Clarification on AA gun



  • @triforce:

    Ok, I conciede my opinion.  I recant.  I’m an AA Heritic :lol:.  It must be due to the fact that I have played relitivly few games compared to some of you.  For the record (and here is another can o’ worms) I don’t like SBR’s either.  They don’t seem worth it to me.

    It depends on the situation.

    For example, as Japan I LIKE SBR’s in a KRF game during the earlier moves.  Japan’s FIGs provide more than enough offensive airpower for the land strikes, and USA has a tendancy to pull back in the Pacific during a KGF, so that leaves my bomber either being over-kill for land battles or unused.  So I use it for SBR’s on RUssia to help keep RUssia’s force count down until Japan can get there.  This helps Germany a lot, and makes Japan’s job of getting to Russia easier, since Russia loses IPC’s and thus has no units to spare to send east.

    THen of course there is the  USA SBR campaign option against Germany…



  • I think doing SBRs are ok with the bombers you start with, because they have the capability to damage the opponent’s game when normal combat might not be feasible. But I think there are just so many better ways, under LHTR, to spend your money than on bombers for SBR or even normal combat. Due to bombing limits, cost, extremely poor defense value, and the nerfed heavy bombers research, it’s difficult to make bombers work in a long term strategy. Indeed they are the fastest way for the US to make its presence felt against Germany, but probably in the long run it’s better to have a transport chain with men that can be used to capture/defend territories, since you can no longer bomb a nation’s economy more than the territory value.



  • I agree Tri.  I am not an advocate of the USA Bombing strat, but it does exist and is used with some frequency, so I thought I’d mention it.

    I also agree on the original bomber thing… though from time to time I will add a Japan bomber to the mix, and use it for SBR’s from time to time.

    Basically, USA and Japan are the only 2 nations that regularly engage in SBR.  Russia has no bomber, and if they buy one, they are either stupid, or the Axis is already screwed.  UK has one to start, but it has other uses that are more essential than an SBR run.  Germany likewise has more important things for their bomber to do than risk itself for an SBR (in ALMOST all cases).  But even for Japan, if Japan is being pressed in Asia or the Pacific, that bomber becomes an offesnive tool for combat.  And for the US, that bomber again is an offensive tool once the Atlantic Convoys reach their destinations.

    Basically, SBR is an option for somethign you can use your bomebr for when their is NO other pressing need for that bomber in combat.

    Even then, you might want to consider NOT doing it if your bomber is essential to a future combat, since your bomber may get shot down…



  • Basically, SBR is an option for somethign you can use your bomebr for when their is NO other pressing need for that bomber in combat.

    Even then, you might want to consider NOT doing it if your bomber is essential to a future combat, since your bomber may get shot down…

    Yeah haha sometimes I get so paranoid I don’t even SBR because I want my bomber for later normal combats.

    Russia has no bomber, and if they buy one, they are either stupid, or the Axis is already screwed.

    So true, just like buying Russian navy ; ( Those bombers look so cool because they’re so big but they’re never purchased  😢



  • @trihero:

    So true, just like buying Russian navy ; ( Those bombers look so cool because they’re so big but they’re never purchased  😢

    Russia 1:
    With $24 IPC’s
    1 Battleship, spending $24, saving 0…



  • Russia 1:
    With $24 IPC’s
    1 Battleship, spending $24, saving 0…

    LOL!!

    One of my friends actually somewhat seriously considered doing this because he really really likes battleship bomardments  😛

    One of my other friends purchased 2 destroyers in R2 to get rid of the German med fleet, but ended up retreating it into the Indian Ocean : P



  • or you could play World at War 2005 where all these problems are solved.

    A/A guns can roll up to 3 dice per combat round and may not fire more than one die at each attacking aircraft.  More than one A/A gun can be used in a territory.  They fire just like any other normal unit.  They can also be used as Anti-tank guns and casualties.

    Oh yeah, defending and attacking fighters exchange fire for one round against SBRs.  Fighters accompanying an SBR have a range of 6.  They also have a range of 6 if they do not participate in combat that turn.  A/A guns can fire for one round during the SBR and normally in a normal attack in the same turn.  SBRs can damage/destroy factories, so the stakes are higher.  Factories can be repaired but if they are not, certain penalties apply.  For instance, if you hit well enough, you can prevent the factory from putting out tanks, A/A guns, ships and/or aircraft.  You can also bomb runways and limit the amount of defending fighters able to defend against SBRs.  In short, you can actually have a real Battle of Britian.  One more way World at War is superior.


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