(Classic) Paratrooper and Air Transport Rules for Classic


  • 2019 2018 2017

    Here is 2 of n for discussion of my Classic House Rules

    Paratroopers
    Unit Name    IPC Cost ATK DEF MOVE Notes
    Paratroopers      4       1*   2     1     Noted by Country Marker disc beneath an Infantry.

    • Paratroopers attack increases to 2 when doing an Airborne Assault.

    Cargo Planes
    Unit Name      IPC Cost ATK DEF MOVE Notes
    Air Transport       8        0     1     6     Noted by Country Marker disc beneath Fighter or Bomber. Can carry one Infantry or Paratroopers unit. May be used to help a Paratroopers unit perform an Airborne Assault.

    Paratroopers - The �Poor Bloody Infantry�, now with wings. Noted by Country Marker disc or an HBG Airborne marker beneath an Infantry. Paratroopers attack increases to 2 when doing an Airborne Assault OR when combined with Artillery. Combining both bonuses is not allowed.

    Air Transport - The humble cargo aircraft, this unit has 3x the speed and 1/3 the capacity of regular Transports. Noted by Country Marker disc or an HBG Airborne marker beneath Fighter or Bomber. Used to help Paratroopers conduct Airborne Assaults.

    For context, in my rule set Transports cost 8 IPCs, have a move of 2, and can carry 3 Infantry or 1 Armor and 1 Infantry.

    Airborne Assault - During the Combat Movement phase, a power may declare an Airborne Assault. The territory to be attacked by the Airborne Assault must be within the range of at least one of that power’s Air Transports. (Air Transports must end their movement at a friendly territory, no different from any other Combat Movement by an aircraft unit.) Additionally, the Air Transports must be able to move to pick up the Paratroopers for the Airborne Assault as a part of its Combat Movement and then move to the territory to be attacked with the Airborne Assault while having enough movement remaining to land at a legal landing spot.
       The Air Transports conducting an Airborne Assault are subject to Anti-Aircraft Gun fire, as per normal rules. If the Air Transport is successful at arriving over the drop zone, (i.e. is not shot down by anti-aircraft fire) then the attacking unit adds a +1 to its attack roll for the duration of that battle. The Air Transport can not be taken as a casualty to satisfy a Land Combat hit taken while fighting the Airborne Assault.
       When conducting an Airborne Assault and not an Amphibious Assault at the same time against an island territory, the Paratroopers in the Airborne Assault must be escorted by an equal number of attacking aircraft. When conducting an Airborne Assault and an Amphibious Assault at the same time against an island territory, the Paratroopers in the Airborne Assault must be escorted by an equal number of attacking aircraft and ground units. (The total number of the ground units being landed with the Amphibious Assault and attacking aircraft must be equal to or greater than the number of Paratroopers being moved to attack.) For the purposes of these rules, neither Japan nor the United Kingdom count as an island, regardless of other island-like attributes these two territories may have. When conducting an Airborne Assault against an land territory that is not an island, the Paratroopers in the Airborne Assault must be escorted by an equal number of attacking ground units.

    What do you all think?

    -Midnight_Reaper



  • I think the troops should only get bonus on first round of battle. Paratroopers are light infantry. I agree with the bonus because of surprise factor, but surprise is lost after contact.
    The troops and transports should be able to operate independent of other units. IE no matching ground units for paratroops.
    Islands should be targetable.


  • 2019 2018 2017

    @Bob77:

    I think the troops should only get bonus on first round of battle. Paratroopers are light infantry. I agree with the bonus because of surprise factor, but surprise is lost after contact.

    Paratroopers are light infantry, but they’re highly motivated light infantry that appeared out of nowhere. If I was going to limit it, it would be more like: “For the first {3|2} rounds of combat during an Airborne Assault, Paratroopers that Airdropped get an additional point of attack.” Surprise is lost after some time, but the defenders will not necessarily be able to react right away. They won’t even necessarily understand what exactly is happening right away.

    @Bob77:

    The troops and transports should be able to operate independent of other units. IE no matching ground units for paratroops.
    Islands should be targetable.

    Islands are a valid target for Paratroopers. They just need to be helped along, with escorting air units (fighters and bombers). The idea behind matching units for Paratroopers is two-fold: 1) Para-troopers in actual use tended to support an overall attack, they were rarely an attacking force completely by themselves and 2) An Airborne Assault is a matter of coordination in advance - and having placed units where they can support the Paratroopers before they hit the silk is also a matter of coordination in advance.

    But that doesn’t mean that the rules I wrote are perfect, that’s why I am pulling them out into the light - if I can’t articulate why a rule is a good idea, maybe it’s not such good idea after all.

    So, Bob, what do you think of a “split the difference” rule rewrite?

