(Anniversary-1941) Chicago rules - Tech via a Point System

@Fredrico:

I had an idea that the French units in any territory be neutral (after Paris fell)

In case you ask me, I totally agree with that part, man…
And this should not be a special rule to France only, it should be a common rule to any player that lose his capital.

When you capital is taken, all your unoccupied territories and colonies become true neutrals. Period.

UK and US wants to land in by now neutral Morocco ? Then they must combat move in and fight.

Rome get taken by US, with both by now neutral Italian and still at war German units in Northern Italy ? Now that makes Northern Italy a contestet area, and I figure that the Italian units there must roll defense dice against the present Germans, just like they rolled against the invading US troops a second before.

But for this to work we must skip the silly and historically not very correct OOB rule that trigger all true neutrals around the globe to declare war on you

@Black_Elk:

I have done a lot of experimenting with the AA50 game board, but trying to use G40 rules on it is not something I have tried. I’m curious what you have in mind?

Do you mean like using G40 with an expanded unit roster? In that case it may be possible to include Tac Bombers or Mech, possibly G40 factories (with their restrictions) but I think the air and naval bases would be out, since the movement advantage would bust the map. Not using Air bases would handle the most problematic aspect of G40 on a AA50 board, since you wouldn’t have to deal with scrambling.

AA50 could probably support 2 hit carriers, though that might bust the opening battles. I suppose if you really wanted to retain the repair aspect on ships, you could just attach it to coastal factories, though that might give Japan a decisive advantage over the US in the pacific.

Beyond this, the Tac Bombers and Mech, I’m not sure what the payoff would be using G40 rules over AA50 OOB.

I think AA50 is a superior game to Global in many respects,  especially in terms of the learning curve and the total playtime to conclusion, so I’d be pretty excited to see it on offer if I showed up at someone’s house to find it set on a table.

I’m just spit balling, might be easier to just play by the AE rules rather than go though the work of making the G40 unit profiles compatible with the AE board. It’s been a long time since I played AE, but maybe it’s time to revisit it.

Good implications for Battle of Britain etc.  At $10 it would basically take hits from 3 tactical or 2 strategic bombers to destroy a base (after AA).  The best part is it could kill some very gamey phoney baloney moves involving gratuitous bases.  For example:

J1 Japan takes Chahar
J2 Japan builds airbase in Chahar and lands bombers there
UK2 UK pacific bombs Chahar airbase
USSR3 Russia bombs it a second time, destroying it
J3 no Japanese SBR of Moscow

Ok, you’ve learnt me some new things !
Thanks for that. Your NOs look fairly good.

There are about 20 threads on this topic already.

I recommend the following if you don’t want to upset game balance but Give France a greater role in the game

www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=21892

Hi all,

these are our rules for Vichy France. I am aware that they are not 100% historically accurate, but they provide a lot of fun and strategic nuances for both sides to consider.

Vichy France Rules

When for the first time “Normandy/Bordeaux” and “France” is under German control, while no other originally French-controlled territory has been taken by the Axis, the German player can choose to install the Vichy regime at the beginning of the Calculate Income phase. In that case, Germany only takes the IPCs of the Free France (10), the rest goes to Vichy France (9).

Follow this setup to proceed:

Setup Southern France is the capital of Vichy France Vichy is no victory city Start IPCs are 9 (The ones taken from the original France, not 9 + 9) Choose a new IPC tracker for Vichy France and put it on 9 Vichy France is not at war (details on the politicy section) Put Vichy occupation markers on “Southern France”, “Marocco”, “Algeria”, “Tunesia”, “Syria” and “French Indo China” Politics

Vichy France sees itself as the official representetive of the French nation and accepts its defeat in the war. It is not at war with anybody opon its creation. Vichy France can not declare war on an allied nation before the beginning of the 4th turn after its creation (Rethinking its position in the world and its strategy from a colonial strategy to a european strategy, influenced by German concessions). Vichy France fears allied attacks on their harbours after Britain attacked French fleets in North Africa earlier. Thus it understands the passing through or stationing of allied surface warships in SZ 93 as declaration of war. As long as Vichy France is not at war, the Japanese player may conquer “French Indo China” (After a declaration of war against Free France) without Vichy France entering the war. Vichy France will accept this loss of territory as a delayed, but still inevitable result of the war they were in previously (Special rule). A Vichy territory, conquered by the Allies is freed for the Free France, as if it was taken from France previously.

National Objectives

If Vichy France is at war:

1IPC for every German ground troop in “Southern France” (max 5): Material and aid from Germany

Free France Setup The Forces françaises libres (here called Free France) have no capital and follow the rules for china, with a few exceptions, those are: French units can leave their original borders Free France is allowed to build and use factories, when they have a fitting territory or conquer a territory containing a factory. In these factories they can produce all unit types Free France is not allowed to spawn units in territories conquered this turn France can produce infantry in original Free-French territories (“French West Africa”, “French Central Africa”, “French Equatorial Africa”, “French Madagascar” and “French Guiana”) and also Artillery, if no convoy disruption could be executed in this moment on the UK (Europe) Start IPC are 0, because Germany took it Put the IPC tracker on 4 Politics

The Forces françaises libres continue the fight against the Axis fiercely. It is at war with Germany and Italy. The normal rules apply.

National Objectives

3 IPCs for each freed Vichy-French territory now under Free-French control: Nations joining company with the Forces françaises libres

5 IPCs if the allies control “Normandy/Bordaux”: Paris being in reach, encourages more and more French, once loyal to the Vichy regime, to fight for a truly free home country

Unification

When Paris is freed, additional to the printed effect this effect occures: France is unified at the end of the current Allied players conduct combat phase. All french units on the board now fight for the Allies. Remove all Vichy markers on the board and replace them with France markers. Adjust the income tracker and sum the treasuries. When there are French untis now on Axis territories, instantly fight all fights. France must conduct at least the first round of battle before they can retreat. In this special case, they can retreat to any legal adjecent territory. On the sea, you can choose not to fight. You now share the field with the enemy. If you conquer any territory with this rule, it counts as conquered this turn for the allied player currently at the turn, therefore it does not become a legal landing place.

FAQ Italy National Objective Italy can not earn the NO for North Africa, as long as Vichy France is not at war, because the areas must be in Axis hands, which Vichy is not part of at that point. Italy can earn the NO for Gibraltar, Greece and Egypt, Southern France however can not be counted in, as long as Vichy France is not at war.

Ya  Play test it.

I’d like to see your modified set up for Global 41.  My thoughts on your rules:

1. I like the multi turn build for capital ships.  Two turns seems right.  I know in HGB’s Global war it takes 4 turns, which seems way to long.

2. Would be fun to try, however if Japan sets up that strategy correctly they could gobble up China/Russia even faster.  If I’m playing the Axis, then I’m good to try that.

3. Don’t like the idea of taking a strat bomber out of play to drop a unit that attacks @ 1.  Using a transport plane or a special infantry unit that represents the paratrooper & transport would be a better way to go.

4. We actually use that as a research mod.  I guess we could just incorporate that for all tactical bombers.

Don’t forget to post your 1941 mod.  Thx.