Game History
Round: 10 Research Technology - Germans Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 1 armour, 4 artilleries, 1 carrier, 6 infantry, 5 mech_infantrys and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Germans 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Northern Caucasus to Southern Caucasus 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Rostov to Stalingrad 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Ukraine to Stalingrad 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Ukraine to Southern Caucasus 1 fighter moved from Ukraine to Tambov 12 armour, 4 artilleries, 7 infantry and 7 mech_infantrys moved from Tula to Tambov 1 infantry moved from Archangel to Nenetsia Germans take Nenetsia from Russians 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Leningrad to Vologda 1 bomber moved from Leningrad to Vologda 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern Belarus to Novgorod 2 infantry moved from Leningrad to Novgorod 1 infantry moved from Southern Belarus to Smolensk 2 fighters moved from Southern Belarus to Smolensk 1 submarine moved from 115 Sea Zone to 127 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Southern Belarus to Smolensk Combat - Germans Battle in Novgorod Germans attack with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Russians defend with 1 infantry Germans win, taking Novgorod from Russians with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Battle in Smolensk Germans attack with 2 fighters and 2 infantry Russians defend with 1 infantry Germans win, taking Smolensk from Russians with 2 fighters and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Battle in Vologda Germans attack with 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 1 infantry Russians defend with 1 infantry Germans win, taking Vologda from Russians with 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Battle in Stalingrad Germans attack with 1 artillery, 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers Russians defend with 1 artillery and 2 infantry 2 fighters owned by the Germans and 2 tactical_bombers owned by the Germans retreated Russians win with 1 artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is -1 Casualties for Germans: 1 artillery and 1 infantry Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry Battle in Tambov Germans attack with 12 armour, 4 artilleries, 1 fighter, 7 infantry and 7 mech_infantrys Russians defend with 1 infantry Germans win, taking Tambov from Russians with 12 armour, 4 artilleries, 1 fighter, 7 infantry and 7 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Battle in Southern Caucasus Germans attack with 1 armour, 1 fighter, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber British defend with 1 infantry Germans win, taking Southern Caucasus from Russians with 1 armour, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is -2 Casualties for Germans: 1 mech_infantry Casualties for British: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Germans 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Stalingrad to Rostov 1 fighter moved from Tambov to Rostov 1 infantry moved from Ukraine to Kursk 2 artilleries moved from Ukraine to Rostov 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern Caucasus to Northern Caucasus 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Baltic States to Northern Belarus 2 fighters moved from Smolensk to Leningrad 1 tactical_bomber moved from Novgorod to Leningrad 1 fighter moved from Novgorod to Leningrad 1 bomber moved from Vologda to Leningrad 1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Southern Italy 1 infantry moved from Southern France to Northern Italy 1 transport moved from 118 Sea Zone to 117 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Poland to 117 Sea Zone 1 mech_infantry moved from Germany to 117 Sea Zone 1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 117 Sea Zone to 118 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 118 Sea Zone to Leningrad 1 infantry moved from Poland to Eastern Poland 4 mech_infantrys moved from Germany to Eastern Poland 1 armour moved from Baltic States to Southern Belarus 1 armour moved from Baltic States to Southern Belarus 1 armour moved from Baltic States to Leningrad 1 fighter moved from Western Germany to Southern Italy Place Units - Germans 1 carrier placed in 115 Sea Zone 1 transport placed in 117 Sea Zone 2 artilleries and 1 infantry placed in Leningrad 2 artilleries and 1 infantry placed in Ukraine 1 armour, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Germany 1 infantry placed in Southern France 1 infantry placed in Southern France 4 mech_infantrys placed in Germany Turn Complete - Germans Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 0 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 108 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6,4 Germans collect 64 PUs; end with 64 PUs Trigger Germans 7 Atlantic Wall: Germans met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 67 PUs Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 72 PUs Objective Germans 3 Control Caucasus: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 77 PUs Objective Germans 2 Control Stalingrad Or Leningrad Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 82 PUsLeague General Discussion Thread
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It’s going to be worse. It’s going to be a slaughtering humiliation. Not explicit who…
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@AndrewAAGamer said in League General Discussion Thread:
Not sure, but as I remember it was majikforce who discussed playing other players and how it hurt his record.
For me now that I know there is a friendly area to play n to help players get better I am content with the League as is. trulpen and I are doing a Tutor game and I expect to do at least 2-3 of those a year for those interested. In fact our first one is just beginning! CHECK IT OUT!!!