    When conducting an Airborne Assault, Paratroopers that arrived from an Air Transport have an attack of 2 for the first 2 rounds. For each Paratrooper that can be paired with a Fighter or a Bomber that is a part of the same attack, the paired Paratrooper retains an attack of 2 for the remainder of the attack.

    This would favor the power that can coordinate their air power with their Airborne Assaults, this would require special action to retain an advantage in the attack after an initial period of surprise, and allows a power to attack wherever that power can mass its forces.

    -Midnight_Reaper



  • I will still say first round for attack bonus, but like the idea of pairing. It has precedence from the later gamer combined arms.
    How bout
    Attack at 2 first round and every round there after with matching fighter or tank.


  • 2019 2018 2017

    @Bob77:

    I will still say first round for attack bonus, but like the idea of pairing. It has precedence from the later gamer combined arms.
    How bout
    Attack at 2 first round and every round there after with matching fighter or tank.(Emphasis added)

    So we’re going to have our Paratroopers re-live Operation Market Garden? 😄 It’s not a bad idea (pairing Paratroopers with Tanks, not re-doing Market Garden).

    I just went through my copies of the rule books. I only found three rule books with rules for technology development resulting in Paratroopers: A&A Anniversary, A&A Europe 1940 (technology development is an optional rule for Global only), and A&A Europe 1940 Second Edition (optional rule for G40.2). Here is what those books said:

    @A&A:

    3. Paratroopers. Each of your bombers can act as a transport for one infantry during combat movement, but it must stop in the first hostile territory it enters, ending its movement. Both units must begin their movement in the same territory. The infantry is dropped after any antiaircraft fire is resolved, so if the bomber is hit, the infantry it carries is also destroyed. The bomber may still attack during the Conduct Combat phase, but it cannot make a strategic bombing run in a turn that it transports an infantry unit. If attacking along with land units from adjacent territories, paratroopers may retreat as normal.

    @A&A:

    3. Paratroopers. Up to 2 of your infantry units in each territory with an air base can be moved to an enemy controlled territory 3 or fewer spaces away that is being attacked by your land units from adjacent territories and/or by amphibious assault. If the territory being attacked has an antiaircraft gun, the paratrooper infantry units are subject to antiaircraft fire in the same way as air units. If attacking along with land units from adjacent territories, paratroopers may retreat as normal.

    @A&A:

    3. Paratroopers. Up to 2 of your infantry units in each territory with an air base can be moved to an enemy controlled territory 3 or fewer spaces away that is being attacked by your land units from adjacent territories and/or by amphibious assault. When moving, paratroopers must obey the same restrictions that air units do. If the territory being attacked has AAA (antiaircraft artillery) units, the paratrooper infantry units are subject to antiaircraft fire in the same way as air units. If attacking along with land units from adjacent territories, paratroopers may retreat as normal.

    What that wall of text doesn’t include is an increase to the Attack value of any Infantry used as Paratroopers. But to be fair, those rules also don’t call for separate Paratrooper units to be built but instead you either pack some guys into the bomb bay of Bomber and “bomb” the enemy with an Infantry or you fling a couple Infantry two or three spaces forward using some planes hanging around a handy air base.

    Is there room for both? Infantry tossed out the back of an Air Transport, no increase in attack value but present for the fight AND combat units specially selected and trained for conducting Airborne Assaults, which subsequently receive a +1 to their Attack when used as they were meant to be used and when used as straight leg Infantry, fight as such with no bonuses?

    I think there is room for both in A&A…

    -Midnight_Reaper


  • 2017 '16 '15 Organizer '14 Customizer '13 '12 '11 '10

    1st round 3, 2nd round 2, third round latter 1

    They are shock troops and have limited supplies, they fade as they fight

    defend at 2

    cost 5, one per bomber


  • 2019 2018 2017

    @Imperious:

    1st round 3, 2nd round 2, third round latter 1

    They are shock troops and have limited supplies, they fade as they fight

    defend at 2

    cost 5, one per bomber

    I’m guessing you missed the part where they weren’t arriving via bomber but instead on their own Air Transport units. To be fair, I discussed that in the first post and no where else. Nobody seemed to want to discuss that part.

    For completeness:
    @Midnight_Reaper:

    Cargo Planes
    Unit Name      IPC Cost ATK DEF MOVE Notes
    Air Transport      8        0    1    6    Noted by Country Marker or an Airborne disc beneath Fighter or Bomber. Can carry one Infantry or Paratroopers unit. May be used to help a Paratroopers unit perform an Airborne Assault.

    Air Transport - The humble cargo aircraft, this unit has 3x the speed and 1/3 the capacity of regular Transports. Noted by Country Marker disc or an HBG Airborne marker beneath Fighter or Bomber. Used to help Paratroopers conduct Airborne Assaults.

