@superbattleshipyamato Right. alot more complications introduces longer play. More areas means longer play, More units longer play. I wish their was a light 12 page version with only about 6-10 more units, not 60 more. The map would have about 60% less areas and play would take 2-3 hours but still be buckets of dice concept. That would be my wish plus dedicated piece sets or a version that used counters like nova games edition.
Quickie on SBR
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Just a quickie on SBR, since the rules aren’t 100% clear on it.
Lets say there is an SBR attack on Berlin.
Berlin has an AA Gun, a Major Factory, an Airfield, and 5 Fighters.
3 Fights are scrambled against the SBR. 4 Bombers are aiming for the Major Factory.
Does the AA Gun take part - IE gets a shot at each Bomber - or only after the Intercept IF the AA Gun is also being targeted?
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The 3 German fighters scramble against your Bombers first. Fighters attack at 3 Bombers defend at 1.
After you have any bombers left the AA gets a shot at them before you can SBR.Now you can use 1 of your bombers to take out AA gun after Scramble battle.
Say 3 bombers survive. You pick 1 bomber to shot at AA. Bomber rolls a 6. AA gun destroyed. Now the AA can’t shoot at your 2 other bombers. The other 2 bombers do the SBR on Berlin factory then with a roll of 2 D6 die for each bomber.
You should bring escorts with your bombers if you can.
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So the AA Gun gets multiple shots?
1 - After the Fighters get their shots in, the AA Fires at each aircraft.
2 - AA Gun shoots at whichever planes target it? -
1. After Air interception what ever bombers are left, the AA gun gets a shot at each plane.
2. Yes
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Panzer penguin
We had a similar issue. After much discussion and multiple people reading the rules we realized that each bomber can be used for one or the other.
If you have the new rules v1.2 page 47 has a table9-9 and page 46 9.13strategic and 9.14 carpet/ also in original rules on page 40, 9.13 and 9.14 and table 9-9.
This details strategic bombing on either a facility or carpet bombing on units. Bombers must declare one or the other for each bomber in combat move and can’t do both with the same unit.
All or none of the 5 fighters in Berlin can intercept with or without an airbase. Only scramble to a sea zone is limited to 3 or less planes and airbase required. After the interception air battle is finished the anti-aircraft guns fire. Then the bombers if any survive bomb the facility, 2 D6 each bomber total damage is value of all these dice added together but not more than the facilities maximum amount. Or carpet bomb the target units 3 D12 each bomber, 2 or less is a hit and a targeted unit is destroyed. Only aa gun can fire in defense no other unit can reach its target.Since its a stategic bombing on the factory German aa unit is not involved, instead the built-in aa of the factory is. New rules v1.2 page 56 12.2 facilities and page 54 anti-aircraft /Original rules page 47 12.2 facilities and page 45 anti-aircraft.
Note all facilities that can be attacked by bombers have built-in aa. which only fires on strategic bombing of that specific facility not in any other attacks. Only fortifications and coastal guns don’t because they can’t be bombed.
The aa gun piece is only for attacking and defending units in combat or carpet bombing(CB) defense (attack on units by strategic bombers). Either way the aa unit is identical in its ability to fire at aircraft 1 D12 hit at 3 or less per plane with a maximum of 3 targets per aa unit/facility.
Example aa : if you have 4 bombers survive interception the aa can only shoot at 3 of them. But if only 1 bomber survived the interception aa can only roll 1 shot.
However if you split up the targets facility aa fires at bombers attacking it only. And aa gun unit fires at carpet bombing planes only. These are 2 separate attacks in the same land zone.
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I believe his questions were for the 1st edition 39 rules.
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My bad.
I have not played that version.
Ignore my post then.
Sorry if this causes any confusion -
Its all good Rank. :wink:
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