Just for the record I don’t recall ever complaining about my rank. It really doesn’t matter to me. I know full well what my rank is and where I fit in this league. I waffle between tier 1 and E depending on my brain capacity that day
I know what players I can beat and what players I have can have a pretty even match with and what players kick my ass! (looking at you AD!) So my ranking is just a number. I enjoy playing new players to help them get up to speed and hopefully enrich the league play. Sometimes it burns me (ie trulpen and andrewgamer beating me as 3’s) but that’s okay. It just shows their skill level and my lack of skill in an area. All for the better. As for the ranking system I think it works great for this league and is a proven system (thanks for all you do gamerman, greatly appreciated) Some people will just always be a certain level player no matter who they play, some will grow to be better players, some will not. It takes a chunk of time and commitment to play this game and maybe the higher level players just don’t want to invest in that to beat up on some lower tier player. It may not even help that player to get stomped by an M. To have a balanced league the higher tiers should have somewhat of a responsibility to improve game play with their knowledge. But not at the cost of taking the fun out of the game. Just my thoughts. Great people, great league, great game! Bombs away. -
@trulpen said in League General Discussion Thread:
Not fully certain, but I believe that majikforce isn’t the one. He has previously explicitly stated that he doesn’t care about his rating and is happy to play newcomers to help them get aqcuainted with the league.
My brain is not all fried then from A-D’s cruel treatments…
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Words of wisdom, thanks majik
Just to make sure you know - you have 3 points for your game with trulpen because he is tier E - your current PPG always reflects the current standing of all your past opponents, so it doesn’t matter if you played someone when they were a 3 if they later rose to their true abilities, you get credit for that. In fact, you don’t have any scores less than 3 because you haven’t lost to anyone below a tier E this year.
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I’ve been pretty much away for awhile, just moderating the league and not playing games, until the past week. Now I’m playing a league game again and updating rankings daily.
I just want to remind everyone that the league rules totally allow variants of the OOB game - please see quoted rules below. A new variant is being released (not 100% finalized yet, but is available to all) called “Path to Victory” by Regularkid, Adam514, et al. I just want to assure everyone that you are free to play this version in league play. Thread for the game is here https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/35324/ww2-path-to-victory-feedback-thread
“4 - Game & rules - The default rules are the published G40 2nd edition rules, Regular Dice (also known as ADS or Actual Dice Server), No Technology, and Bidding to determine sides.
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4a The default game rules may be modified by agreement of both players. Low Luck or Tech, with or without Tech Tokens, is allowed if you and your opponent agree prior to bidding. Balanced mod (see stickied League section thread for Balanced Mod rules) or any other ruleset using G40 is likewise allowed if agreed by players” -
The map, especially Russia and Asia and the Pacific, is substantially changed from the OOB game board map, so for most of us, I don’t think switching back and forth between the games would be easy. (Besides the map, enough other improvements, changes, that I think most will want to focus on playing one or the other) I have not play tested the new game yet, I just found out about it today, but after looking at it for a few minutes, it definitely has my recommendation. I’m not encouraging everyone to switch over or everyone to stay with Balanced Mod original map - I don’t care if half the league is playing one and half the previous. But I suspect the new Path to Victory version will quickly become the rage.
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I’m just saying obviously, check it out because it’s likely to become very popular. And I advise you decide when you’re going to make the switch, and make it completely at that time, based on my A&A game playing experience. Enjoy! I know I’m looking forward to an improved and new, exciting experience!!
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When we have a new version come along that becomes very popular, we have to address what version will be played in the playoffs.
As in the past, I think the sound policy is to make the version that was most widely accepted at the beginning of the league year (1/1/20) the default version in the playoffs.Edited - I mis-spoke there. The technical default has been and will continue to be OOB 1940 because it’s the base-line game that is common to everyone including newcomers to our league. In practice, the vast majority of playoff games are played in the most popular mod of the game during the year, but if a playoff contender is most comfortable with OOB 1940 he can insist on it in the playoffs. However, if that same player had never played a single OOB 1940 game in league play that year and still completed 8 games and qualified for the playoff, I would not let him insist on playing OOB against somebody because clearly he is comfortable with mods, having qualified with 8 games not playing OOB at all.
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@gamerman01 said in League General Discussion Thread:
I’m just saying obviously, check it out because it’s likely to become very popular. And I advise you decide when you’re going to make the switch, and make it completely at that time, based on my A&A game playing experience. Enjoy! I know I’m looking forward to an improved and new, exciting experience!!
