Siberian strategy



  • For those of you that move everything west except a small speedbump, do you find that Japan feels free to move all his Manchurian and even Korean troops south?  Even on a Jdow1, is he able to sweep through China?  (I know someone is going to say that if Japan wants, there’s nothing you can do to prevent him from taking all of China easily, but that’s only if he prioritizes it.  By moving all Siberian troops west, is Japan often able to take China and put pressure on India and defend DEI?)
    Also, in your games does American ever have the chance to take Korea?  If so, wouldn’t you want a few Ruskies to sit down on top of it?

    Usually, leaving six behind as a speed bump is enough for Japan to leave at least 6-7 of their own on the border. Even if a J1 DOW happens. That’s [Insert number that the Japanese leave] not attacking vital Allied Territories(India, Malaya, China, Etc.). Usually Korea is jumped on by the Russians, in my games(Late game). Those other 12 you move away is either going to support China or Moscow, or both. Its based mostly on what is happening during the game.

    Leaving 7-10 might work as bait.  Leaving anything higher than that is just dumb.  How many you leave in Amur is merely a question of which options you want to keep open for round 2.  If you leave any, you’re closing the option of moving those guys west.  If you don’t leave any, you don’t have the option of attacking Manchuria or Korea, or at least putting pressure there to prevent Japanese troops from heading south.

    going to try the 7-10 infantry left in Amur. You’re right, ANYTHING higher is dumb. What Russia wants to do on R2 is its own choice, with the exception of a G1 Barbarossa or it looks like the Axis are going for Crussia.


  • 2017

    @ShadowHAwk:

    If you give each country really realistic number of troops how would the axis even think of wining. Some things are changed for game balance as well as realism, russia wasnt going to attack japan because it didnt feel like it. Us would not go to war over phili or london it would stay in isolation unless japan or germany declared war or attacked them directly. And no sane axis player would ever attack the US, they would take the money island, phili, india, london, middle east, australia and then consider russia. After all was sorted they would maby attack the US.

    I don’t agree with your opinion about what it would take for the US to join the allies in WW2. I believe the US would NOT have stayed out of the war over Philippines or London. At the time, the Philippines was a US territory with lots of US troops there. That’s self-explanatory. Hawaii was no different at the time. Regarding London, the US has a connection with the UK that’s deeper than a traditional ally. I think Germany invading and taking over England would have brought a cry across the US strongly advocating to liberate them. However, if Germany did pull that off, I’m not really sure that the US would have had what it would have taken to do that. The US Army had lots of growing pains when American troops really started fighting a lot in 1943. At that time troops and commanders were all very inexperienced.



  • @Ichabod:

    @ShadowHAwk:

    If you give each country really realistic number of troops how would the axis even think of wining. Some things are changed for game balance as well as realism, russia wasnt going to attack japan because it didnt feel like it. Us would not go to war over phili or london it would stay in isolation unless japan or germany declared war or attacked them directly. And no sane axis player would ever attack the US, they would take the money island, phili, india, london, middle east, australia and then consider russia. After all was sorted they would maby attack the US.

    I don’t agree with your opinion about what it would take for the US to join the allies in WW2. I believe the US would NOT have stayed out of the war over Philippines or London. At the time, the Philippines was a US territory with lots of US troops there. That’s self-explanatory. Hawaii was no different at the time. Regarding London, the US has a connection with the UK that’s deeper than a traditional ally. I think Germany invading and taking over England would have brought a cry across the US strongly advocating to liberate them. However, if Germany did pull that off, I’m not really sure that the US would have had what it would have taken to do that. The US Army had lots of growing pains when American troops really started fighting a lot in 1943. At that time troops and commanders were all very inexperienced.

    Philipines was a own country with some US troops there but not US soil. And even that area japan could just avoid if they wanted to no big deal.
    If UK would have fallen then US would not have any reason nor any means to even go to war in europe. They needed the UK as a staging ground to invade europe.
    Further the US was in a isolationism mode at that time, the public opinion was really let europe fight their own war. Sure they might not have traded with Germany and they would not be friends but the US would not have declared war over the UK. And didnt even have the resources or ability to do so, they didnt do their island hopping campain for the fun of it in the pacific. They did it because they could not get closer to japan any other way.