    Transports cost 8 IPCs, have a move of 2, and can carry 3 Infantry or 1 Armor and 1 Infantry.
    {snip}

    I think I figured out a way to balance increased attack value against the fact that Paratroopers didn’t really last long in the field, especially by themselves.

    Paratroopers
    Unit Name    IPC Cost ATK DEF MOVE Notes
    Paratroopers      4      1*  2    1    Noted by Country Marker or an Airborne disc beneath an Infantry.

    • Paratroopers attack increases to 2 when doing an Airborne Assault. In every round of combat where Paratroopers have done an Airborne Assault, the first offensive casualty of the round must be a Paratrooper.

    This is a self-limiting system. Paratroopers keep their attack of 2 for conducting an Airborne Assault, but are guaranteed to only be around for a number of rounds equal to the number of Paratroopers in the attack. An example might help explain things:

    US forces, consisting of 2 Armor and 8 Infantry, invade Western Europe from off the Atlantic coast. Also, 3 US Fighters, 2 US Bombers, and 5 US Air Transports carrying 5 US Paratroopers (which all attack at 2) come from the UK to Western Europe arrive to help.

    So, we have 2 Armor, 8 Infantry, 3 Fighters, 2 Bombers, 5 Air Transports, and 5 Paratroopers. The German player may roll 10 dice at 1 due to AAA in Western Europe. Germany scores 3 hits. US Player takes 2 Fighters and 1 Air Transport (which is carrying 1 Paratrooper) as casualties, leaving the US with 2 Armor, 8 Infantry, 1 Fighter, 2 Bombers, 4 Air Transports, and 4 Paratroopers (which all attack at 2).

    US Player rolls his attack, scoring 6 hits. German players rolls his defense, scoring 4 hits. At this point, the Air Transports can not be taken as casualties. US Player must take 1 Paratrooper as a casualty and takes 3 Infantry to satisfy the other 3 hits, leaving the US with 2 Armor, 5 Infantry, 1 Fighter, 2 Bombers, 4 Air Transports, and 3 Paratroopers (which all continue to attack at 2).

    US Player rolls his next attack, scoring 7 hits. This takes out the German player, who gets his defense all the same, scoring 3 hits. US Player must take 1 Paratrooper as a casualty and takes 2 Infantry to satisfy the other 2 hits, leaving the US with 2 Armor, 3 Infantry, 1 Fighter, 2 Bombers, 4 Air Transports, and 2 Paratroopers (which all would continue to attack at 2).

    After Non-Combat Movement, the planes all fly away, leaving the US in possession of Western Europe with 2 Armor, 3 Infantry, and 2 Paratroopers (which are no longer conducting an Airborne Assault and therefore would attack at 1 until their Airborne Assault status changes).

    Clear as mud?

    -Midnight_Reaper


  • 2017 '16 '15 Organizer '14 Customizer '13 '12 '11 '10

    weren’t arriving via bomber but instead on their own Air Transport units

    Well that adds another unit that just does that. Which is fine, but for that other unit

    0-1-6-12  ( carries 1 unit in combat or 2 in non-combat)  don’t consider anything cheaper, it wont work. Tried it.

    Also, you cant drop farther than 2 spaces from nearest land unit.


  • 2019 2018 2017

    @Imperious:

    weren’t arriving via bomber but instead on their own Air Transport units

    Well that adds another unit that just does that. Which is fine, but for that other unit

    0-1-6-12  ( carries 1 unit in combat or 2 in non-combat)  don’t consider anything cheaper, it wont work. Tried it.

    Also, you cant drop farther than 2 spaces from nearest land unit.

    Would 0-0-6-8 (can carry one (1) Infantry or Paratrooper in Combat or Non-Combat Movement (not both in one turn), not eligible to be taken as a casualty except when fired on by AAA) work?

    It loses its defense value and is taken last in combat (and can’t shoot back). At this point, all that unit would be good for is moving infantry and parachute infantry around. I don’t see it being worth 12 IPCs when it can shoot back and can be taken as a defensive casualty but I really can’t see it being worth more that 8 IPCs when it can’t shoot back and can’t be taken as a casualty.

    Are other players that hard up for units that move fast and die faster?

    -Midnight_Reaper


  • 2019 2018 2017 '16 '15 '14 Customizer '13

    In my game I have Air Transport plane A0 D0 M5 C8. Can carry 2 inf in non combat only. But if you get Paratrooper Tech can carry 2 inf for combat. Anzac likes this plane.

    But thinking of adding the Paratroopers to US, UK, Germany and Italy in game. Only use 1 in combat.
    Then if you get Paratroopers Tech at least Japan and Russia get Paratroopers in game.


  • 2019 2018 2017

    @SS:

    In my game I have Air Transport plane A0 D0 M5 C8. Can carry 2 inf in non combat only. But if you get Paratrooper Tech can carry 2 inf for combat. Anzac likes this plane.

