Italy

Also, if you want to play with Axis Advantage, what technology does Italy get?

You could also give Italy Finland and Romania. In the Civilization 2 scenarios of World War 2 that I download, usually Italy gets all of Germany’s little allies like Finland, Romania and Hungary.

Bulgaria? in balkens.

A Balkan territory is a good idea! If you look at a map you can see how it could be Bulgaria, Greece, Yugoslavia and Romania(mountainous, separated area). Note that EE woud have no access to the Med. Sea! I would recommend only 2 IPCs for this with no(or 1 IPC)reduction in Germany’s income. Whatcha think, dudes and dudettes?
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territory touching Germany? Germany already has austria,cezchoslovakia,?hungry? and all these territorys touch yugolsavia/romania?

split eastern europe into 2 parts. One representing Poland and the baltic states in the north, owned by germany and worth 3 IPC’s. And One representing the minor allies of Rumania, Bulgaria and Hungary in the south, owned by Italy with a value of 4.

This makes:
Italy 6
Libya 2
Eastern Europe 4 = 12 IPC’s.

And Germany would have 24 IPC’s

Italy will most likely take most part of africa and germany will never be a treat to russia. So to compensate this you might want to start with german units in libya representing the afrikakorps of Rommel. In this way germany will get most of the IPC’s in africa making it strong enough to attack karelia while Italy can support german troops with their navy while attacking in the caucasus.

OR you can add more IPCs to Germany by dividing WE into a northern and southern part, the southern can be Vichy France. Make them add up to more than what WE is worth normally.

Finland can also be an Italian territory. It was part of the Axis powers and helped the Germans in Operation Barbarrosa. Just split Norway/Finland into a German Norway and an Italian Finland.

I personally would leave finland to the german army. It would be completely isolated from the rest of the italian army in the south. It’s also isolated from the german troops when their navy in the baltic is destroyed but they could be used to attack karelia, while the italian army would be heading for the caucasus on the russian front. And if you want to get the german IPC up i would recommend adding 1 to Finland/Norway (for a total of 3 ipc) along with the bonus on eastern europe.

I like the idea of having separate “Southern Zones” for both Eastern Europe and Western Europe. This would be perfect for the Italian Fronts

what if turky (as historicly) had land in the lower balken regin making the strait between med. and black sea a canal zone like pannama, if Italy invaded turky they would have accses to asia/russia/britan territories giving them more ipcs.

I like that idea

me 2 :D

The chinese put in so much in holding off japan in the second world war (like the russians did against germany) why not having an extra player for China. Increase the value of the two chinese land to e.g 5 for each, while decreasing the price for infantry for china to e.g. 2 dollars. give them factories with limitation of producing infantries only or limit the number of high tech things they can produce or e.g. they can train pilots with a certain amount of money (e.g. 3 dollars) to convert the american fighters into chinese fighters and the japanese tanks have less attack points when going into sin kiang
just a rough idea
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“they can train pilots with a certain amount of money (e.g. 3 dollars) to convert the american fighters into chinese fighters…”

Flying Tigers! Sweet!

Anyways, sounds like a good idea, though it fills a bit “tact on.” Terrian was also a major part in slowing down the Japanese offensive.

I have also played with an italy before. I found that Germans found themselves with a false new feeling of security because the can focus on russia, but its false concierding they get almost no new IPCs early. However, i found that you have to eliminate the magic 84 rule. All italy needs is a few transports and he has africa and is helping japan in Asia. An american invation of africa is detured by german forces in algeria and italy can now prepare for a second assult while going for Russia (this is of course concidering germany or italy havent had terrible lukc and lost in europe to russia yet). This puts america behind, Russia dead, and the UK scrambling. ITS SO MUCH FUN! You can even get rid of Ruusia restriction if you have italy go first (which i did). however, you get none, absolutly none, of this jucy fun stuff if you include the magic 84. Its over before turn 5 (concidering decent luck with the axis). BUT: if you get rid of the magic 84 this puts a massive drive on capitals, and gives Germany a little more reason to seriously think about the invation of GB…seeing that you have to.

Many new thing come up in a 3v3 game, like the london bliz and i even had a german player give up Ukr and EEu and take the UK! But you gotta get rid of Magic 84 otherwise you will find the game is tipped too far in favor of the axis.

O and btw, these game take a few days…so have a sleepover.

germany can capture quite some IPC’s on the first few turns if you start with rommel in africa. These forces can capture most of africa (providing germany’s turn is before italy’s) and leave the defence to italy. In this way italy and its allies in eastern europe remain a small power but they support the germans heavily. With about 8 additional IPC’s from africa germany hits 28, which is more then russia. So i think this will balance the game a bit more and make it a somewhat more difficult choice whether or not you pick britain first or russia.

May the Force be with you! :)