  • 2020 2018 2017

    If you wanted to re-tweak this, you could just give them the $64 IPCs and let the design the force that is up there.  However, there would be an optimal way to do this, which would be quickly discovered, and it wouldn’t be so much flexible as obvious (eg, buy 5-6 fighters, send em home…)

    The pieces here aren’t a threat because there aren’t any mobile, threat projection units with them.  So, Japan isn’t too scared when you leave them nearby, and they have a diplomacy rule to hide behind (loss of Mongolian help).

    Really, you need to block Japan and slow him down as much as you can, 1 guy 1 territory at a time.  Having those guys head back for Moscow has an additional plus; if most of them survive you have a force waiting in North Central Russia that can counterattack Japan as they try to rip Russias backdoor apart and take all your $$$.

    As you are stating, the fact that the submarine war (and the blitz) appeared to be putting the UK close to the ropes was a MAJOR factor in ending US neutrality.  The US began “neutrality patrols” guarding ships carrying arms as far as they could justify, and right before the war, even attacking german submarines carrying out “legitimate attacks” on UK war shipping.

    German repeatedly protested this “interested neutrality” in both world war 1 and 2.  The US hid behind this to ship arms to multiple belligerent parties, of its choosing and in its own interest, which is about as not-neutral as it gets.  That’s some “Special Relationship” as the british call it.

    As I’ve pointed out before, I believe 1-2 US destroyers were sunk and had begun depth charging german contacts before December 7, 1941, so the German submarine captains already understood that they were standing on the line between war and peace.

    Wikipedia;

    “In the “Greer Incident” on 4 September 1941 the destroyer USS Greer (DD-145) was fired upon with torpedoes by German submarine U-652.”

    “Either the casualties inflicted on USS Kearny by German submarine U-568 on 17 October 1941 (11 KIA)[7] or the sinking of the USS Reuben James by U-552 on 31 October 1941, (115 KIA)[8] might be considered the first American naval losses of World War II. The United States was neither officially involved in the war at the time nor did the incidents cause them to declare war.”



  • The american public and congress did not want to declare war but the president and some staff did.
    Without the attack on pearl and the public cry for revenge i doubt it that the congress would even declare war because the public would not like it at all.

    I always find it funny that Americans judge the japanese attack on pearl as a violation while at the same time they where violating the rules even more.

    But history didnt work out that way, japan did attack the US after being provoked plenty and germany just declared war on the US ( but hitler did more stupid things )


  • 2017 '16

    @ShadowHAwk:

    The american public and congress did not want to declare war but the president and some staff did.
    Without the attack on pearl and the public cry for revenge i doubt it that the congress would even declare war because the public would not like it at all.

    I always find it funny that Americans judge the japanese attack on pearl as a violation while at the same time they where violating the rules even more.

    But history didnt work out that way, japan did attack the US after being provoked plenty and germany just declared war on the US ( but hitler did more stupid things )

    Probably Hitler was hoping that his Japanese allies would do the same against Russia and Stalin.
    He would have needed that oriental soviet troops be stuck with Japan.



  • @Baron:

    @ShadowHAwk:

    The american public and congress did not want to declare war but the president and some staff did.
    Without the attack on pearl and the public cry for revenge i doubt it that the congress would even declare war because the public would not like it at all.

    I always find it funny that Americans judge the japanese attack on pearl as a violation while at the same time they where violating the rules even more.

    But history didnt work out that way, japan did attack the US after being provoked plenty and germany just declared war on the US ( but hitler did more stupid things )

    Probably Hitler was hoping that his Japanese allies would do the same against Russia and Stalin.
    He would have needed that oriental soviet troops be stuck with Japan.

    Yeah, he was hoping that would have happened. If he didn’t declare war on the US, then the War would have been separate still.


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