Legal or not?

@andrewaagamer said in Beating J1:

@ShadowHAwk I am going to agree with @Arthur-Bomber-Harris. I like the bid to save high value units or put the Allies in the position to accomplish some of their major goals. Saving half the UK fleet and stopping Italy cold are high on my list of objectives. Not sure where you would put a high bid in the pacific because I have never done it. You seem to think there is potential so please detail where you would put that bid.

As I said earlier I would agree with some Chinese and UK Pacific infantry, Russian artillery and maybe a sub for ANZAC and UK Pacific and a ground unit for US in the Philippines. That is maybe as much as much as $45 leaving what for Europe? A UK fighter? Not sure I see the benefit of that versus having a strong Britain in Europe. To me the key is Europe. Germany unrestrained is going to win; no doubt. I have seen many a game where Japan is on her knees and the Axis wins in Europe.

Its an easy bid that makes sure that some areas are basicaly won. But why not just put a sheet over afrika and the middle east and dont use that part of the board? Saves putting pieces on it and if you dont want to play there its a much easier solution.
UK already is strong in the Med, airpower is a bit overpowered in this game due to insane range. If you want to use a bid to win the game yea put it somewhere that you already overpower.

But if you want a bid to balance the game unbalancing the board even further is not really working towards that goal.
I want the bid to balance the areas where the allies are weak or to prevent some cheap axis openers.

Put a bid in the med and europe will be will germany beat russia before it gets overwhelmed. No med play no ME play just boring germany follows their playbook because they have no other alternatives.
Put a bid in the Pac and Germany might be able to play Med, Japan suddenly cant do a J1.

Its just what you want from the bid. And also OP wanted a way to deal with J1 well this might help him with that.

“When allowed to gamers will try to optimize the fun out of games” this was a quote for PC games but it also might apply to other games.

@GeneralHandGrenade:

I realize how big the Pacific is and how large the sea zones are. I’m not navigating the high seas I’m playing Axis and Allies. If I’m the American player and you are the Japanese player and you move your fleet to Hawaii I can see that perfectly. Chances are that I’m not going to buy your excuse that you had way too much ham and you’re just stopping into Honolulu to pick up some pineapple on your way to China with fully loaded transports. There’s no way that you can spin this to make it acceptable. It’s a goofy rule plain and simple. Larry crapped the bed on this one.

The rule is pretty normal, it allows japan to move around but not to sucker punch the US out of the war immediately.
You dont have to buy excuses the fleet is there and it is a legal spot so deal with it, if your afraid it will attack you use blockers thats what destroyers are for.

The same with a UK destroyer with the whole japanese fleet will not allow the transports to load. Sure 1 destroyer vs what 3 carriers 2 BB 2 cruisers and a handfull of destroyers. Yes the transport captains will be really really scared of that lone destroyer.

I am in your same situation, getting back to the game after a while.

One thing I notice about Italy (which seems to be the country that you are having most trouble with) is that if they are not dealt with early in the game, they can be a huge help to the Axis powers.

I see a lot of discussions about doing or not doing the Taranto raid. For me it is a must. Otherwise the Italians can get a very comfortable position in the Mediterranean and be a headache for the rest of the game. It happened in the last two games I played.

Specially if the get their hands in Gibraltar and Cairo. Then they effectively block the Allies from getting in the mediterranean and get a lot of IPCs from their national objectives.

What I could not find yet was a solution if I am the Italian player and I get “tarantoed”. It basically keeps me off for the rest of the game.

@cyanheath

Welcome. All depends on what you want in your game. Play ability or more historic.

Yes there is a lack of room on a d6 dice. No room to adjust pieces better. Mostly the Cruiser and Destroyer.

Also you probably should remove your Ad for buoys.

Back to the flying tiger landing in Burma…… just think of it as an American volonteer group (not a Chinese air force) then allowing it to land in British controlled Burma even before UK/US is at war w/Japan makes more sense. The US sent these planes to the port of Rangoon in Burma with American “volunteer” pilots to basically side step neutrality in 1941 (although the game starts w/tiger in 1940, and its in China). This group was based in Burma before Pearl Harbor and did most of its training there. The flying tigers first action took place shortly after Pearl, and their objective at the time was to defend the Burma Road and keep the the supply line open. The tigers were based at both ends of the Burma Road in Rangoon Burma, and Kunming China (northern end of the Burma road). The Tigers weren’t fully relocated to China until after most of Burma (including Rangoon) was lost early in 1942.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Tigers

Allweneedislove is correct.

@Young:

So the way I see it… Japan could move the 2 destroyers during the combat phase as required, fight the American ships with different units, and than move the destroyers back into 25 during the non combat phase after the zone has been cleared. Â

Nope.  Sea (and land) units that move in combat movement and/or participate in combat may not move in noncombat movement.

@gen-manstein thanks for the update. I think it makes sense.

I see that there are a lot of house rules out there that really bring new life to the game, love it.

@tchenao

Gotcha.

Most players consider the game to be quite unbalanced in favor of the Axis. So the two sides will bid (in terms of IPCs) before the game and the lowest bid team will play the Allies. The bid can be used to place additional units before the game starts.

Sea Lion is definitely a much riskier strategy than just going straight for Moscow. Most people only go through with it if London is not well protected after the first round. A failed Sea Lion is pretty much a game ender.