It easily gets confusing by mixing, but… isn’t it great excercise for the holy brain!?
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Ugh, actually the league rules state that OOB 2nd edition rules are the default. Pretty sure everybody was playing BM3 or whatever you call it, at the beginning of this year, so I doubt we will have anyone in the playoffs insisting on the archaic OOB rules, but I guess they could. If everybody in the top 8 has basically been playing the same version the first half of the year, though, I imagine that’s the “practical default”
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Anyway, get out there and try that new game - you’ll love it, I can tell!
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I guess it might be better said this way:
Hierarchy of versions for the playoffs is:
- OOB
- BM
- Path to Victory
Based purely on date of introduction (earlier introduced, more wide familiarity)
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@gamerman01 said in League General Discussion Thread:
I guess it might be better said this way:
Hierarchy of versions for the playoffs is:
- OOB
- BM
- Path to Victory
Based purely on date of introduction (earlier introduced, more wide familiarity)
@gamerman01 So if I am understanding you correctly, for 2020, the official League Playoff verison is first OOB, then BM3 and probably Path to Victory. If Path to Victory catches on like wildfire then it is a possibility that in 2021 Path to Victory may be the default Playoff game. As a new Player to BM3, I am only playing in my first game and it is dramatically different, this comes at a perfect time. Instead of trying to learn BM3 I can instead learn Path to Victory.
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Yes, the official league (and playoff) version is first OOB, so that players coming to the league are not forced to learn and adapt to BM3.
I’m glad you asked, because I think I said the wrong thing before about the beginning of the year thing - I’ll need to edit that. EDIT MODE!
OOB will still be the official default in 2021 because the physical 1940 game that is widely available to the public is the most popular A&A physical game that is available for purchase by the public. So technically, a player could insist on the OOB version in the playoff, however, if that same player had never actually played anyone OOB during the regular season, then it wouldn’t be right (and would not be allowed) to spring it on an opponent to try and gain an advantage. The reason OOB 1940 is default is to not force new players to the league to change to a different ruleset, or in the case of path to victory, a whole new map. Practically speaking though, every year everyone generally plays the latest and greatest mod of the game that almost everyone in the league has been playing.So I will not allow an unsportsmanlike “surprise” demand on an opponent to play a version that’s foreign to him. But if a player had been playing OOB (the default) in the league at least a couple or few games during the year, and insisted on OOB in the playoffs, that would have to be honored.
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@gamerman01 said in League General Discussion Thread:
Yes, the official league (and playoff) version is first OOB, so that players coming to the league are not forced to learn and adapt to BM3.
Thank you for the replay and as I new person I totally agree. I have been playing OOB for about 8 years now versus the one game of BM3 I just started since coming here. BM3 is very different than OOB I am at a significant disadvantage experience wise versus someone who has been playing BM3 for a long time. I also agree with your point that the game model played should not be a surprise to try and take advantage of someone in a single game but to create a level playing field for all.
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Depending on how things unfold between now and December, I could see more than one ranking for the league in 2021 for different versions of 1940. In fact, we could start a separate ranking for Path to Victory version now, if there is a lot of support for that.
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Don’t worry about that last sentence. It would have to be a LOT of support. I guess I used those same words lol but I want to stress it - because of playoffs and 8 games and all that, the results of all games for all versions of the game will stay together in 1 league ranking for the rest of this year, unless there are dozens of games played in path to victory and if an overwhelming majority agrees they want it split off.
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I’m pretty keen on the separate rankings for p2v. Seems pretty significantly different. Possibly, it will go through a few evolutions from here and may change a fair bit.
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P2V is a very different game, but still, the basics are the same. I’d say the different versions are close enough in order to keep them together regarding statistics.
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Thanks a lot guys, love the feedback.
The big reason I don’t want to split off in 2020 is because players switching to PTV will then not have their efforts go toward qualifying for the playoffs. And what trulpen said.
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But it depends on the level of popularity and support which we won’t know for a little while. So I’ll track PTV wins and losses from now on so that we could always split them off if there are dozens of games and practically everybody wants that.
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I don’t believe that separating them is a good idea. I just think that everybody should know how to play OOB/BM3 (theyre similar enough in my opinion) and have PtV as another option if both players want to do that.
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Great point washer, PTV will only be split off if there are a lot of players, and most of them are playing it exclusively
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i’m not 100% sure but i think you can just put 1 piece per spot. is this true?
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@dawgoneit said in League General Discussion Thread:
i’m not 100% sure but i think you can just put 1 piece per spot. is this true?
for bids.
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