    But thinking of adding the Paratroopers to US, UK, Germany and Italy in game. Only use 1 in combat.
    Then if you get Paratroopers Tech at least Japan and Russia get Paratroopers in game.

    There are just the five powers in Classic (Germany, Japan, UK, USA, and USSR). When I trot out my house rules, I normally give 1 Air Transport and 1 Paratrooper at the start of the game to Japan, UK, USA, and USSR and 2 of each to Germany. They are placed in the respective capital territories.

    Expanding out to G40, I would probably do it this way… nothing for China; 1 each Air Trans and Para. to ANZAC, France, Italy; 2 each for Japan, UK, USA, and USSR and 3 of each to Germany.

    I would probably replace Paratrooper Tech with something else as well. But that’s me.

    -Midnight_Reaper


  • 2017 '16 '15 Organizer '14 Customizer '13 '12 '11 '10

    An 8 IPC air transport carrying a unit 6 spaces is worth far more than a sea transport. You all need to increase the cost to 12


  • 2019 2018 2017 '16 '15 '14 Customizer '13

    @Imperious:

    An 8 IPC air transport carrying a unit 6 spaces is worth far more than a sea transport. You all need to increase the cost to 12

    I’m going with C10 A0 D0 M5. I have only a few airbases in my game and my Stg Bombers C10 anyway. I only have Paratroopers in game if you get the Tech. If I put in Paratroopers in game period then I’ll make plane C12 A0 D1 M5  carry 2 inf NC and 1 inf Combat.
    get the tech can carry 2 inf in Combat.


  • 2019 2018 2017

    @Imperious:

    An 8 IPC air transport carrying a unit 6 spaces is worth far more than a sea transport. You all need to increase the cost to 12

    I am only charging 10 IPCs for Fighters, I don’t see charging more than that for planes that can neither attack or defend. But I do agree that fast moving reinforcements are very useful. So, let’s make them 10 IPCs units as well for now.

    To re-cap what I am going with for my rule set from all that has been discussed in this thread:

    Paratroopers
    Unit Name    IPC Cost ATK DEF MOVE Notes
    Paratroopers      4      1*  2    1    Noted by Country Marker or an Airborne disc beneath an Infantry.

    • Paratroopers attack increases to 2 when doing an Airborne Assault. In every round of combat where Paratroopers have done an Airborne Assault, the first offensive casualty of the round must be a Paratrooper.

    Cargo Planes
    Unit Name    IPC Cost ATK DEF MOVE Notes
    Air Transport    10      0    0    6    Noted by Country Marker or an Airborne disc beneath Fighter or Bomber. Can carry one Infantry or Paratroopers unit. May be used to help a Paratroopers unit perform an Airborne Assault.

    Paratroopers - The “Poor Bloody Infantry”, now with wings. Can be noted by Country Marker disc or an HBG Airborne marker beneath an Infantry. Paratroopers attack increases to 2 when doing an Airborne Assault OR when combined with Artillery. Combining both bonuses is not allowed.

    Air Transport - A grouping of the humble cargo aircraft, this unit has 3x the speed and 1/3 the capacity of regular Transports. Can be noted by Country Marker disc or an HBG Airborne marker beneath Fighter or Bomber. Used to help Paratroopers conduct Airborne Assaults. Except for satisfying hits from AAA, Air Transports can not be taken as casualties in either Attack or Defense and are simply all destroyed if they are the last units present in a defending territory.

    For context, in my rule set Transports cost 8 IPCs, have a defense of 1 and a move of 2, and can carry 3 Infantry or 1 (Armor or AAA) and 1 Infantry.

    Airborne Assault - During the Combat Movement phase, a power may declare an Airborne Assault. The territory to be attacked by the Airborne Assault must be within the range of at least one of that power’s Air Transports. (Air Transports must end their movement at a friendly territory, no different from any other Combat Movement by an aircraft unit.) Additionally, the territory receiving the Airborne Assault must be no further away than two (ground and/or sea) territories with friendly ground units.
        The Air Transports conducting an Airborne Assault are subject to AAA fire, as per normal rules. If the Air Transport is successful at arriving over the drop zone, (i.e. is not shot down by anti-aircraft fire) then the attacking unit adds a +1 to its attack roll for the duration of that battle. The Air Transport can not be taken as a casualty to satisfy a Land Combat hit taken while fighting the Airborne Assault.
        In every round of combat where Paratroopers have done an Airborne Assault, the first offensive casualty of the round must be a Paratrooper. This is a self-limiting system. Paratroopers keep their attack of 2 for conducting an Airborne Assault for the duration of the Airborne Assault, but are only guaranteed to be around for a number of rounds equal to the number of Paratroopers in the attack.

    -Midnight_Reaper


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