, assuming they went south instead of straight to Moscow?

    It could be indeed be optimal to go to Rostov G5. If you do that, Italy should be able to take Caucasus then have mobile units on NW Persia G6, preventing any blockers from being used. Still has one round of US units being produced.

    Actually, without Rostov G5 and a blocker being put down, you could get two rounds of units out of the factory, which is going close to viability.


  • Don’t forget that Japan could hit Persia/Iraq on J5 pretty easily, though not necessarily with a large force.  Last game I did that, sending a carrier, cruiser, and a transport once there was a relatively weak U.S. response in the Pacific.


  • Japan in Middle East or Eastern Africa is easy to do since most of the UK Pacific Fleet gets moved to stop Italy.

  • 2020 '19 '18 '17 '16 '15 '14 '12

    Ah, the dream!  USA in the Middle East!

    Basically the first thing you see once you read major mics are only allowed on original terr.

    Frankly I agree with Simon33.  Wild waste of time and money to try to shuck 1 trn from Hawaii all the way to Persia, then build a mic, then build out of the mic, then take Iraq…. Ho Lee… that’s got to be like round 6 by then!

    Give it to UK.  They know what to do.

  • 2020 '19 '18 '17 '16

    Hurrah!

  • '17

    @Karl7:

    Ah, the dream!  USA in the Middle East!

    Basically the first thing you see once you read major mics are only allowed on original terr.

    Frankly I agree with Simon33.  Wild waste of time and money to try to shuck 1 trn from Hawaii all the way to Persia, then build a mic, then build out of the mic, then take Iraq…. Ho Lee… that’s got to be like round 6 by then!

    Give it to UK.  They know what to do.

    Yeah! US getting Iraq on round 6 is definitely way too late! I think all agree with that. What if the US got Iraq on round (1st round units are placed would be turn6)?

    Do you think that’s still late to make a difference? I’ve only experienced this one game before. It never occurred to me that the US could get Iraq on turn 4 if Japan did a J1 DOW. I had no idea what my opponent was up to until I saw the US tank in French Equatorial Africa and the UK still hadn’t taken Iraq. He was setting up for landings while he gave Iraq to the US on turn 4. So I barely had enough punch to stay on Bryansk. Japan was his problem in the game. UK/US got pretty strong in the middle east to where the US could shift more spending to the Pacific.


  • We already went into iraq. It didnt turn out too well.


  • @DessertFox599:

    We already went into iraq. It didnt turn out too well.

    If you paid attention to the last ten years, you’d know that’s a lie.

  • '19 '17 '16

    Huh? You’re talking about the real world? Let’s not get off topic.


  • Right Simon, or before we know it, the word “Iraq” is going to become censored in the A&A community because of modern politics.

    I remember last year when I was playing Battlefield 1942, a player got kicked for having the word “Syria” in his name.  Sheesh.  😞 😮 And to think politics used to be a topic friends enjoyed arguing about in years past.

  • '17

    I lost to Simon 33. Great G40 player; master of the mobile defense.

    Round 10, Moscow and India still not permanently captured…but he’s about to get them both within 2 rounds and the middle east is about to be captured on Round 11. I made a fatal mistake of stacking the Caucasus 1 round too early (round 9 I think). My combined Allied force got slaughtered and it was too late to stop his German horde. I really had no need to do that as I think Moscow had a ton of units to defend with for several more rounds. And more allied fighters could have came in support. Even if I had not stacked Caucasus, he was still on track to win the game.

    I made my fair share of blunders in our game. My jury is still out for the US getting Iraq (only in a J1 DOW game) is a plausible strategy. This game, the one played against me, and another pbem game I’ve got going are the only 3 games that I’ve seen this strategy. And 2 / 3 of them are me playing allies. I suck at allies worse than the axis side.

    Key Takeaways:

    1. Need a better allies player than me! (main issue)
    2. Send a stack of planes through sub-Sahara Africa to beef up the US factory which is late to the game; and then maybe trickle over 1 or 2 fighters every other turn if you can afford it.

    3. Don’t come at Simon across the Atlantic with a fleet that’s not beefed up enough!

  • '19 '17 '16

    I think Moscow will probably live on for a while after the bulk of my German force is running down to the mid east, but Calcutta is toast and so is China. Japan will be able to out build USA with all that income, so unless ANZAC can chip away Japan is winning. Just that Germany will probably win first because USSR’s income is nerfed and the stack of troops will be equalled soon enough. Egypt poses only a few problems with soon to be 2 factories in the mid east.

    Bottom line is that playing against the strategy doesn’t really change my view of it. It is an interesting route to air reinforce India via sub Saharan Africa around US5, if that is in time.


  • Maybe we’re better off with ANZAC into the Middle East.
    :mrgreen:


  • That is more viable anyway- let ANZAC have a UK transport to activate Persia.

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