Stalingrad Anniversary


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    Battle of Stalingrad yields more of its dead, 75 years later
    Searchers say there are hundreds of thousands of bodies unrecovered from savage WW II battle
    By Chris Brown, CBC News
    Feb 01, 2018

    This week, Russians commemorate the end of the Battle of Stalingrad 75 years ago. Many historians consider it to have been the largest and most savage battle in history. More than 1.1 million Soviet soldiers were killed or wounded in the 200-day fight to liberate the city from Nazi troops during the Second World War. And each year the remains of soldiers continue to be found.  […] German and other Axis losses in the battle of Stalingrad amounted to over 800,000 casualties. The Nazis’ eastward expansion was halted and the Soviets went on the offensive until the end of the war. Over 90 per cent of the buildings in the city were destroyed.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/battle-of-stalingrad-yields-more-of-its-dead-75-years-later-1.4504941


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    They think there were that many casualties? Wow!
    Thanks Marc.


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    One of most forlorn images of WWII:

    German troops hunkered down in their trenches in Stalingrad see the distant flares of the most advanced elements of Hoth’s Fourth Panzer Army trying to break through, only to see them descend and go out and see nothing more again, except more Russians… and death.



  • I don’t think USSR/Russia really knows how many died in that city. I am not even sure if conscripts who got the worse of the worse were even kept track on paper.



  • While devastating I don’t think Stalingrad was the final nail in the Nazi coffin.  It was over after Kursk, about 6 months later.

    Something that I think people forget about the Soviet Union under Stalin is that it was as bad, if not worse than Hitler.  I can not remember his name, but there was an admiral in the British navy who said (after he found out that Germany invaded the U.S.S.R.) “It is a pity they both can’t lose”.

    Many more people died in gulags than in concentration camps; but the winners write the history books.



  • @Zooey72:

    While devastating I don’t think Stalingrad was the final nail in the Nazi coffin.  It was over after Kursk, about 6 months later.

    Something that I think people forget about the Soviet Union under Stalin is that it was as bad, if not worse than Hitler.  I can not remember his name, but there was an admiral in the British navy who said (after he found out that Germany invaded the U.S.S.R.) “It is a pity they both can’t lose”.

    Many more people died in gulags than in concentration camps; but the winners write the history books.

    I think Stalingrad was the final nail with Kursk being the kick to the head. I mean the fact that Germany thought it would be easier to try to fight the Soviet Red Air Force and try to supply the 6th Army via air drops instead of having the 6th Army to break out was basically it.



  • There’s a five way intersection in the city that became the focal point of some of the fiercest fighting. I think it was a small hotel that the Russians holed up in and both sides kept throwing men into the fighting. The Germans never took the building and today it has been rebuilt and bears a small plaque that reads…“more Germans died trying to take this street than died in taking all of France.”


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    That would be Pavlov’s House. And the statement about German losses was really about the capture of Paris, not the entire Battle of France. Still quite astonishing of course.



  • @Herr:

    That would be Pavlov’s House. And the statement about German losses was really about the capture of Paris, not the entire Battle of France. Still quite astonishing of course.

    For the record, if I remember correctly, Germany took Paris without firing a shot so that statement is a pointless but regardless suppose to be a joke.


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    The combat in an arround Pawlow’s House were as long as the entire France campagne.
    2 month.

    The house received the name Pavlov after a russian medic was asked where he came from.
    He answered: from this House, Pavlovs House.
    A sergeant named Pawlow who continued to fight against an overwhelming enemy.



  • @aequitas:

    The combat in an arround Pawlow’s House were as long as the entire France campagne.
    2 month.

    The house received the name Pavlov after a russian medic was asked where he came from.
    He answered: from this House, Pavlovs House.
    A sergeant named Pawlow who continued to fight against an overwhelming enemy.

    Wasn’t his victory something like he set up around 20 weapons fully loaded and just ran from firearm to firearm? I think he fired so much so fast that the German’s thought there was a full platoon.


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    @Caesar:

    @aequitas:

    The combat in an arround Pawlow’s House were as long as the entire France campagne.
    2 month.

    The house received the name Pavlov after a russian medic was asked where he came from.
    He answered: from this House, Pavlovs House.
    A sergeant named Pawlow who continued to fight against an overwhelming enemy.

    Wasn’t his victory something like he set up around 20 weapons fully loaded and just ran from firearm to firearm? I think he fired so much so fast that the German’s thought there was a full platoon.

    I think you meant a movie were they did something like this.
    Ahhh…i think to recall Saving Ryan for that… 😐

    Or it was me playing online CoD II were i had confirmed 41 kills in a row.
    What a streak!! :lol:



  • Chuck Norris could do it.



  • He wouldn’t use guns.



  • @Zooey72:

    Something that I think people forget about the Soviet Union under Stalin is that it was as bad, if not worse than Hitler. I can not remember his name, but there was an admiral in the British navy who said (after he found out that Germany invaded the U.S.S.R.) “It is a pity they both can’t lose”.

    Many more people died in gulags than in concentration camps; but the winners write the history books.

    Germany’s war caused at least 17 million civilian casualties in the east alone (Poland, Balkans, Soviet Union), which is more than for all of Stalin’s rule (12-15 million). The big difference between the gulags (where about 2 million people died) and the concentration/extermination camps was that the Soviets used prisoners mostly for labor, whereas a large part of the German effort was aimed at extermination.

    Hitler was far, far worse. Churchill recognized this the very day Hitler attacked Stalin, by promising unlimited support for the Soviet Union as far as Britain was capable of.

    The Cold War has caused a severe distortion in the history writing of World War II. Germany was allowed to downplay and deny many of its crimes (apart from the ‘holocaust’) and the Soviet citizens killed by Hitler’s deployment squads, SS and Wehrmacht were casually added to Stalin’s death count for propaganda purposes. The clean Wehrmacht myth is a Cold War propaganda fabrication.

    You might have heard of Red Army behavior towards civilians once they crossed into German territory. What they did was bad, sure, but it was nothing compared to the mass murder and genocide Hitler’s troops practised nearly everywhere they went. The biggest difference, once German soldiers were done raping Polish or Russian women, they usually killed them right after. In the BBC documentary “War of the Century: when Hitler fought Stalin” this is addressed, this documentary clearly mentions that most Wehrmacht units are heavily implicated in the war crimes, including rapes, murders, and mass shootings.

    Had the Red Army done in Germany what the Wehrmacht and SS did in Poland and the Soviet Union, Germany would have suffered at least 7 million casualties more.





  • @Wittmann The War in the East was more brutal, inhumane and vast than most of us can comprehend this day in age.

    How are you all doing?


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    @ABWorsham4
    Hi AB nice to see you 🙂

    Yea read a good one on stalingrad years ago. Posted on the old site. Can’t remember the name. I’ll try and look it up.


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