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    Necrobump I know.

    Don’t know if you’re still out there TripleA, but I’ve been practicing with your strategy and have found that it works pretty well as a bait for a J1 Pearl Harbor.

    The extra casualties Japan suffers due to the second FTR (the one that flies in from SZ35 to help with the Solomon Islands Sub) renders them vulnerable (pretty good odds, depending on how the dice went on J1) to a counterattack from the USA (with the BB+TT from W. US, the FTR from W. US, the FTR from Hawaii, and the BMB from E. US.).

    Thanks for the great strategy! I’ll definitely be giving it a try at the next tournament or face-to-face game I play in.

  • '17

    Thanks for the feedback! I got it from somebody using it on me! ;)


  • I used to do this move, with the addition of landing two  indian infs in brno.
    If japan then goes for pearl, he has to use his TT, which will die. If japan builds 3 TTs, he will be vulnrable to the UK bomber. This means that Japan will have real trouble getting brno back before turn 3.

    The place I played, we usually added a german Tank and a german inf in libya as a bid. Because of this, Germany would often take Egypt with about 3 units surviving on G1.

    I used this strategy for many games, however , I switched to taking egypt back on UK1. Retaking egypt, combined with landing in Morocco on UK1 (reinforced by USA), would completely criple germany permanently in africa. Germany would be left with 2 landunits, and have trouble reinforcing it. In most of those games, UK would collect all of africa for the entire game.

  • 2024 2023 '22 '21 '20 '19 '18

    @Kreuzfeld:

    I used to do this move, with the addition of landing two  indian infs in brno.
    If japan then goes for pearl, he has to use his TT, which will die. If japan builds 3 TTs, he will be vulnrable to the UK bomber. This means that Japan will have real trouble getting brno back before turn 3.

    The place I played, we usually added a german Tank and a german inf in libya as a bid. Because of this, Germany would often take Egypt with about 3 units surviving on G1.

    I used this strategy for many games, however , I switched to taking egypt back on UK1. Retaking egypt, combined with landing in Morocco on UK1 (reinforced by USA), would completely criple germany permanently in africa. Germany would be left with 2 landunits, and have trouble reinforcing it. In most of those games, UK would collect all of africa for the entire game.

    Agreed for the most part. I don’t like diving on Borneo though. Too risky (only like 70% chance to win, with my rotten luck that’s bad odds for an early game engagement, plus Japan can parry it and retake Borneo if they play smart).

    I also like retaking Egypt B1, provided that Germany didn’t win too decisively (if they have > 3 land units left I don’t bother).

    I might post in this thread again in a week or two. I’m starting to practice Revised again for a tournament I’m going to over the summer and it’ll be good to dream up new openings for UK.


  • @DouchemanMacgee:

    Agreed for the most part. I don’t like diving on Borneo though. Too risky (only like 70% chance to win, with my rotten luck that’s bad odds for an early game engagement, plus Japan can parry it and retake Borneo if they play smart).

    I also like retaking Egypt B1, provided that Germany didn’t win too decisively (if they have > 3 land units left I don’t bother).

    I might post in this thread again in a week or two. I’m starting to practice Revised again for a tournament I’m going to over the summer and it’ll be good to dream up new openings for UK.

    Depends on what you do. If you want him to attack borneo, instead of pearl, you do the move i said. If he is going to do pearl, he will need his only TT left here. If you want to make it impossible for him to take borneo, you can place your CV at the philipines. As long as you kill his TT with your cruiser, he will not be able to reach borneo on J1. At this point, it is quite miserable being the japanese. It is a decent backup plan to taking egypt.

  • 2024 2023 '22 '21 '20 '19 '18

    @Kreuzfeld:

    Depends on what you do. If you want him to attack borneo, instead of pearl, you do the move i said. If he is going to do pearl, he will need his only TT left here. If you want to make it impossible for him to take borneo, you can place your CV at the philipines. As long as you kill his TT with your cruiser, he will not be able to reach borneo on J1. At this point, it is quite miserable being the japanese. It is a decent backup plan to taking egypt.

    I’m familiar with the “block” of Borneo on UK1, yes.  It’s a solid move if you can win both fights and it can crush players who aren’t experienced with Japan.

    I’m just personally not a fan because of the odds associated with the battles.

    You need to win two battles for the plan to work:

    • 2 UK INF Vs. 1 J INF (Borneo), ~70% chance to win

    • 1 UK DD Vs. 1 J TT (SZ 59), ~70% chance to at least sink the TT.

    • It’s worth noting that you can greatly increase your odds in the SZ59 fight by also bringing the FTR, but that means it can’t reach Hawaii, which defeats the point of this plan.

    Two 70% fights looks great on paper, but your chances of winning both are (.70)^2= .49 = ~49%, just shy of 50%.

    You can’t afford to lose either of these fights for the plan to sufficiently strangle Japan either. If SZ59 is not occupied by the British DD, Japan can sail to FIC J1 and project power across the Pacific and if Borneo isn’t captured than the entire plan fails outright.


  • yeah, That is why I never used the borneo block when I did borneo.

    I am personally not a fan of the UK-> pacific move, I would rather do the Egypt Counterattack myself.

    If there is 4 Axis units left in egypt, You might still do a counterattack. Attacking with 3 inf, 1 ftr and 1 bomber against 3 tanks and 1 inf is not all terrible.  According to the battlecalc, Germany will have 72% chance of 0 units, 12 % of 1 unit. If germany has 1 tank or less in africa after the attack, it is sort of a success, since germany cannot hope to reinforce.

  • 2024 2023 '22 '21 '20 '19 '18

    My issue with bringing the UK Bomber into Egypt is that it’s 5 moves (UK->SZ8->SZ12->Lybia->Algeria->Egypt), leaving you with only one move for the Bomber after the battle.

    This means you’re either:
    A: Killing the Bomber in the battle, which means you lose the bomber.
    B: Landing the Bomber in Trans-Jordan, where it will probably be killed by Germany on G2.
    C: Landing the Bomber in one of the three African territories adjacent to Egypt, where it will be safe (as long as Germany didn’t bring any air when it attacked Egypt), but will be mildly out of position UK2 (unless you plan on sending the Bomber to the Pacific).

    I just prefer keeping the UK Bomber in or around the UK/Moscow area at the start, so it can be used in clearing out whatever navy Germany may-or-may-not be building (the people I play with generally tend to build a Baltic Carrier G1 and land FTRs on it).

    Granted, if I’m not seeing any attempt at a German Naval build I’d have no problem with sending the bomber into Africa.


  • @DouchemanMacgee:

    Necrobump I know.

    Don’t know if you’re still out there TripleA, but I’ve been practicing with your strategy and have found that it works pretty well as a bait for a J1 Pearl Harbor.

    The extra casualties Japan suffers due to the second FTR (the one that flies in from SZ35 to help with the Solomon Islands Sub) renders them vulnerable (pretty good odds, depending on how the dice went on J1) to a counterattack from the USA (with the BB+TT from W. US, the FTR from W. US, the FTR from Hawaii, and the BMB from E. US.).

    Thanks for the great strategy! I’ll definitely be giving it a try at the next tournament or face-to-face game I play in.

    Are you finding this is working under WBC rules?

    What is a common J1 response to this strategy, combat, NCM and purchases?

    What have you found are the impacts of Germany running free in Africa?

    P.s. All questions relate to WBC rules :)

  • 2024 2023 '22 '21 '20 '19 '18

    @Slip:

    Are you finding this is working under WBC rules?

    Yes.

    @Slip:

    What is a common J1 response to this strategy, combat, NCM and purchases?

    Can’t give 100% specifics because every player is different, but I’d imagine a Japan player will just dive on Pearl anyway with every ship/plane available.

    @Slip:

    What have you found are the impacts of Germany running free in Africa?

    USA has to do mop-up work, sending whatever Atlantic forces it has to Africa to protect UK’s IPCs.


  • Hi buddy, would you mind sharing which way you went finally with.

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  • @ponef In regards to what? This thread kind of wound up diverting itself in like 3 different directions:

    • Whether UK should retake Egypt B1 Vs. send the FTR from the India Carrier over to the US Pearl Harbor Fleet.
    • Whether Japan should attack the Pearl Harbor Fleet, the UK India Fleet, or both on J1.
    • Whether UK should attack Borneo B1 or not.

    The answer to basically all of these boiled down to some combination of “it depends on how the dice went G1” and “are you playing under WBC Rules or not”. Seeing as WBC no longer runs tournaments for Revised (or any A&A, for that matter), we’re left to assume all games being played will be OOB rules (or at least LHTR), in which case Egypt suddenly becomes much less of a priority in the grand scheme of things.

    Personally, I got to try the strategy out at the 2018 WBC in one of my games. It worked well for me, as Japan was routinely baited into attacking the USN, losing the TT and the DD in the process. This allowed me to wipe out the remaining IJN Fleet A1 (Bomber from East USA + FTR from West USA + Navy from US West Coast + FTR from Hawaii). This crippled the IJN and let me rapidly come to dominate the Pacific.

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